Would you replace Ken Dorsey with Frank Reich?

[SCBills]

Just now, Nihilarian said:

I'm more concerned about the amount of offense that supposed top Buffalo defense gave up to the Vikings. 481 offensive yards, 24 first downs and a LOOOOONG run by Dalvin Cook for a TD...81 yards!

 

The 4 turnovers killed the team...not the OC!

 

Not concerned about the Defense.  The injuries have been absolutely ridiculous.  No way to prepare for what we've been dealt so far.  Edmunds going down seems like it was the final straw for a Defense that held firm up until that point. 

 

Turnovers are a result of Allen pressing and being hyper aggressive.  He's pressing and over aggressive because the entire Offense is predicated on him and pushing the ball down the field.  We have no running game in short yardage/red zone situations.  We have no creativity in the red zone.  We don't have a jump ball guy to try a fade to.  This can all be fixed, but as of now, it's much deeper than just "stop turning it over".. there are reasons why he's turning it over beyond just recklessness. 

[JohnNord]

15 minutes ago, thenorthremembers said:

No.  Reich is a good coach, but his all time average offense is 15th in yards and 11th in points.  The guy everyone wants to replace is currently 1st in yards and 2nd in points.

 

Nostalgia and hysteria may support the action to remove Dorsey for Reich. Neither,  Logic or statistics back up the move.

Andrew Vorhees OG USC in the 1st.

The one thing to consider though is that he’s had different QB’s in 3 seasons and each only last one season.  It seemed that the offense was moving in the right direction under an aging Phillip Rivers.

 

Of course, he doesn’t get a pass for the Wentz who was his handpicked choice or Matt Ryan who he felt was good enough to win with 

[Alphadawg7]

NO.  end thread/

[NewEra]

9 minutes ago, damj said:

I answered "yes". I would bring him as an offensive assistant this year (assuming he wanted to), then decide next year.

You should answer no…….

 

you don’t want to replace Dorsey with reich….. so, no

[damj]

Just now, NewEra said:

You should answer no…….

 

you don’t want to replace Dorsey with reich….. so, no

[Brianmoorman4jesus]

I’d bring him in now as something. Get him on staff and around the team then kind of have him in the hopper incase this BS continued 

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

34 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

No. Time to draft ALL OFFENSE

 

FTFY

 

[Bangarang]

OC changes like that mid season never work. Nobody fact check me on that either. 
 

Dorsey hasn’t been completely terrible but he also hasn’t been spectacular. I get the sense that McD has grown frustrated by our inability/refusal to run the ball, rely too much on Josh, and fail to execute in second halves. 
 

I give it a 20% chance a change is made at OC in the off-season. If that happens, Reich makes sense but I’d be curious to see who else might be an option. 

Edited November 15, 2022 by Bangarang

[BillsFan4]

No. It’s Way too soon to even be talking about this. It’s not like Dorsey’s offense has been terrible. I mean, just a few weeks ago people were worrying about him getting hired away as a head coach. The Bills offense was near the top of the NFL (they may still be?). The last 2 & 1/2 games have been rough but they’ve still moved the ball and some of that struggle has been Josh Allen making bad decisions/throws.

[Ed_Formerly_of_Roch]

33 minutes ago, dancing_joker said:

I’m far more interested in Sean Payton as HC than Frank Reich as OC

 

Payton had two 3 to 4 year runs where the team did well.  In between they were often a little below .500.  This was also in a division that for most of those years had only one other good team and lost a number of years in playoffs when they were a big favorite.  He also won with a top of the league QB which makes many coaches look good.  Many are saying look what happened to BB once Brady left.  Granted they have the good QB here too, but not sold that Payton is any better.

 

Dorsey is an ex QB who is working with a QB who probably has the strongest arm in the league, and is built like a LB and has speed close to some RB's.  Allen is everything Dorsey wanted to be himself.  QB's like to throw more than run so it's natural for him to spend most of his time scheming up great passing plays and not enough time thinking about the running game.  McD is one his case to run more so he's trying to, but not putting in the time to develop really hard to defend run plays.  So they run into the middle get stopped and then is 2nd and 10 or 11 and now pass.

