Franco_92 Posted November 9, 2022 Share Posted November 9, 2022 5 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: 1. I read Rapsheet differently. He said "sprain (slight tear)." That is the definition of a grade 2 injury to a ligament. Grade 1 is a sprain. Grade 2 is a sprain and partial tear. Grade 3 is torn ligament. So while this is not the worst case scenario, it also isn't the best case scenario. 2. Yes, surgery is speculation. They could choose just to rest, a partial tear can heal on its own. But when an individual uses that ligament in their everyday life then in my experience (again it is soccer more than football so leg more than knee) they generally go belt and braces and repair surgically. Okay probably was an overstatement. It AT LEAST needs proper rest that it won't get in season and it might need surgery. I just don't see a way we get an uncompromised Josh Allen the rest of the year. Lol, GTFO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hebert19 Posted November 9, 2022 Share Posted November 9, 2022 29 minutes ago, Johnnycage46 said: At first I was like, wow this guy knows a ton about UCL injuries then I saw this online lol: Well I've had one before but yes I looked up microtears. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mannc Posted November 9, 2022 Share Posted November 9, 2022 51 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: I think a torn UCL even a relatively minor tear is likely to affect Josh's play moving forward. And I don't think we can win a Superbowl with a compromised Josh Allen. Maybe I am being too defeatist. But to my mind our Superbowl hopes are basically done. Not saying we won't win another game or anything but he probably needs surgery and rest to be at his best and that is not happening until the offseason That’s what happens when you don’t protect your quarterback. Josh can only survive so long when he’s facing jailbreaks on half of his drop backs. 2 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOUSE Posted November 9, 2022 Share Posted November 9, 2022 We can have nice things Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted November 9, 2022 Share Posted November 9, 2022 Just now, HOUSE said: We can have nice things Lupus still on the table imo 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hebert19 Posted November 9, 2022 Share Posted November 9, 2022 4 minutes ago, Wayne Cubed said: Hard to know really. Like I said, Josh was a different thrower of the ball in 2018 and a different QB in general. I don't recall thinking he was limited throwing, ie couldn't make the throws, back then. Though that's just my memory. All the whispers seem to indicate this is less severe than 2018? Not to mention the poster is talking like Josh is a pitcher and this is a tear based on overuse. Totally different injuries and throwing motion. He will miss 1 game max and play thru it as long as they deal it can't get worse. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Casey D Posted November 9, 2022 Share Posted November 9, 2022 10 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: 1. I read Rapsheet differently. He said "sprain (slight tear)." That is the definition of a grade 2 injury to a ligament. Grade 1 is a sprain. Grade 2 is a sprain and partial tear. Grade 3 is torn ligament. So while this is not the worst case scenario, it also isn't the best case scenario. 2. Yes, surgery is speculation. They could choose just to rest, a partial tear can heal on its own. But when an individual uses that ligament in their everyday life then in my experience (again it is soccer more than football so leg more than knee) they generally go belt and braces and repair surgically. Okay probably was an overstatement. It AT LEAST needs proper rest that it won't get in season and it might need surgery. I just don't see a way we get an uncompromised Josh Allen the rest of the year. If you think Diggs tweeted "rejoice" last night because Josh is done, I've got some swampland to sell you. Diggs and Allen are so tight. Have a little faith. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillMafia716ix Posted November 9, 2022 Share Posted November 9, 2022 I don’t expect Allen to play this week. Let him rest for a week or 2. This is why you signed a Vet back up. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted November 9, 2022 Share Posted November 9, 2022 9 minutes ago, mannc said: That’s what happens when you don’t protect your quarterback. Josh can only survive so long when he’s facing jailbreaks on half of his drop backs. Agree. 6 minutes ago, Casey D said: If you think Diggs tweeted "rejoice" last night because Josh is done, I've got some swampland to sell you. Diggs and Allen are so tight. Have a little faith. I don't think Josh is done. Where did I say that? I think Josh will probably not miss a game. The question is whether it compromises performance. Maybe I am just in a very pessimistic mood but I can't see how it doesn't. 8 minutes ago, Hebert19 said: Not to mention the poster is talking like Josh is a pitcher and this is a tear based on overuse. Totally different injuries and throwing motion. He will miss 1 game max and play thru it as long as they deal it can't get worse. I have not suggested he will miss any games. I worry that it will compromise him from here out though. And I don't think we can win a Superbowl with a compromised Josh Allen. Our offense is too reliant on him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hondo in seattle Posted November 9, 2022 Share Posted November 9, 2022 (edited) 16 minutes ago, mannc