KDIGGZ Posted November 10, 2022 Share Posted November 10, 2022 Just now, HappyDays said: I agree that occasionally a small piece of a meteor falls out of the sky and kills a person. I do not agree that we should waste a lot of time and resources on a meteor defense system, or change the way that we walk outside. You have seen that happen? That would be wild. Because I've actually seen voter fraud by an otherwise good person who has probably never purposely broken the law in their life. They really didn't know how serious it was and didn't think it was a big deal at all. Those people didn't want to vote and he sent in for a mail in ballot for them. He thought he was going a good thing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillStime Posted November 10, 2022 Share Posted November 10, 2022 3 minutes ago, BillsFanNC said: I guess you missed the part where I clearly said it's almost impossible to prove. Which of course is the very point and why it's done. Not much chance you'll be caught. The point is to take away the opportunity. Other than legitimate absentee ballots why should mass mail in voting be normalized? Keep pushing the Big Lie... you'll never learn - nor win. Americans are tired of the BS 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brueggs Posted November 10, 2022 Share Posted November 10, 2022 5 minutes ago, ChiGoose said: The government wouldn't cover up voting mistakes. It's why states don't often certify the official election results for weeks (even after the media has called races) . Many states also conduct audits to verify the results before certification. And it's highly unlikely that an attempted coverup would be possible or successful given the strict controls around how elections are conducted. Well, you are far more trusting than I. I do appreciate the response and respect your opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sundancer Posted November 10, 2022 Share Posted November 10, 2022 3 minutes ago, BillsFanNC said: I guess you missed the part where I clearly said it's almost impossible to prove. Which of course is the very point and why it's done. Not much chance you'll be caught. The point is to take away the opportunity. Other than legitimate absentee ballots why should mass mail in voting be normalized? Because it allows people a nice long time to research and decide on all their candidates. Because it's easy. Because people may not be able to control their plans on election day. Oh, and because there's no evidence of widespread fraud. Maybe I said that before. That's some right wing boogeyman under your bed. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFanNC Posted November 10, 2022 Share Posted November 10, 2022 1 minute ago, Sundancer said: Because it allows people a nice long time to research and decide on all their candidates. Because it's easy. Because people may not be able to control their plans on election day. So no good reason. Thanks. 1 minute ago, Sundancer said: Oh, and because there's no evidence of widespread fraud. Maybe I said that before. That's some right wing boogeyman under your bed. Thanks for confirming your hackery. Carry on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sundancer Posted November 10, 2022 Share Posted November 10, 2022 1 minute ago, BillsFanNC said: So no good reason. Thanks. How do you feel about voting within a two week window instead of a specific day? 1 minute ago, BillsFanNC said: Thanks for confirming your hackery. Carry on. 500 voting fraud cases out of 155 million votes cast--in an election with the most investigation into fraud ever. So. Much. Fraud. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KDIGGZ Posted November 10, 2022 Share Posted November 10, 2022 1 minute ago, BillStime said: Keep pushing the Big Lie... you'll never learn - nor win. Americans are tired of the BS I'll gladly respond to those talking points: 1. Good guys with guns is a deterrent to bad guys with guns. Bad guys will always have guns so why can't good guys protect themselves? 2. If they want to be armed then sure. If they are responsible ccw holders outside of school then why can't they in school? 3. Coal, oil, gas is not the future but it's the present and until technology reaches a point you don't need them then why would you limit your options 4. Climate change may not be a hoax but there is not enough evidence to prove it's an immediate threat either 5. Abortion is murder. If you go to an ultrasound and you see a baby in there and you kill it then that's murder no matter how inconvenient that is for you 6. Democrat policy allows for increase in that bad behavior, yes 7. There is a growing contingency that support communism/socialism and try and hide it by calling it democratic socialism 8. Democrats love identity politics. I was raised that all people are humans and skin color does not matter 9. Democrats love spending and printing money for socialist agendas which leads to inflation 10. I don't know the numbers on Democrats that believe in God or not but it seems a large number or atheist 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HappyDays Posted November 10, 2022 Share Posted November 10, 2022 7 minutes ago, BillsFanNC said: It's virtually impossible to prove the fraud. No it isn't. They've tried and tried and tried again and it never comes to fruition. The entire argument of voter fraud happening frequently enough to make a difference is just people like you swearing that it must be happening. That's not a reason to change fundamental democratic processes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SectionC3 Posted November 10, 2022 Share Posted November 10, 2022 2 minutes ago, KDIGGZ said: I'll gladly respond to those talking points: 1. Good guys with guns is a deterrent to bad guys with guns. Bad guys will always have guns so why can't good guys protect themselves? 