US Egg Posted September 30, 2022 Share Posted September 30, 2022 Lamar Jackson, the 2019 MVP, should not be in the 2022 MVP conversation after 3 games but Josh Allen should? …..is this part of the concussion fallout thread? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsbackto81 Posted September 30, 2022 Share Posted September 30, 2022 Lamar is right there but I'd still give the slight edge to Josh. Josh has a much better team around him. Lamar's RB's and WR's are meh and their D is bad. By that metric you can easily make the case for Lamar as more valuable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uninja Posted September 30, 2022 Share Posted September 30, 2022 Say what you will about him he’s out there turning lemons into lemonade with that team. Guy can ball. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob in STL Posted September 30, 2022 Share Posted September 30, 2022 MVP talk in week 3 is kind of crazy. Play the games and see what happens first. Part of these awards are political anyway. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patrick Duffy Posted September 30, 2022 Share Posted September 30, 2022 In a few weeks it will be Pat. M, then after that back to Rodgers. The MVP talk will change from player to player as the season goes forward Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bills2022 Posted September 30, 2022 Share Posted September 30, 2022 Lamar didn't show up in the 4th quarter of the Dolphins game. If he had, Miami would never have gotten the ball back over and over and he might be in the MVP discussion. There is a love affair with Lamar and certain members of the media. The reality is that the MVP right now is 1) Jalen Hurts 2) Josh Allen. The rest are really not in the discussion. Hurts and Allen have the passing stats, the rushing stats and the quality wins. Lamar has the rushing stats. That is it. He is not even top 15 in passing and he does not have a single win over a good team. Jalen Hurts is the MVP right now. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted September 30, 2022 Share Posted September 30, 2022 I see this is going well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bills2022 Posted September 30, 2022 Share Posted September 30, 2022 14 minutes ago, I am the egg man said: Lamar Jackson, the 2019 MVP, should not be in the 2022 MVP conversation after 3 games but Josh Allen should? …..is this part of the concussion fallout thread? Why would Lamar be in the MVP discussion? Hurts and Allen dwarf him in terms of accomplishments. Lamar is not even close. That could change after this week, but right now Lamar is not even in the discussion except with talking heads on tv. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigDingus Posted October 1, 2022 Share Posted October 1, 2022 6 hours ago, Billsfan1972 said: Know this is a day or two old, but makes me see red http://www.espn.com/video/clip/clip?id=34683404 https://www.espn.com/video/clip/_/id/34690041 Maybe I'm unfair when talking about Lamar and see Josh Allen with Rose Coloured Glasses, but to me right now it isn't close as to which QB I'd want. If I were you, I'd hope 99% of these "talking heads" are right, as they also likely predicted Bills winning the Super Bowl. If Lamar wins MVP & Bills win the Super Bowl, I'll take that 10 times out of 10. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickelCity Posted October 1, 2022 Share Posted October 1, 2022 I just care about the Bills winning the Super Bowl. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeGOATski Posted October 1, 2022 Share Posted October 1, 2022 Lamar accounts for 86% of the Ravens offensive production. Josh accounts for 83% of the Bills. I believe those are tops in the NFL, can't confirm though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted October 1, 2022 Share Posted October 1, 2022 11 hours ago, eball said: Lamar is playing out of his mind. He deserves the talk. As does Josh. Agree. Lamar has been excellent. I think Bills fans have a real bee in their bonnet about Lamar. It seems to trigger them. I think that is because they have been writing him off for 2 and a bit years since his MVP season and he keeps playing well. Of course I wouldn't swap Allen for Jackson. But newsflash.... other teama have good QBs as well. It is as if certain Bills fans have to believe every other QB sucks for Josh to be great. Which is crazy. Josh's ability is independent of anything else and he shows it almost every Sunday. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UKBillFan Posted October 1, 2022 Share Posted October 1, 2022 1 hour ago, GunnerBill said: Agree. Lamar has been excellent. I think Bills fans have a real bee in their bonnet about Lamar. It seems to trigger them. I think that is because they have been writing him off for 2 and a bit years since his MVP season and he keeps playing well. Of course I wouldn't swap Allen for Jackson. But newsflash.... other teama have good QBs as well. It is as if certain Bills fans have to believe every other QB sucks for Josh to be great. Which is crazy. Josh's ability is independent of anything else and he shows it almost every Sunday. I think it’s also because there’s an element of a victim complex from Bills fans towards the media over Josh. That every error and mistake he makes is magnified whilst it’s overlooked with other quarterbacks. Whether that’s fair or not is up to debate, but I think that’s why there is an attempt to criticise, in some cases overly, other quarterbacks who are doing well - because there’s a feeling they’re waiting to come down heavily on Josh but not many others. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaBillsFanSince1973 Posted October 1, 2022 Share Posted October 1, 2022 mvp chatter 4 weeks in. meh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
White Linen Posted October 1, 2022 Share Posted October 1, 2022 14 hours ago, SF Bills Fan said: I could care less abut Josh for MVP talk and I bet Josh Allen could care less too. The only thing that matter is the Ws and the trophy. It's couldn't care less. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billsfan1972 Posted October 1, 2022 Author Share Posted October 1, 2022 Just posting something I read and yes there is victimhood when it comes to Josh Allen. And isn't there a mvp thread elsewhere here? I just thought how quickly the narrative changed was a little bit surprising. I don't worry at all about the mvp just about Josh Allen being the best player in the league. And yes watching these makes Sunday's game just a little more "personal". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted October 1, 2022 Share Posted October 1, 2022 15 hours ago, Billsfan1972 said: Know this is a day or two old, but makes me see red http://www.espn.com/video/clip/clip?id=34683404 https://www.espn.com/video/clip/_/id/34690041 Maybe I'm unfair when talking about Lamar and see Josh Allen with Rose Coloured Glasses, but to me right now it isn't close as to which QB I'd want. This is one of those weird, insecure, old-Bills posts that I thought we were beyond? It was the same with Mahomes in the past. It is okay for multiple people to be phenomenal. Lamar being good doesn’t mean that Josh is bad. We don’t need to downplay his historical accomplishments to prop up Allen. His play speaks for itself. These guys are both elite players and we all should appreciate watching them play the game that we all love. 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teef Posted October 1, 2022 Share Posted October 1, 2022 Meh. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
White Linen Posted October 1, 2022 Share Posted October 1, 2022 2 hours ago, GunnerBill said: Agree. Lamar has been excellent. I think Bills fans have a real bee in their bonnet about Lamar. It seems to trigger them. I think that is because they have been writing him off for 2 and a bit years since his MVP season and he keeps playing well. Of course I wouldn't swap Allen for Jackson. But newsflash.... other teama have good QBs as well. It is as if certain Bills fans have to believe every other QB sucks for Josh to be great. Which is crazy. Josh's ability is independent of anything else and he shows it almost every Sunday. Nah, Bills fans like and have liked other QB's for a long time. I think it's pretty simple. Lamar was given the benefit of the doubt when he wasn't passing well by the media and Josh wasn't. Not by all, Josh had some believers, but no where near the love affair of Lamar. It's because of that, that Bills fans are soured on the guy. Not all, not all, not all but most. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCofNC Posted October 1, 2022 Share Posted October 1, 2022 Thus far, Lamar is the MVP, he’s done it all. The guy is playing lights out. Josh is on his heals, overall IT’S 3 GAMES IN TO THE SEASON, chill. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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