Is There So Little Love for Tremaine Edmunds?

[HappyDays]

Last night is not a good game to judge Edmunds on. We drafted him to cover a wide range in the middle of the field, not thump RBs that make it to the second level. In a perfect world you'd like a MLB that can do both, but if you're only going to get one take the pass coverage every time. Edmunds has fulfilled that role well this year. I'm not going to get on his case in a game where we happily conceded 5 YPC because we knew every run was increasing our win probability, and I say that as someone that has been critical of him over the past couple years.

[Thurman#1]

2 hours ago, Nextmanup said:

Will be very surprised if he's still here next year; he shouldn't be.

 

 

 

 

Yeah, his price may indeed have become too high. Hopefully he gives us a hometown discount the way Milano did. I'm guessing he does, but no way to be sure, of course.

[Billsforumsucks]

Did he get credit for a tackle on the whiff to push the RB out of bounds and then the RB went another 8 yards and stepped out? I cannot remember a single play he actually made last night. I can remember at least 15 times he could not read the run and watched the RB go by and is just standing there confused.

 

Milano ran side to side and drilled the RB for no gain, THAT ply I remember and the INT.

 

Edmunds needs to tackle low on RB, he is too small to tackle by the shoulders and he cannot hit.

 

He has played great this year until last night, last night looked like a different player out there.

[LABILLBACKER]

13 minutes ago, Thurman#1 said:

 

 

Yeah, his price may indeed have become too high. Hopefully he gives us a hometown discount the way Milano did. I'm guessing he does, but no way to be sure, of course.

He's not coming down from 14 to 10M.  I think he's gone.

[Thurman#1]

13 minutes ago, LABILLBACKER said:

He's not coming down from 14 to 10M.  I think he's gone.

 

$14 to $10M not happening? Yeah, I think you're right about that.

 

But if he comes down to probably $13M or $14M, somewhere in that area, the Bills would likely be thrilled and would do their best to grab him. If he insists on market value of probably $16 - $18M, he'll almost certainly be gone.

 

 

Edited November 1, 2022 by Thurman#1

[Rocky Landing]

I know I'm in the minority, but I'll be happy when the Bills extend him-- and I believe they will.

[LeGOATski]

Green Bay's 1st drive out of the half provided a great look at both LBs struggling in the run game. 

 

30+ yard run to Aaron Jones where Edmunds got blocked up.

 

20+ yard run to AJ Dillon where Milano over-pursued and totally missed his gap.

 

The difference is you'll see a ton of complaining about Edmunds on that play and nothing about Milano on the next play. Edmunds will likely get paid by the Bills. They drafted him in the first right after Josh. If they needed to replace his skill set, they'd have to spend another 1st. They're all about drafting and retaining. That's not going to change in the case of their star LB. They'll make room and keep both these LBs together.

[Gugny]

3 hours ago, Virgil said:

You forgot the 5 yard piggy back ride he gave the Packers player 

 

I like piggy back rides, Virg.

 

 

[Rock-A-Bye Beasley]

Give Milano an extension and try to tag and trade Edmunds. 
 

a first round off ball lb needs to be good against the run and pass if he’s going to get a big second contract. Edmunds is so obviously bad against the run. I can think of 5 plays off the top of my head where he was horrible on Sunday night. 
 

If you want to say he’s good in the passing game that’s fine. But you can get a specialist in the later rounds. 1st round and big extensions are for complete players. 

[GunnerBill]

I think Edmunds has had a terrific season so far. I didn't think Sunday Night was his best game.... but that is probably inevitable in that type of contest. 

[Rock-A-Bye Beasley]

3 hours ago, LeGOATski said:

Green Bay's 1st drive out of the half provided a great look at both LBs struggling in the run game. 

 

30+ yard run to Aaron Jones where Edmunds got blocked up.

 

20+ yard run to AJ Dillon where Milano over-pursued and totally missed his gap.

 

The difference is you'll see a ton of complaining about Edmunds on that play and nothing about Milano on the next play. Edmunds will likely get paid by the Bills. They drafted him in the first right after Josh. If they needed to replace his skill set, they'd have to spend another 1st. They're all about drafting and retaining. That's not going to change in the case of their star LB. They'll make room and keep both these LBs together.

milano was the best player on the field Sunday night. Edmunds was the worst. 

Edited November 1, 2022 by Rock-A-Bye Beasley

[Thurman#1]

1 hour ago, Rock-A-Bye Beasley said:

milano was the best player on the field Sunday night. Edmunds was the worst. 

 

3 hours ago, Rock-A-Bye Beasley said:

Give Milano an extension and try to tag and trade Edmunds. 
 

a first round off ball lb needs to be good against the run and pass if he’s going to get a big second contract. Edmunds is so obviously bad against the run. I can think of 5 plays off the top of my head where he was horrible on Sunday night. 
 