2. If they want to be armed then sure. If they are responsible ccw holders outside of school then why can't they in school? 3. Coal, oil, gas is not the future but it's the present and until technology reaches a point you don't need them then why would you limit your options 4. Climate change may not be a hoax but there is not enough evidence to prove it's an immediate threat either 5. Abortion is murder. If you go to an ultrasound and you see a baby in there and you kill it then that's murder no matter how inconvenient that is for you 6. Democrat policy allows for increase in that bad behavior, yes 7. There is a growing contingency that support communism/socialism and try and hide it by calling it democratic socialism 8. Democrats love identity politics. I was raised that all people are humans and skin color does not matter 9. Democrats love spending and printing money for socialist agendas which leads to inflation 10. I don't know the numbers on Democrats that believe in God or not but it seems a large number or atheist You’re entitled to all of these views. But they aren’t winning elections. So the R question now is to move to the middle or to double down on this stuff. This was the best environment for Rs in maybe decades and what did they get? Maybe marginal control of the House, a basically deadlocked Senate and, at least where I live, status quo despite scads of money spent on mailers, etc. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warcodered Posted November 10, 2022 Share Posted November 10, 2022 30 minutes ago, SCBills said: It’s evident … the powers that he have moved to DeSantis. Fox has been openly propping up a DeSantis run while suggesting Trump should step aside. Donors are lining up behind DeSantis. Major conservative influencers in social media doing the same. If Trump goes in .. it’s looking like he’s going in with the apparatus behind someone else. Apparently there was a pretty interesting meeting held the night Trump attacked DeSantis .. some notable kingmakers flew into Florida to sit down with DeSantis and his family to gauge if he’s ready for/wants the fight. It might not be a bad idea for him to start that fight sooner than later. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KDIGGZ Posted November 10, 2022 Share Posted November 10, 2022 Just now, HappyDays said: No it isn't. They've tried and tried and tried again and it never comes to fruition. The entire argument of voter fraud happening frequently enough to make a difference is just people like you swearing that it must be happening. That's not a reason to change fundamental democratic processes. You agree there is fraud. We have established that. So I suppose your argument is there is not a lot of fraud, enough to sway an election. I think that is hard to determine and the only fair way to know for sure is make people show ID and vote in person. In the future there will surely be retinol scans or fingerprints but that would be giving a lot of power to the government and I'm not in a hurry to get there. I think showing ID is a good compromise for now 3 minutes ago, SectionC3 said: You’re entitled to all of these views. But they aren’t winning elections. So the R question now is to move to the middle or to double down on this stuff. This was the best environment for Rs in maybe decades and what did they get? Maybe marginal control of the House, a basically deadlocked Senate and, at least where I live, status quo despite scads of money spent on mailers, etc. I'm not an R and have voted D in many elections prior to 2020. I'm about as middle of the road as it gets. I don't care what people do as long as it doesn't impact me. The D's went too far left and it's making me look like an R basically. The balance has shifted too much Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFanNC Posted November 10, 2022 Share Posted November 10, 2022 15 minutes ago, Sundancer said: How do you feel about voting within a two week window instead of a specific day? Better than what we have now in many cases. More for it if it's all in person except for legitimate absentee ballots. 15 minutes ago, Sundancer said: 500 voting fraud cases out of 155 million votes cast--in an election with the most investigation into fraud ever. So. Much. Fraud. You must have missed the second time where I said that fraud, specifically with mail in ballots is nearly impossible to prove. Which again is the whole point of why bad actors want more of it and why people who want honest, transparent elections want less of it. And there were extensive investigations? The most investigations ever? Really? Because I recall the DHS in November 2020, just days aftet the election, telling us that the election was the most secure election in US history. Case closed. Shut up if you dare question it. That was a really quick extensive investigation. Especially for the government. Can you link us to the report that they released showing us how super duper extra secure everything was? