FilthyBeast Posted November 15, 2022 Share Posted November 15, 2022 1 hour ago, cv05 said: Hadn't really being paying attention - but he has 8 sacks this year. Same as Von. Through half a season he has 4 times as much as he accumulated all of last year with us. With the busts we have on the d-line and absolute criminal mismanagement of this roster (Ed Oliver, AJ Epenessa, Boogie Basham, Greg R., $$$$ in Von, numerous free agents) I feel this is a real indictment on our coaching staff and talent evaluation. Especially with glaring holes on the O-line and at WR. The only reason this team is relevant is the lottery ticket we cashed named Josh Allen. I'll admit that I'm very surprised by this as well and you have to wonder if it's a direct indictment on this teams coaching/defensive scheme or simply just luck on a bad team whose at least fighting and trying to be aggressive with what talent they have. Realistically it's somewhere in between because Hughes collective body of work (specifically his last 6 years in Buffalo) suggests this is some sort of anomaly and not really who Hughes is despite all the 'pass rush' win rate metrics we've seen to justify his putrid sack totals in recent years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoshAllin Posted November 15, 2022 Share Posted November 15, 2022 They're 32nd in defense and 1-7-1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cv05 Posted November 15, 2022 Author Share Posted November 15, 2022 55 minutes ago, Turbo44 said: Von has 8 sacks, not the same as Hughes, but who cares about being accurate when starting a ridiculously stupid thread Both Von and Jerry have 8 sacks - I'm not sure I follow 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turbo44 Posted November 15, 2022 Share Posted November 15, 2022 14 minutes ago, TN Bills Fan said: Time to put Oliver in the “fail” category. he's been a bit quiet but saved the game with the sack last week. Fail is a bit harsh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rigotz Posted November 15, 2022 Share Posted November 15, 2022 Interesting take, nestled in truly ridiculous logic. Do you honestly think Jerry Hughes is the same as Von Miller? Jesus man ... take a breather. The Bills are 6-3 and the defense is hovering around #1 in the league. Stop crying. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Logic Posted November 15, 2022 Share Posted November 15, 2022 Von Miller had 8 sacks in 2019 and 9.5 in the whole 2021 regular season on two different teams, in two different schemes. He has 8 so far this season in just 9 games. Do McDermott and Frazier get credit for getting more production out of Von than his three previous coaching staffs, or do they only get the blame when things go wrong? How about Hyde and Poyer being late round, free agent afterthoughts, and now both being All-Pro caliber safeties. Do Beane, McDermott and Frazier get credit for that, or do they only get wrist-slaps and raspberries for their "criminal roster mismanagement" and the aspects of the teams you don't like? My biggest problem with criticizers of Beane and/or McDermott is that they almost always ONLY mention the bad without also mentioning the good. You want to mention the players that Beane let walk that had production elsewhere? Fine, but it's only fair to also mention the players he brought in that had better production for the Bills than their previous teams. You want to blame McDermott and his coaching staff for various players failing to live up to the expectations you have for them? Fine, but it's only fair to also mention the players that they HAVE gotten great production out of and/or coached up into productivity. Be objective and fair, or it's clear that you just have a myopic, one-sided, pessimistic agenda. 1 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cv05 Posted November 15, 2022 Author Share Posted November 15, 2022 46 minutes ago, thenorthremembers said: You didnt answer my question. How often are the Texans blitzing compared to the Bills? You also ignored my point about Jerry not being successful in THE BILLS defense compared to what Von is doing in the same defense. Yes, his stats are better this year. But stats dont always tell the story of what is going on. Bottom line is Von is looking to have 15 sacks this year in the same defense in which Hughes never had more than 7. Please tell me how the coaching is better on the Texans when they are currently ranked 30th in defense in the league, meanwhile the Bills, who you're making such hot takes about are ranked 8th? Sorry man, I love what Jerry Hughes did for this team, but I'd take Von Miller over him any day of the week. I'd also take the