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How did Allen not dominate in college?


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1 - seriously? Obviously the talent level he played with is different in Buffalo but the defensive talent level he plays against is better too. As someone who was skeptical of the pick, the idea that the guy who wasn’t that good in the MWC becoming a better player in the nfl melted my brain.

 

2 - can you think of a player that improved this much from college to the nfl? Brady seems obvious but he actually was better in college than people remember. 
 

 

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10 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

1 - seriously? Obviously the talent level he played with is different in Buffalo but the defensive talent level he plays against is better too. As someone who was skeptical of the pick, the idea that the guy who wasn’t that good in the MWC becoming a better player in the nfl melted my brain.

 

2 - can you think of a player that improved this much from college to the nfl? Brady seems obvious but he actually was better in college than people remember. 
 

 

 

Maturity.

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Maturity, time and resources. 

 

Cupcake classes or not, he's still in school, taking classes, etc. He can't dedicate 365, 24/7 to his craft in that environment. 

 

And then compare Wyoming's coaching and resources to that of an NFL team (especially one such as the Bills, run by McBeane, which has proven to be one of the best in the league).

 

Add in the money to pay Jordan Palmer, the pure dedication to improve and the time to do so...boom.

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He had the talent, but not the network of help/coaching to control/tune  his output in an efficient fashion, during those years, Josh was basically winging it during those years, but as the saying goes, alls well that ends well, 

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9 minutes ago, dollars 2 donuts said:

He had accuracy issues.

 

Please don't underestimate the importance of completion percentage at all levels. 

 

It matters.  

 

No, he had issues with his mechanics. Namely, he didn't have any. 

 

In reality, the man made throws in WY that many pro-bowl qbs in NFL history would never be able to make. 

 

Meaning, sometimes he made deadly accurate throws at an elite level. Those are the throws that people with accuracy issues never make. He was guilty of missing easy lay ups because he didn't have any kind of coaching to teach him how to be consistent with his mechanics.

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Allen in college had to get by on his athleticism and pure natural ability because he didn't receive particularly great coaching to work on his fine skills. Add to that a lack of talent around him and it's why so many doubted he'd be any good. Kiper for all his faults had it right when he said they were appalling when he was out injured and looked so much better when he came back. 

 

But it's not only the improved coaching he's had in the NFL,  he's also insanely competitive and driven to become better. A lot of guys don't have that will to continually fine tune their skill sets, but even after the last two seasons Allen has carried on improving things like taking what the defense gives him and playing that death by a thousand paper cuts that Brady always did so well

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Allen was a late bloomer physically and while in high school did not focus on football. He also had some injuries in college that limited playing time. 

 

Comparable: Carson Wentz is the best I can come up with off the top of my head, but only if we're looking at 2016-2019. Wentz play fell off a cliff starting in 2020

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2 minutes ago, Bandito said:

And we can flip this topic around. How did so many players dominate in college then stink it up in the pros. Would be an interesting discussion.

 

How is that more interesting? The competition in the pros is better so it's not surprising that many players are never as good or dominate at the pro level.

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1 minute ago, Motorin' said:

 

No, he had issues with his me mechanics. Namely, he didn't have any. 

 

In reality, the man made throws in WY that many pro-bowl qbs in NFL history would never be able to make. 

 

Meaning, sometimes he made deadly accurate throws at an elite level. Those are the throws that people with accuracy issues never make. He was guilty of missing easy lay ups because he didn't have any kind of coaching to teach him how to be consistent with his mechanics.

 

 

Please turn your sarcasm detector on.

 

 

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He got better. People forget while we saw glimpse of greatness in year 1 and 2 he is one of the few quarterbacks to make such a great leap in year 3. He is better in almost every way compared to year 1 and 2. 

I used to compare him to Cam Newton because of the size, the arm, and the running ability.  Now I think the best comparison is Brett Favre. Josh is a gunslinger and will probably throw a few more INTs than we would like but he will make up for it with clutch performances. 

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