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFanNC Posted November 10, 2022 Share Posted November 10, 2022 23 minutes ago, HappyDays said: No it isn't. They've tried and tried and tried again and it never comes to fruition. The entire argument of voter fraud happening frequently enough to make a difference is just people like you swearing that it must be happening. That's not a reason to change fundamental democratic processes. People like me and Jimmy Carter and Barack Obama. Well prior to 2020 anyway, but sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sherpa Posted November 10, 2022 Share Posted November 10, 2022 29 minutes ago, Sundancer said: Oh, and because there's no evidence of widespread fraud. Maybe I said that before. That's some right wing boogeyman under your bed. The lack of evidence of widespread fraud is not a good reason to not tighten up our voting process. Evidence of such fraud can only happen after it occurs, which is something \we don't want to witness, I did this thing as a volunteer for six years, and I know how it works, and it's working pretty well. Still, this isn't the 1950's, and nefarious groups are at work, internally and externally. My point....We need to standardize and secure a system, nationally, which allows qualified voters to vote in their precincts, and eliminate manipulation. Back to scheduled programming. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted November 10, 2022 Share Posted November 10, 2022 The voting system is fine, it works Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFanNC Posted November 10, 2022 Share Posted November 10, 2022 August 2020. An experienced mail in ballot fraudster explains the many ways it can be done. Now imagine the ballot smorgasbord that was available to people and organizations like him in 2020 because covid. Most secure election in US history. Sure and I've got some Nebraska beachfront property to sell you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Frankish Reich Posted November 10, 2022 Share Posted November 10, 2022 36 minutes ago, KDIGGZ said: You agree there is fraud. We have established that. So I suppose your argument is there is not a lot of fraud, enough to sway an election. I think that is hard to determine and the only fair way to know for sure is make people show ID and vote in person. In the future there will surely be retinol scans or fingerprints but that would be giving a lot of power to the government and I'm not in a hurry to get there. I think showing ID is a good compromise for now I'm not an R and have voted D in many elections prior to 2020. I'm about as middle of the road as it gets. I don't care what people do as long as it doesn't impact me. The D's went too far left and it's making me look like an R basically. The balance has shifted too much Your point is well taken. The Democratic Party on the national level today bears little resemblance to the very successful Democratic Party of Bill Clinton. But have you looked at the Republican Party lately? How is the Trump 2016 platform - one that was left standing in 2020, the Party leaders being afraid of publicizing it again - related to, say, the Bush 41 platform? The Reagan platforms? As I mentioned elsewhere, there's just one constant: overturn Roe v. Wade. Everything else is different. Free trade? That's so 1986. Balanced budget? Ditto. And on and on. Third parties always fail in our electoral system. But sometimes you need them to carve out a new space in the center and to start dragging the Republicans AND Democrats back there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted November 10, 2022 Share Posted November 10, 2022 Trump's denial is the Second Big Lie Thought I'd put that here. And that's from NBC's site. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCBills Posted November 10, 2022 Share Posted November 10, 2022 (edited) Betting markets now favor Cortez-Masto over Laxalt. Not going to do anything to quell the side eyes some have when even Jon Ralston, who is an expert level on Nevada politics as it gets, looked at the remaining ballots last night and said it’s a long shot for her to come back and defeat Laxalt. For the record, I don’t believe shady ish goes on to the level to fraudently deny someone an election they otherwise would have won. I do think they invite the attacks and criticism when elections drag on for days/weeks and vote totals are released like molasses. Especially when the vote totals start countering trends. ‘20 made sense as outstanding vote totals were known to be from heavy Dem areas. Nevada and Arizona both have been analyzed via trends and where/when vote remaining is to be counted as the election workers take their time - and have been shown to be likely wins for Laxalt, Lombardo and Lake. Masters more of a long shot. Yet now, out of nowhere, Laxalt flips and Nevada says this likely will go into next week. Ok…. Edited November 10, 2022 by SCBills Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted November 10, 2022 Share Posted November 10, 2022 11 minutes ago, Doc said: Trump's denial is the Second Big Lie Thought I'd put that here. And that's from NBC's site. Liberal media opinion piece? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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