Bills coaching staff over the Texans coaching staff 100% of the time. I dont even know how you can make the argument that a coaching staff that is likely going to be on the unemployment line at the end of the year, is getting more from their talent than the Bills staff. And not only did you make it, you're actually defending it. You're grasping at straws here. I think there are too many variables to really say one way or the other. I simply see it as a data point amongst many that McBeane are mismanaging the roster. There are plenty of things not accounted for here by either of us. - Certainly, Jerry has likely been used quite differently in the Texans defense as you point out. Maybe the Bills are wrong in using Jerry the way they did. They clearly weren't maximizing his talents. There's rumors that Jerry and McDermott didn't see eye to eye. Maybe this is part of it. - Maybe McDermott's and Jerry's ego got in the way of the team. Wouldn't be the first time for either of them (Jerry's personal foul calls, McDermott's benching of superior talent to assert himself - see Nathan Peterman) -The fact that the bills are ranked 8th on defense in an embarrassment - we have invested just about every 1st, 2nd and even 3rd round pick on that side of the field. Our D-line should be dominant. - The fact that we have Josh Allen negates any comparison between the Texans and Bills coaching staff. I honestly wouldn't think it would be much worse. The Texans have very little talent after being dismantled by BoB. -I am not saying I would rather have Jerry Hughes over Von Miller. Maybe I'm saying I'd rather have Jerry Hughes and a premier WR2 or G than Von. Or, a couple of 1st rounders on offense instead of 4 on the d-line... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rigotz Posted November 15, 2022 Share Posted November 15, 2022 https://www.pff.com/nfl/grades/position/ed Jerry Hughes is the #54 ranked Defensive End this year according to PFF. 5 spots lower than AJ Epenesa. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cv05 Posted November 15, 2022 Author Share Posted November 15, 2022 8 minutes ago, Rigotz said: Interesting take, nestled in truly ridiculous logic. Do you honestly think Jerry Hughes is the same as Von Miller? Jesus man ... take a breather. The Bills are 6-3 and the defense is hovering around #1 in the league. Stop crying. Of course I don't think that. My point is that McBeane have mismanaged the roster. I would rather have Von than Jerry if the cost was the same. When you factor in the cost, I'd much rather have Jerry on the cheap, and a premier WR2 or G, or, a couple of 1st rounders on offense instead of 4 on the d-line 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kwai San Posted November 15, 2022 Share Posted November 15, 2022 18 minutes ago, cv05 said: - Maybe McDermott's and Jerry's ego got in the way of the team. Wouldn't be the first time for either of them (Jerry's personal foul calls, McDermott's benching of superior talent to assert himself - see Nathan Peterman) Holy Jesus!!! Superior Talent = Nathan Peterpick????? YOU. HAVE. GOT. TO. BE. KIDDING. ME!!!!! You lost what very little bit of credibility you don't have with that statement. Step away from mommy's computer, go back downstairs and hide for 3 more months. HOLY CRAP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted November 15, 2022 Share Posted November 15, 2022 2 hours ago, cv05 said: Hadn't really being paying attention - but he has 8 sacks this year. Same as Von. Through half a season he has 4 times as much as he accumulated all of last year with us. With the busts we have on the d-line and absolute criminal mismanagement of this roster (Ed Oliver, AJ Epenessa, Boogie Basham, Greg R., $$$$ in Von, numerous free agents) I feel this is a real indictment on our coaching staff and talent evaluation. Especially with glaring holes on the O-line and at WR. The only reason this team is relevant is the lottery ticket we cashed named Josh Allen. So the Bills are mismanaging the busts on the D-line? