Buffalo_Stampede Posted October 3, 2022 Share Posted October 3, 2022 2 minutes ago, Simon said: This is complete and utter 100% bunk Fake Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted October 3, 2022 Share Posted October 3, 2022 2 minutes ago, T master said: Thank you so very much i never did like or understand the pick sure he was good in college but this is the NFL & i have always thought that if you are going to draft a RB that is the supposed power or short yardage back he needs to be bigger say like a AJ Dillon he was one i thought they should have drafted that year . The only spot that Beane has struggled at is RB IMHO i like Motor but that don't seem to want to use him enough to get into a rhythm & i think he has shown when used he can be a good contributor to their offense but Moss they should trade him to another team he's never impressed me sorry . He's good for 1 good play a game & he's done !! I'd say its a symptom of our issues along the interior offensive line. Saffold hasn't been good. Morse isn't a good run blocker. Bates hasn't been good, and isn't a good run blocker. Inside zone is not hard to do out of any formation for a back - its either follow, cut, bounce. That is it. I'm not seeing the backs doing the wrong thing here. I'm seeing them never even get to plant their foot in the grass to make a decision. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CircleTheWagons99 Posted October 3, 2022 Share Posted October 3, 2022 it just seems that every time he comes in and runs for 1 yard it sucks the air out of the offense. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Breakout Squad Posted October 3, 2022 Share Posted October 3, 2022 1 hour ago, Simon said: Zack Moss is averaging 5.3 yrds a carry and picks up a first down on about 1 out of 3 carries. Singletary is averaging 3.8 yrds a carry and picks up a first down on about 1 out of 6 carries. That 5.3 is because he had a long run. He doesn’t really average that much. That’s cherry picking stats Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon Posted October 3, 2022 Share Posted October 3, 2022 Just now, Breakout Squad said: That 5.3 is because he had a long run. He doesn’t really average that much. That’s cherry picking stats Removing one of his carries to create the result you want would be cherry-picking stats. That just basic straightforwards unaltered averages. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Breakout Squad Posted October 3, 2022 Share Posted October 3, 2022 7 minutes ago, Simon said: Removing one of his carries to create the result you want would be cherry-picking stats. That just basic straightforwards unaltered averages. Yeah but you’re implying Moss has a better average when everyone knows it was 1 long run. Maybe cherry picking isn’t the right term… I find it intentionally misleading 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon Posted October 3, 2022 Share Posted October 3, 2022 Just now, Breakout Squad said: Yeah but you’re implying Moss has a better average when everyone knows it was 1 long run. Maybe cherry picking isn’t the right term… I find it intentionally misleading I'm not implying anything; he does have a better average. I'm not saying he's a better back, but all this ragging on him and the utterly ridiculous calls to cut him when he's meeting multiple defenders in the backfield on the majority of his carrers is way out of line, imo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
extrahammer Posted October 4, 2022 Author Share Posted October 4, 2022 16 hours ago, Simon said: I'm not implying anything; he does have a better average. I'm not saying he's a better back, but all this ragging on him and the utterly ridiculous calls to cut him when he's meeting multiple defenders in the backfield on the majority of his carrers is way out of line, imo. By comparison, if you chose a lesser, similar amount of carries from Singletary to Moss, Singletary's numbers are much better too. In the end, it's clear a decent amount of people still believe in Moss. But I think his role and skillset don't make sense. To me it seems like he filled that role because it's all we had, not really earned. His last performance is more consistent with his career production. If you gave him the same amount of carries that game as Singletary, he still gets less than 2/3rd's of what Singletary got. Besides a 30 yard run over 3 years, I haven't seen any real potential in him or any staple run that he's earned the role of our between the tackles RB. The difference is Singletary shows more with less than Moss does, to me at least. I haven't said to cut him yet, but I do think the fact he's making more this season than Gilliam (who I believe could be that role), Gabe Davis, and Shaq Lawson, it does make me consider that, but I just don't think it makes us stronger unless we're making a FA move with the new cap space. And $1.2 million isn't a ton in cap space. So to me it sort of is an "it is what it is" type thing for now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted October 4, 2022 Share Posted October 4, 2022 1 minute ago, extrahammer said: By comparison, if you chose a lesser, similar amount of carries from Singletary to Moss, Singletary's numbers are much better too. In the end, it's clear a decent amount of people still believe in Moss. But I think his role and skillset don't make sense. To me it seems like he filled that role because it's all we had, not really earned. His last performance is more consistent with his career production. If you gave him the same amount of carries that game as Singletary, he still gets less than 2/3rd's of what Singletary got. Besides a 30 yard run over 3 years, I haven't seen any real potential in him or any staple run that he's earned the role of our between the tackles RB. The difference is Singletary shows more with less than Moss does, to me at least. I haven't said to cut him yet, but I do think the fact he's making more this season than Gilliam (who I believe could be that role), Gabe Davis, and Shaq Lawson, it does make me consider that, but I just don't think it makes us stronger unless we're making a FA move with the new cap space. And $1.2 million isn't a ton in cap space. So to me it sort of is an "it is what it is" type thing for now. There's some real cap savings next year - this year you would save like 800K which gets you... i dunno another Moss. 16 hours ago, Simon said: I'm not implying anything; he does have a better average. I'm not saying he's a better back, but all this ragging on him and the utterly ridiculous calls to cut him when he's meeting multiple defenders in the backfield on the majority of his carrers is way out of line, imo. I'm disappointed with the run game in general, but he makes a play and were to take it out of his yardage total? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
extrahammer Posted October 10, 2022 Author Share Posted October 10, 2022 On 10/3/2022 at 4:21 PM, CircleTheWagons99 said: it just seems that every time he comes in and runs for 1 yard it sucks the air out of the offense. Or slips when he gets a huge hole. But hey, I'm not a coach. 😂 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rigotz Posted October 10, 2022 Share Posted October 10, 2022 I wonder if we could trade Moss for a pure power back that’s been around the league for a while. If what we want from Moss is short yardage and pass blocking, let’s get a guy who actually can do it and trade his cheap contract and “upside” away. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaos Posted October 10, 2022 Share Posted October 10, 2022 On 10/3/2022 at 5:31 PM, Simon said: Removing one of his carries to create the result you want would be cherry-picking stats. That just basic straightforwards unaltered averages. Means and Medians are both averages. Moss's median run / carry is pretty low, 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
extrahammer Posted October 16, 2022 Author Share Posted October 16, 2022 Looks like the Zach Moss era is possibly coming to an end. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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