said: That’s what happens when you don’t protect your quarterback. Josh can only survive so long when he’s facing jailbreaks on half of his drop backs. Exactly! Beane's done a remarkable job overall building this roster. But I continue to be puzzled why he doesn't get better bodyguards for his MVP. Edited November 9, 2022 by hondo in seattle 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eball Posted November 9, 2022 Share Posted November 9, 2022 6 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: I don't think Josh is done. Where did I say that? I think Josh will probably not miss a game. The question is whether it compromises performance. Maybe I am just in a very pessimistic mood but I can't see how it doesn't. I have not suggested he will miss any games. I worry that it will compromise him from here out though. And I don't think we can win a Superbowl with a compromised Josh Allen. Our offense is too reliant on him. Well, if there is any silver lining to this injury, while it heals it may force Josh to take the “easy stuff” teams are giving him rather than continue to force the ball downfield. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnnycage46 Posted November 9, 2022 Share Posted November 9, 2022 1 minute ago, eball said: Well, if there is any silver lining to this injury, while it heals it may force Josh to take the “easy stuff” teams are giving him rather than continue to force the ball downfield. Unless defenses adjust and take away the short stuff, if they know (again this is an assumption based on injury status) Allen's deeper throws won't have the same velocity or accuracy on them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted November 9, 2022 Share Posted November 9, 2022 1 minute ago, Johnnycage46 said: Unless defenses adjust and take away the short stuff, if they know (again this is an assumption based on injury status) Allen's deeper throws won't have the same velocity or accuracy on them. Well, right after he was hurt, he did throw a ball 70 yards in the air that hit Gabe Davis in the hands. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg S Posted November 9, 2022 Share Posted November 9, 2022 6 minutes ago, BillMafia716ix said: I don’t expect Allen to play this week. Let him rest for a week or 2. This is why you signed a Vet back up. I think this is what will happen also. Keenum can win games. The Bills really need the OL and Singletary to step up to help out Case and the passing game. I still think the Bills win this week. The entire teams knows it will have to step up. Run the ball effectively, use play action with the short passing game with a few deep shots thrown in. The defense needs to regain its early season form. The Vikings are good, but I still think that 7-1 record is a paper tiger. Except for the fish they really haven't beaten anyone. Buffalo can claim wins at LAR, BAL, KC with a home win over TEN. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnnycage46 Posted November 9, 2022 Share Posted November 9, 2022 Just now, Gugny said: Well, right after he was hurt, he did throw a ball 70 yards in the air that hit Gabe Davis in the hands. Yeah true. I would imagine there is more tenderness and swelling now though compared to 5 minutes after the injury. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted November 9, 2022 Share Posted November 9, 2022 I predict the team will let his status play out until game time or at least Friday. They will want the Vikes to have to prepare for two stylistically different QBs. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RiotAct Posted November 9, 2022 Share Posted November 9, 2022 46 minutes ago, RobbRiddick said: This is still very vague. We need something definitive. Right now I don't know whether to piss my pants or praise God as Diggs tweeted last night, “Rejoice”! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted November 9, 2022 Share Posted November 9, 2022 1 minute ago, Johnnycage46 said: Yeah true. I would imagine there is more tenderness and swelling now though compared to 5 minutes after the injury. I’m hoping they can shoot him up with some cortisone or something, but I’m no doctor (one of very few non-doctors on TBD), so I’m not even sure that would help. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnnycage46 Posted November 9, 2022 Share Posted November 9, 2022 1 minute ago, YoloinOhio said: I predict the team will let his status play out until game time or at least Friday. They will want the Vikes to have to prepare for two stylistically different QBs. My worry is that McD will slow play this like he does with all injuries, even if the rest is not completely necessary. Now I'm not trying to say there is evidence that McD has held players out that were completely healthy, but I've seen comments from some players this year that if the game they were sitting was the playoffs they would be playing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted November 9, 2022 Share Posted November 9, 2022 It does show for all the talking that people did about the Bills fantastic training programme and facilities and the correlation to their injury record the past couple of seasons the reality is that even if you are leading edge sports science wise etc there is always an element of luck involved in staying relatively injury free. This year the bug has bitten the Bills well and truly. So frustrating because I think fully healthy this is the best team in football. 2 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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