Would you replace Ken Dorsey with Frank Reich?

[JohnNord]

15 minutes ago, boater said:

We're in third place, just one more loss out of last place. Does last place constitute as a catastrophe? Just asking..

3rd place in Week 10 😂 Last time I checked, the season doesn’t end halfway through. 
Even if they finish in 4th and out of the playoffs (which is unlikely given just about every metric that predicts success in the NFL) McDermott is going nowhere based on the fact that:

 

a. He has a ton of respect at OBD after turning around a loser.

 

b. Because of a.) he has a ton of respect from the Pegulas.

 

c. He’s valued and respect much higher around that the NFL than he is among the Bills fan base looking for scapegoats.

 

You can be a #dreamer all you want.  I’ll be your reality check…it’s not happening!!!  If you want his seat to be warm you need to pray for loses every week until 2024

[SinceThe70s]

 

I love bringing in former head coaches as coordinators when possible. Just not mid-season.

 

 

I don't think this necessarily applies to Reich but some guys do much better as coordinators - Wade Phillips is a prime example. 

[JohnNord]

Just now, SinceThe70s said:

 

I love bringing in former head coaches as coordinators when possible. Just not mid-season.

 

 

I don't think this necessarily applies to Reich but some guys do much better as coordinators - Wade Phillips is a prime example. 

I don’t necessarily think Reich is a bad HC.  He’s had moments of being a great one.  What’s screwed him more than anything is poor QB play, including from the player he wanted to trade for and was convinced he could win with.  
 

Also his coaching tree is off to a pretty good start…

[UKBillFan]

9 minutes ago, JohnNord said:

3rd place in Week 10 😂 Last time I checked, the season doesn’t end halfway through. 
Even if they finish in 4th and out of the playoffs (which is unlikely given just about every metric that predicts success in the NFL) McDermott is going nowhere based on the fact that:

 

a. He has a ton of respect at OBD after turning around a loser.

 

b. Because of a.) he has a ton of respect from the Pegulas.

 

c. He’s valued and respect much higher around that the NFL than he is among the Bills fan base looking for scapegoats.

 

You can be a #dreamer all you want.  I’ll be your reality check…it’s not happening!!!  If you want his seat to be warm you need to pray for loses every week until 2024

If we don’t make the play offs McDermott’s seat will be getting very warm very quickly, unless there’s clear, extenuating, circumstances for missing out.

[boater]

9 minutes ago, JohnNord said:

3rd place in Week 10 😂 Last time I checked, the season doesn’t end halfway through. 
Even if they finish in 4th and out of the playoffs (which is unlikely given just about every metric that predicts success in the NFL) McDermott is going nowhere based on the fact that:

 

a. He has a ton of respect at OBD after turning around a loser.

 

b. Because of a.) he has a ton of respect from the Pegulas.

 

c. He’s valued and respect much higher around that the NFL than he is among the Bills fan base looking for scapegoats.

 

You can be a #dreamer all you want.  I’ll be your reality check…it’s not happening!!!  If you want his seat to be warm you need to pray for loses every week until 2024

Just to be clear: I wasn't calling for McD's head. I just wanted to highlight we're on the precipice of a disaster season.

[T master]

I was a advocate of getting Reich to come home & i think it would be awesome to see him walking the sidelines on the Bills side of the field once again but with that being said i think it's to soon to make a change at the OC !

 

Josh has a relationship with Dorsey they understand each other & how they are wired & that's part of the battle the chemistry between player, coach, & other team mates . 

 

Josh has some new pieces that he has worked with either very little or not at all so they are working on the chemistry part yet there are those here that are placing blame on everything they can grab a hold of .  Beans can't see talent, McD sucks as a coach, the O line sucks, & on & on but with change comes some growing pains. 

 

That's why i would like to see Dorsey stick around for a minute & would love to see him utilize the running game more so to take some of the (i said some) emphasis off of Josh & let Dorsey learn to let the other play makers do more for the offense .  

 

But if by chance it doesn't happen to work out i would love to see Frank back on the side lines as the OC first because he does know the importance of having a good run game and it could be a welcome reunion !! 

[JohnNord]

14 minutes ago, boater said:

Just to be clear: I wasn't calling for McD's head. I just wanted to highlight we're on the precipice of a disaster season.

 

Wow the drama.  People in the #nervosmafia said the same thing last season afte the Bills were 7-6.

 

Do yourself a favor and check the Bills:

 

- Overall DVOA

- Defensive EPA

- Offensive EPA

- Point Differential

Does not exactly seem like a “precipice of disaster.” 

 

[SinceThe70s]

36 minutes ago, JohnNord said:

I don’t necessarily think Reich is a bad HC.  He’s had moments of being a great one.  What’s screwed him more than anything is poor QB play, including from the player he wanted to trade for and was convinced he could win with.  
 

