Josh Allen injury update(officially questionable - expected to start per Ian Rappaport)

[Beck Water]

1 minute ago, BillyBilliams said:

 

I mean, the UCL is by the elbow joint.  The only hit I could personally see is something similar that got him hurt in the first place.

 

In Allen's rookie season, the damage was caused by a helmet driving into his elbow.  I think we can safely assume that opposing players will be targeting Allen's elbow on every tackle, trying to worsen the injury and knock him out.

[BillyBilliams]

Just now, Beck Water said:

 

That'd be great, you go visit the Bills locker room and inform Milano's oblique, Poyer's elbow, Tre's ACL, Rousseau's ankle, and Allen's elbow that they all better instantly become "football functional" because Negan says "enough is enough"

 

Let's be real.  Milano and Poyer plays if it's KC.  The coaching staff 100% sat them out because they were confident with a bad QB and no Breece Hall that they'd be fine.

[BuffaloRebound]

2 minutes ago, Beck Water said:

 

That'd be great, you go visit the Bills locker room and inform Milano's oblique, Poyer's elbow, Tre's ACL, Rousseau's ankle, and Allen's elbow that they all better instantly become "football functional" because Negan says "enough is enough"

Mosley’s separated shoulder was ‘football functional’ enough to come back into the game on Sunday.  

Maybe McDermott needs to walk into the training room and do his best General Patton impersonation.  

[Process]

2 of our next 3 games are against NFC opponents.

 

2 of our next 3 games are against bad teams.

 

If sitting him three weeks allows it to fully heal then just do it. I don't think we are good enough to go better than 1-2 with Case Keenum. If we have to go KC in the playoffs, or even go in as a wildcard, than so be it. 

 

[The Firebaugh Kid]

6 minutes ago, Beck Water said:

 

That'd be great, you go visit the Bills locker room and inform Milano's oblique, Poyer's elbow, Tre's ACL, Rousseau's ankle, and Allen's elbow that they all better instantly become "football functional" because Negan says "enough is enough"

All he needs to do is rub his hands together like Miyagi did. All fixed! Go fight. 

[Negan]

6 minutes ago, Beck Water said:

 

That'd be great, you go visit the Bills locker room and inform Milano's oblique, Poyer's elbow, Tre's ACL, Rousseau's ankle, and Allen's elbow that they all better instantly become "football functional" because Negan says "enough is enough"

This isn't the time to be conservative, maybe you can get away with that approach against the Steelers and they hoped they would against the Jets.  But this is a tight race right now, and all hands will need to be on deck so we don't throw away this season.

[Beck Water]

this seems to be a well-written and factual article by new TBN reporter Ryan O'Halloran of TBN.

 

https://buffalonews.com/sports/bills/analysis-what-bills-quarterback-josh-allens-week-of-recovery-could-look-like/article_aa7e23fa-5fbf-11ed-8abd-132b133806e9.html

 

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The organization hasn’t provided a status update, but some crumbs of information were obtained Monday night (ESPN reported the “ulnar collateral ligament and related nerves” evaluation) and Tuesday afternoon (NFL Network said “multiple doctors are giving multiple opinions”).

We shouldn’t expect any significant clarity on Wednesday when the Bills release their first injury report ahead of Sunday’s game against the Minnesota Vikings aside from body part and practice status.

 

McDermott has held the "be vague" and "loose lips sink ships" principles when reporting injuries.  Don't expect that to change.

 

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In 2018, during Allen’s rookie season, he missed four games with a partially torn elbow ligament. Team and player avoided surgery through rest and rehabilitation. Can that provide a road map in this instance if in fact the ligament is sprained?

 

“Yes and no,” Dr. Orr Limpisvasti, an orthopedic surgeon at Cedars-Sinai’s Kerlan-Jobe Institute in Los Angeles, said in a phone interview Tuesday night. “Yes, because for him, he can index how he feels relative to the last injury. But no, because the severity and location of the injury may be different.”

 

He makes the point that with multiple opinions, the diagnosis is often the same, but the treatment plans may differ.

 

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One treatment suggestion could be Allen receiving a platelet-rich plasma (PRP) injection to the elbow. The PRP process uses a patient’s blood and runs it through a centrifuge to concentrate the platelets, which are then injected to the injured tissue.

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A key for a PRP injection, Limpisvasti said, is “you’re usually doing that to have it heal better, not necessarily heal faster.”

 

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If the injury is in fact the UCL (Allen’s second), would Tommy John surgery and a significant period of recovery be inevitable?

“No, absolutely not,” Limpisvasti said.

 

Well, that was definitive.

 

I agree with O'Halloran's opinion here:

 

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The Bills should play the long game, Part 2: In a better-than-expected AFC East (each team has a winning record) and four division games (including three at home) remaining, the Bills, of course, have a sense of urgency. But this team isn’t built to just win now and that starts with the 26-year old Allen. Any immediate decision about his status must account for the next several Novembers, not just this one.