 

Dorsey has never done anything other than be a QB coach till this year which again lends itself to not having any experience developing a run game.  The one thing I think the Bills could use for lack of a better term is a run game coordinator.  Who would be driving the bus would be interesting in that situation. I'll give Reich the benefit of having experience in a run first offense in Indy. Can't recall when he was OC in both Phil and San Diego if those teams had a big run game too or not?  One thing I will say about Reich, he's had a more varied coaching background, besides QB coach and OC, he even coached the WR one season in Arizona.  Too bad he wasn't also a RB coach!

[st pete gogolak]

I'm disappointed in Dorsey but it's nine games.  Loved Frank Reich as a player but it's absurd to talk about replacing an OC mid-season with someone outside the organization.  Depending on how the rest of the season goes, next year possible but not probable.  What I would really like is to bring someone in who is a running game guru to improve the run game.  I don't think Frank would be remotely interested in something like that, even assuming he fits that bill.

[BeastMaster]

In a heartbeat

 

Frank Reich has been a HC in this league. He's been where Dorsey is at now, and has all the same experience being a QB as well as being an OC.

 

Frank Reich is a win now move. Dorsey is a wildcard that we don't know.

 

This team is in a window of win now

[Robert Paulson]

1 hour ago, JohnNord said:

I saw people clamoring for Frank Reich on Twitter the other day and it made me think of this question.  

 

From what I’ve read Reich is happy to take a break from the NFL and spend time with his family (while collecting Irsay’s money).  His sights are set on choosing his job next season - whether it’s as head coach or OC.  So obviously this is all hypothetical, but a fun topic nonetheless…

 

If it was up to you, would you trade Ken Dorsey for Frank Reich?  On paper it seems like a slam dunk but there are a few things to consider:

 

We’re only 9 games into the Dorsey tenure as OC and I don’t think there’s been enough time to completely assess his job.  He’s had some good moments and bad but he also hasn’t been a complete train wreck that you’d midseason.  Keep in mind he was Daboll’s first choice to call plays, so there’s a chance that he could be a very good OC - we just don’t know yet.  
 

The human dynamic - remember Dorsey was Josh’s first choice to succeed Daboll.  Would replacing Dorsey, somewhat prematurely,  piss off the most important player on the team?  
 

Reich’s offense in Indianapolis - FR has a reputation as a good offensive mind based largely on his work in Philadelphia.  But his offenses in Indianapolis were often inconsistent.  Of course, there are all kinds of reasons for that (QB) but his teams typically had lots of highs and lows in Indy.  
 

The dynamic of Reich returning to Buffalo - Reich is among one of the most memorable and well-loved players in team history . The Pegulas and Sean McDermott always spoke highly of him.  This is a move that fans will definitely get excited about.
 

So if you had to make the call today, what would you do?

i am intrigued about bringing Frank in as another  QB coach or consultant but ?i think he wants to take some time off this year.

[Rc2catch]

We already have a former offensive coordinator helping out in joe Brady. 
Dorsey gets the season. 6-3 teams don’t fire their offensive coordinator

[Freddie's Dead]

You forgot the ***** YES!!! option.

[JohnNord]

1 hour ago, Robert Paulson said:

i am intrigued about bringing Frank in as another  QB coach or consultant but ?i think he wants to take some time off this year.

The problem is, I don’t think he’d be interested in that position.  Unlike some coaches who get fired midseason, he has a good reputation, and will probably have more options for OC at the end of the year - if not as HC.  

[FLFan]

Wow.  Red hot take here.  

[Brianmoorman4jesus]

2 hours ago, Bangarang said:

OC changes like that mid season never work. Nobody fact check me on that either. 
 

Dorsey hasn’t been completely terrible but he also hasn’t been spectacular. I get the sense that McD has grown frustrated by our inability/refusal to run the ball, rely too much on Josh, and fail to execute in second halves. 
 

I give it a 20% chance a change is made at OC in the off-season. If that happens, Reich makes sense but I’d be curious to see who else might be an option. 

I’m pretty sure off the top of my head ravens changed OC mid year and won the super bowl. 

[Scott7975]

Too soon. I dont think Dorsey has done that great of a job lately but that doesnt mean he cant grow into being great.  Lets see how he adjusts and does the rest of the year.

[Buffalo Boy]

2 hours ago, Lost said:

I don't care if he's beloved by Buffalo or not.   He's a middle of the pack coach, something we already have.  If we bring someone else in, they better have a proven pedigree of winning Super Bowls.

Josh McDaniels who is clearly on the hot seat 🤔