Also his coaching tree is off to a pretty good start…

 

Didn't mean to imply Reich is a bad HC. 

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

Might be worth bringing him in as a consultant to help Dorsey grow.  Nobody has done anything to success they lose their job.

 

hell 3 weeks ago Dorsey was getting stolen as a head coach 

[JohnNord]

26 minutes ago, UKBillFan said:

If we don’t make the play offs McDermott’s seat will be getting very warm very quickly, unless there’s clear, extenuating, circumstances for missing out.

Explain why?  Because I don’t think I’d go that far.  It will definitely raise awareness and he will be under some pressure.
 

For his seat to be warm they need to miss the playoffs and lose every other game this season.  Considering they currently have an 89% chance to make the playoffs, both scenarios are probably unlikely.   

 

People who think otherwise don’t understand the dynamic at OBD or how much power McDermott has.  
 

The only one who could fire McDermott is Terry.  Brandon Beane doesn’t oversee McDermott, can’t fire him, and besides he supports him.  

 

Terry has had a hellish history with coaching hires.  You can argue McDermott is the only successful hire he’s made in the NFL or NFL.  He’s going to give McDermott every benefit of the doubt because he respect and likes him personally and because of what he’s done in the past. 
 

People around here act like it’s “Super Bowl or Bust” for McDermott.  It’s definitely not the case.  

38 minutes ago, T master said:

I was a advocate of getting Reich to come home & i think it would be awesome to see him walking the sidelines on the Bills side of the field once again but with that being said i think it's to soon to make a change at the OC !

 

Josh has a relationship with Dorsey they understand each other & how they are wired & that's part of the battle the chemistry between player, coach, & other team mates . 

 

Josh has some new pieces that he has worked with either very little or not at all so they are working on the chemistry part yet there are those here that are placing blame on everything they can grab a hold of .  Beans can't see talent, McD sucks as a coach, the O line sucks, & on & on but with change comes some growing pains. 

 

That's why i would like to see Dorsey stick around for a minute & would love to see him utilize the running game more so to take some of the (i said some) emphasis off of Josh & let Dorsey learn to let the other play makers do more for the offense .  

 

But if by chance it doesn't happen to work out i would love to see Frank back on the side lines as the OC first because he does know the importance of having a good run game and it could be a welcome reunion !! 

I think there’s a possibility for 2023.  But for that to happen, things would have to really go sideways.  I think that if the Bills can’t protect the ball better on offense, things will improve 

8 minutes ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said:

Might be worth bringing him in as a consultant to help Dorsey grow.  Nobody has done anything to success they lose their job.

 

hell 3 weeks ago Dorsey was getting stolen as a head coach 

it’s a slam dunk on paper but it doesn’t sound like Reich wants to be a consultant and also you risk the feeling of undercutting your OC

[boyst]

in a dream world we offer Reich the chance as a QB coach/offensive passing coordinator/assistant head coach. we tell him if there was ever any movement he is first guy up as a HC or OC and we'd pay him handsomely for that.

 

then if McD fails, Sean Payton as HC, Reich as OC, Bill Walsh as QB coach.

[UKBillFan]

8 minutes ago, JohnNord said:

Explain why?  Because I don’t think I’d go that far.  It will definitely raise awareness and he will be under some pressure.
 

For his seat to be warm they need to miss the playoffs and lose every other game this season.  Considering they currently have an 89% chance to make the playoffs, both scenarios are probably unlikely.   

 

People who think otherwise don’t understand the dynamic at OBD or how much power McDermott has.  
 

The only one who could fire McDermott is Terry.  Brandon Beane doesn’t oversee McDermott, can’t fire him, and besides he supports him.  

 

Terry has had a hellish history with coaching hires.  You can argue McDermott is the only successful hire he’s made in the NFL or NFL.  He’s going to give McDermott every benefit of the doubt because he respect and likes him personally and because of what he’s done in the past. 
 

People around here act like it’s “Super Bowl or Bust” for McDermott.  It’s definitely not the case.  

I think there’s a possibility for 2023.  But for that to happen, things would have to really go sideways.  I think that if the Bills can’t protect the ball better on offense, things will improve 

it’s a slam dunk on paper but it doesn’t sound like Reich wants to be a consultant and also you risk the feeling of undercutting your OC

Considering the amount of money plied onto the team in the off season, and even the Hines trade, the expectation will be to make the post season. If we don’t, the pressure will be on. Terry may not axe McDermott but the scrutiny will be upped again.

[JohnNord]

7 minutes ago, UKBillFan said:

Considering the amount of money plied onto the team in the off season, and even the Hines trade, the expectation will be to make the post season. If we don’t, the pressure will be on. Terry may not axe McDermott but the scrutiny will be upped again.

Scrutiny from the media, sure.  But not from OBD. 