 

Cam Newton and Andrew Luck IMO both had their careers curtailed by a team allowing them to play through injury.  The player wanted to, the teams chose to let them.

[OldTimer1960]

I would not mess around with the franchise’s passing elbow.  Let it heal or you could ruin him long-term.  If he loses arm strength, Allen becomes middling so let it heal right.

 

 

[Brianmoorman4jesus]

28 minutes ago, gridirongold said:

They can beat them with Keenum. At home. Not like it's the Jets defense.

I don’t agree with this. I think we will get absolutely shut down with Keanum

[BuffaloRebound]

1 minute ago, Negan said:

This isn't the time to be conservative, maybe you can get away with that approach against the Steelers and they hoped they would against the Jets.  But this is a tight race right now, and all hands will need to be on deck so we don't throw away this season.

Exactly.  You could argue being conservative with injuries in the Jets game led to this mess because if the game was 10 points at hand like it should’ve been, Josh doesn’t have to be in harm’s way on that last drive.  

But it’s McDermott’s way.  I’m sure all the injuries we’ve suffered this year is making him more conservative with injuries.  He turtles up.  

[ProcessYaDigg]

Just now, Brianmoorman4jesus said:

I don’t agree with this. I think we will get absolutely shut down with Keanum

This is why utilizing the ground game will be so important.  We have the pieces to run the ball.  All Keenum needs to do is manage the game.  

[78thealltimegreat]

If Josh plays I hope they give him a protective sleeve that makes him look like Thanos marketing genius

[clayboy54]

14 minutes ago, Process said:

2 of our next 3 games are against NFC opponents.

 

2 of our next 3 games are against bad teams.

 

If sitting him three weeks allows it to fully heal then just do it. I don't think we are good enough to go better than 1-2 with Case Keenum. If we have to go KC in the playoffs, or even go in as a wildcard, than so be it. 

 

Always remember, it is better for us to lose to NFC teams than win. I read that right here many times over the years.

[HappyDays]

44 minutes ago, Brianmoorman4jesus said:

If there’s no actual risk of getting worse by playing, I’ll take a 65% Allen over 100% Keanum. We need to win these games.

 

There is a risk. If he puts stress on the UCL before it heals properly the injury could linger. Unfortunately the best course of action may be to put him on the shelf for a couple weeks. Even if that costs the #1 seed the most important thing is making it to the playoffs with everyone healthy, especially Josh.

 

Time for this offense to figure out its run and screen game while Superman is sidelined. By the time he comes back maybe we'll have a more productive offense waiting for him.

[Brianmoorman4jesus]

7 minutes ago, ProcessYaDigg said:

This is why utilizing the ground game will be so important.  We have the pieces to run the ball.  All Keenum needs to do is manage the game.  

But you understand we can’t run the ball right? If that was even a possibility then absolutely. We are incapable of running the ball. Even in extremely light boxes from the fear of a rocket arm MVP QB…what’s it going to look like with a noodle arm journeyman back up. People have to kind of start looking at this realistically. Josh Allen and Diggs are the offense.

[HappyDays]

38 minutes ago, Negan said:

Allen is starting Sunday, enough is enough, can't afford to sideline players anymore this season 

 

When you say we can't afford to, you're talking about the #1 seed right? Not the playoffs? We are going to make the playoffs even if Allen misses a game or two. Why risk the rest of Allen's season just to maximize our odds of getting the #1 seed? The #1 seed is the dream, but it isn't the goal.

[Jauronimo]

40 minutes ago, Negan said:

Allen is starting Sunday, enough is enough, can't afford to sideline players anymore this season 

Now more than ever, what we need is hollow tough talk.

[RiotAct]

Just now, HappyDays said:

 

When you say we can't afford to, you're talking about the #1 seed right? Not the playoffs? We are going to make the playoffs even if Allen misses a game or two. Why risk the rest of Allen's season just to maximize our odds of getting the #1 seed? The #1 seed is the dream, but it isn't the goal.

so, at Arrowhead in the playoffs once again it is.

[Jauronimo]

Just now, HappyDays said:

 

When you say we can't afford to, you're talking about the #1 seed right? Not the playoffs? We are going to make the playoffs even if Allen misses a game or two. Why risk the rest of Allen's season just to maximize our odds of getting the #1 seed? The #1 seed is the dream, but it isn't the goal.

This season is all about maintaining a two game lead on the Dolphins and Jets.  That was our goal in March and nothing will change that.  Anything short of maintaining a two game lead on Miami and the Jets will be considered a failure.

[Straight Hucklebuck]

Just now, RiotAct said:

so, at Arrowhead in the playoffs once again it is.

Yup, Chiefs aren’t going to give the Bills a gift #1 seed.