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RyanC883 Posted November 15, 2022 Share Posted November 15, 2022 33 minutes ago, Logic said: Von Miller had 8 sacks in 2019 and 9.5 in the whole 2021 regular season on two different teams, in two different schemes. He has 8 so far this season in just 9 games. Do McDermott and Frazier get credit for getting more production out of Von than his three previous coaching staffs, or do they only get the blame when things go wrong? How about Hyde and Poyer being late round, free agent afterthoughts, and now both being All-Pro caliber safeties. Do Beane, McDermott and Frazier get credit for that, or do they only get wrist-slaps and raspberries for their "criminal roster mismanagement" and the aspects of the teams you don't like? My biggest problem with criticizers of Beane and/or McDermott is that they almost always ONLY mention the bad without also mentioning the good. You want to mention the players that Beane let walk that had production elsewhere? Fine, but it's only fair to also mention the players he brought in that had better production for the Bills than their previous teams. You want to blame McDermott and his coaching staff for various players failing to live up to the expectations you have for them? Fine, but it's only fair to also mention the players that they HAVE gotten great production out of and/or coached up into productivity. Be objective and fair, or it's clear that you just have a myopic, one-sided, pessimistic agenda. they seem to do better with FAs than draft picks for sure. on DL: Groot was a great pick, but Basham and AJ are underwhelming. Oliver looks like an early 2nd rounder. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chandler#81 Posted November 15, 2022 Share Posted November 15, 2022 2 hours ago, cv05 said: Hadn't really being paying attention - but he has 8 sacks this year. Same as Von. Through half a season he has 4 times as much as he accumulated all of last year with us. With the busts we have on the d-line and absolute criminal mismanagement of this roster (Ed Oliver, AJ Epenessa, Boogie Basham, Greg R., $$$$ in Von, numerous free agents) I feel this is a real indictment on our coaching staff and talent evaluation. Especially with glaring holes on the O-line and at WR. The only reason this team is relevant is the lottery ticket we cashed named Josh Allen. 🤦♂️ 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clayboy54 Posted November 15, 2022 Share Posted November 15, 2022 I wish I could be a fan of the Bills without being a part of the "Idiot Mafia." 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cv05 Posted November 15, 2022 Author Share Posted November 15, 2022 20 minutes ago, Kwai San said: Holy Jesus!!! Superior Talent = Nathan Peterpick????? YOU. HAVE. GOT. TO. BE. KIDDING. ME!!!!! You lost what very little bit of credibility you don't have with that statement. Step away from mommy's computer, go back downstairs and hide for 3 more months. HOLY CRAP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! My point was McDermott started Peterman, despite, well, we all know how that turned out... 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kwai San Posted November 15, 2022 Share Posted November 15, 2022 1 minute ago, cv05 said: My point was McDermott started Peterman, despite, well, we all know how that turned out... I totally did not get that as your POINT. Totally did not. per your words "McDermott's benching of superior talent to assert himself - see Nathan Peterman" 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Logic Posted November 15, 2022 Share Posted November 15, 2022 Just to sum up, in case anyone hasn't been reading along the whole way through: Beane and McDermott have been horribly mismanaging the roster that has posted the NFL's best point differential two years in a row and has made the playoffs four out of the last five seasons and sits 6-3 currently. The #2 defense and #3 offense are part and parcel of an overall complete mismanagement of resources by the front office and coaching staff. Additionally, Beane gets blame for letting Jerry Hughes walk and drafting Basham and Epenesa, but he does not get credit for bringing in Von Miller, Micah Hyde and Jordan Poyer, or drafting Tremaine Edmunds, Matt Milano, or acquiring Stefon Diggs. Oh, and Josh Allen was just a lottery pick that happened to hit. Total luck. No credit to Beane for drafting him or McDermott and his staff for fostering an environment in which he could grow into the player he is today. Any good part of our team is dumb luck. Any bad part of our team is evidence of roster mismanagement and general ineptitude. I think that about covers it. 1 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted November 15, 2022 Share Posted November 15, 2022 Jerry was a personal favorite- That said Von is a massive upgrade. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted November 15, 2022 Share Posted November 15, 2022 4 hours ago, Bangarang said: Did you not watch his last few years here? He looked done. The hell do I care that he has 8 sacks on one of the worst teams in the league. He looked “done” the “last few years”. this is such bs. exaggerate more Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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