11 minutes ago, boyst said:

in a dream world we offer Reich the chance as a QB coach/offensive passing coordinator/assistant head coach. we tell him if there was ever any movement he is first guy up as a HC or OC and we'd pay him handsomely for that.

 

then if McD fails, Sean Payton as HC, Reich as OC, Bill Walsh as QB coach.

What constitutes “failing?”

Edited November 16, 2022 by JohnNord

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

35 minutes ago, JohnNord said:

Explain why?  Because I don’t think I’d go that far.  It will definitely raise awareness and he will be under some pressure.
 

For his seat to be warm they need to miss the playoffs and lose every other game this season.  Considering they currently have an 89% chance to make the playoffs, both scenarios are probably unlikely.   

 

People who think otherwise don’t understand the dynamic at OBD or how much power McDermott has.  
 

The only one who could fire McDermott is Terry.  Brandon Beane doesn’t oversee McDermott, can’t fire him, and besides he supports him.  

 

Terry has had a hellish history with coaching hires.  You can argue McDermott is the only successful hire he’s made in the NFL or NFL.  He’s going to give McDermott every benefit of the doubt because he respect and likes him personally and because of what he’s done in the past. 
 

People around here act like it’s “Super Bowl or Bust” for McDermott.  It’s definitely not the case.  

I think there’s a possibility for 2023.  But for that to happen, things would have to really go sideways.  I think that if the Bills can’t protect the ball better on offense, things will improve 

it’s a slam dunk on paper but it doesn’t sound like Reich wants to be a consultant and also you risk the feeling of undercutting your OC

its a temporary gig when he’s got nothing to do. He’s not taking Dorsey job. Hell if I were Dorsey I’d go to management and ask for it. 

[boyst]

1 hour ago, JohnNord said:

Scrutiny from the media, sure.  But not from OBD. 

What constitutes “failing?”

Not winning 37 Superbowls.

 

Failing would, at worst 1 and done with piss poor coaching in the playoffs like we saw against KC last year. 

 

Failing at best would be stumbling to the AFC or Super Bowl and unprepared to call a good game and getting exposed so badly in the 2nd half people think we got a pap smear.

[Fan in Chicago]

1 hour ago, JohnNord said:

 

What constitutes “failing?”

Not reaching the Superbowl this year 

[JohnNord]

12 minutes ago, boyst said:

Not winning 37 Superbowls.

 

Failing would, at worst 1 and done with piss poor coaching in the playoffs like we saw against KC last year. 

 

Failing at best would be stumbling to the AFC or Super Bowl and unprepared to call a good game and getting exposed so badly in the 2nd half people think we got a pap smear.

Like many Bills fans, your expectations are out of touch with reality.  
 

 

[Fan in Chicago]

2 hours ago, boyst said:

in a dream world we offer Reich the chance as a QB coach/offensive passing coordinator/assistant head coach. we tell him if there was ever any movement he is first guy up as a HC or OC and we'd pay him handsomely for that.

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The first part is where I am at. But, We shouldn't need to give him any guarantees, especially any that imply elevation to HC. 

[JohnNord]

2 minutes ago, Fan in Chicago said:

Not reaching the Superbowl this year 

That might constitute failure in fans eyes but probably not for an NFL organization and  especially not in Buffalo given the circumstances I’ve already outlined.  

 

  

[dancing_joker]

6 hours ago, ChronicAndKnuckles said:

Payton’s getting a head coaching gig if he decides to come back. 

Of course he is. He’s a super bowl winning head coach. And as each game passes, the more I think he should be our coach. McDermott was a huge upgrade from his predecessor and exactly what we needed then, but we all know who he is by now and his short-comings. Below is Sean Payton’s analysis of the infamous 13 seconds and he’s 100% right. Do you honestly believe anything will be different in the future with the same people making these decisions? People focusing on a rookie OC aren’t seeing the big picture.

 

Situational football: Buffalo up three on Kansas City with 13 seconds left and kicking off

 

“A lot of it depends on my kicker. If I’ve got a young kicker I’m not sure I can trust, I will not squib kick. You can’t risk the kick going out of bounds, or being recovered at the 40. I also don’t like trying a pop-up kick to land at the eight- or 10-yard line. I’m not asking a kicker to use a technique, seldom-used, to place a kick somewhere that might determine whether you go to the championship game. I’m probably just kicking the ball deep into the end zone and giving them the ball at the 25, like Buffalo did. 
 

The crime that is committed comes after that. We are playing football still—you can’t be defending the sidelines at all costs, like Buffalo was. You see when Travis Kelce catches that long pass to put them in field-goal range, a cornerback is defending an area of the field near the sidelines he doesn’t need to defend. Kansas City’s got two timeouts left—they don’t need to get out of bounds. Everything about what Buffalo did defensively is flawed. We would play outside man technique with a three-man rush, funneling balls to the middle of the field and contesting outside technique.”