If you want to say he’s good in the passing game that’s fine. But you can get a specialist in the later rounds. 1st round and big extensions are for complete players. 

 

 

Oh, please.

 

Again, the Bills were averaging six-man boxes. That means the Pack averaged a man advantage on those plays. Blaming their run problems on Edmunds is nonsense. They were thrilled when the Pack ran, kept the clock moving and took the ball out of Rodgers' hands.

 

 

[Ethan in Cleveland]

5 hours ago, LeGOATski said:

Green Bay's 1st drive out of the half provided a great look at both LBs struggling in the run game. 

 

30+ yard run to Aaron Jones where Edmunds got blocked up.

 

20+ yard run to AJ Dillon where Milano over-pursued and totally missed his gap.

 

The difference is you'll see a ton of complaining about Edmunds on that play and nothing about Milano on the next play. Edmunds will likely get paid by the Bills. They drafted him in the first right after Josh. If they needed to replace his skill set, they'd have to spend another 1st. They're all about drafting and retaining. That's not going to change in the case of their star LB. They'll make room and keep both these LBs together.

Nobody expects Edmunds to be perfect. Milano made plays later in the game. Edmunds did not.

Those of us who are Edmunds skeptics have praised his play up until GB. 

Why can't the Edmunds apologists criticize him when he plays poorly?

[machine gun kelly]

This is what they want him to do.  I value Edmunds, but not sure they are going to pay him what he can earn elsewhere.

 

So Rockpile, I agree with you I see his role.  He’s even making some of the splash plays we’ve been hoping for the last couple of years.

[EmotionallyUnstable]

Beane has some very tricky salary cap work to do next off season as they build for the future. There are a ton of guys that are due, some big, some immediate, some role players. I think their success as a team will largely have an effect on what happens for many of these guys. Not for Edmunds. 
 

As much as this fan base (myself included) get frustrated by the style of play that @Shaw66 illudes to, Edmunds is their guy. Like Beane has said time and time again. They draft, develop and retain their own. 
 

I have no clue about the money, and with big names like Poyer, Eddy O, Gabe Davis and Singletary needing need deals either this year or next, plus other part time guys like Phillips, Lawson, and Quessenbury, it becomes tricky to keep all the pieces. 

 

Make no mistake about it though. He is a pillar of this team and defense, they will do everything they can to keep him here and maintain their defensive prowess with him roaming in the middle. It just means some of those priority role players walk. 

Edited November 1, 2022 by EmotionallyUnstable

[Thurman#1]

39 minutes ago, Ethan in Cleveland said:

Nobody expects Edmunds to be perfect. Milano made plays later in the game. Edmunds did not.

Those of us who are Edmunds skeptics have praised his play up until GB. 

Why can't the Edmunds apologists criticize him when he plays poorly?

 

 

Because there's not that much evidence yet that he did. The same people who generally see him doing badly see it this time too. That's more about confirmation bias than anything else. When and if more neutral folks come in with the same opinion, particualarly after a deep dive after the All-22 comes out, I'll start to believe it.

 

As for not making plays in the second half, I just quick watched the third quarter and one play beyond. Edmunds had five tackles including one really nice one where he held the edge against an OL, forced the back inside, threw off the OL and made the tackle. One missed tackle on a swing pass that I didn't like, but he played just fine, it looked like to me.

 

It was interesting, they seemed to be playing him a step or two deeper than usual. That would tie in with a deeper focus on defending the pass and not worrying if they ran.

 

 

Edited November 1, 2022 by Thurman#1

[babulator]

I think people see the measurables and have very high expectations of him, and then you watch the tape and see him regularly whiff or make the wrong read, or be unable to shed blockers and disappointment sets in. Compared to what we want him to be, i'd say his instincts are not what we hoped for. Not that he' a bad player, or that he's not doing exactly what he's asked to do but we want him to be elite, and I'm not sure he'll ever be THAT guy.

[Mr. WEO]

“Couldn’t find” a single Edmunds thread??

 

this is a joke right?

[HOUSE]

He could be gone by 4pm today, I wish him well ....

 

 

 

[NoSaint]

8 hours ago, Rc2catch said:

Roquan Smith had a terrible day against pollard and Dallas. 
Devin white had a horrible game against Baltimore 

Bobby Wagner got gashed run and pass in San Fran. 
It happens. 
As mentioned earlier the D line didn’t exactly do their jobs either. 

 

to be fair I think the d line was still being told to get up field o effect potential passing, even if it allowed the backs to get to the second level more often. 
 

the whole second half was don’t let Rodgers get comfortable even if it costs us a yard or two on the ground