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26 minutes ago, Gisele said:

Not reading everything today.  Anyone know McDermott's "challenge" success rate?  Hard to find on web.

 

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/coaches/McDeSe0/challenges/

 

He's 6 of 24 career now.

 

By comparison Belichick is 9 of 23 in the same span (2017 to present).  

 

Not making any statement citing those numbers. 

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1 minute ago, buffalonian said:

I agree that shotgun in short yardage is a bit of a head scratcher.  I noticed that they were doing this in the Titans game too.  Still, Josh missed a wide open McKenzie in the endzone on that series.   

Putting the ball in the air there makes zero sense anyway.  Josh is bigger than most linebackers.  If we can't get less than a yard in those situations running the football having 3 tries at it, we have problems.  Being that close makes throwing the ball harder because the defense is compressed into a smaller area and the likelihood of an INT goes as well.  

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31 minutes ago, Billz4ever said:

3-man rush on the 3rd and 22 was the play of the game IMO.  Indefensible with a secondary in the condition of the what the Bills is.  I don't think Von was even in on the play.  

 

That ranks right up there with not playing press man, jam them at the line during 13 seconds.  It shows a clear loss of situational awareness, often described as choking when it matters.

Yes it would have been better if Miller was in, but dropping 8 is the standard on 3rd and long. Most teams do that. Green Bay did the same thing on the second to last Tampa drive last night and Brady had to dump it off and punt.

Play deep, rally, and tackle the underneath throw. 

The call was fine it was the putrid execution that was not. 

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1 minute ago, BillsVet said:

 

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/coaches/McDeSe0/challenges/

 

He's 6 of 24 career now.

 

By comparison Belichick is 9 of 23 in the same span (2017 to present).  

 

Not making any statement citing those numbers. 

I'll make a statement.  Given some of challenges I've seen him make that I could immediately tell he was going to lose from my couch, the fact he didn't challenge the Gabe catch/no catch, especially when the announcers were arguing it appeared he may have had 2 feet down before the ball came out, makes zero sense to me.

Just now, Ethan in Cleveland said:

Yes it would have been better if Miller was in, but dropping 8 is the standard on 3rd and long. Most teams do that. Green Bay did the same thing on the second to last Tampa drive last night and Brady had to dump it off and punt.

Play deep, rally, and tackle the underneath throw. 

The call was fine it was the putrid execution that was not. 

That is not the play you do when you have a secondary decimated by injuries.  Period.  You do not let the opposing QB sit back and find the hole in the coverage, which is exactly what they did.

 

3rd and 22 is when the pass rushers should be pinning their ears back and going after the QB with additional pressure.  They did the exact opposite of what the should've done.

 

If you get burned by the blitz, you say they beat it and made a good play.  What you don't do is let the QB sit back there and throw a 40 yard completion.  If they had brought pressure, Tua never has the time to make that throw most likely.

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1 minute ago, Billz4ever said:

I'll make a statement.  Given some of challenges I've seen him make that I could immediately tell he was going to lose from my couch, the fact he didn't challenge the Gabe catch/no catch, especially when the announcers were arguing it appeared he may have had 2 feet down before the ball came out, makes zero sense to me.

 

Well, I get into trouble discussing McD's decisions, in-game, post-game, or off-season.  ;) 

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6 minutes ago, FrenchConnection said:

I don’t know why they did that in the Titans games, but Eric Wood said in the pre-game show that goal line snaps under center are the hardest ones.

Is it not reasonable to expect a NFL player to be able to snap the ball??? If that is the excuse it is laughable. Allen should have been under center and it should have been a QB sneak. 

A shovel pass is a nice play there too but it should have been a QB sneak. That is on McDermott not telling his rookie OC what to do. 

Other than that play, I dont have much of an issue with McD decisions yesterday. And I've never been a McD fan. However, yesterday was really poor execution by the offense not coaching. Josh included. 

6 minutes ago, Billz4ever said:

I'll make a statement.  Given some of challenges I've seen him make that I could immediately tell he was going to lose from my couch, the fact he didn't challenge the Gabe catch/no catch, especially when the announcers were arguing it appeared he may have had 2 feet down before the ball came out, makes zero sense to me.

That is not the play you do when you have a secondary decimated by injuries.  Period.  You do not let the opposing QB sit back and find the hole in the coverage, which is exactly what they did.

 

3rd and 22 is when the pass rushers should be pinning their ears back and going after the QB with additional pressure.  They did the exact opposite of what the should've done.

 

If you get burned by the blitz, you say they beat it and made a good play.  What you don't do is let the QB sit back there and throw a 40 yard completion.  If they had brought pressure, Tua never has the time to make that throw most likely.

You don't know that and neither do I. If they pick up the blitz and Hill finds open space he can run away from everyone. 

It was bad execution not a bad call.

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3 minutes ago, Ethan in Cleveland said:

Is it not reasonable to expect a NFL player to be able to snap the ball??? If that is the excuse it is laughable. Allen should have been under center and it should have been a QB sneak. 

A shovel pass is a nice play there too but it should have been a QB sneak. That is on McDermott not telling his rookie OC what to do. 

Other than that play, I dont have much of an issue with McD decisions yesterday. And I've never been a McD fan. However, yesterday was really poor execution by the offense not coaching. Josh included. 

You don't know that and neither do I. If they pick up the blitz and Hill finds open space he can run away from everyone. 

It was bad execution not a bad call.

I do know that giving a QB basically forever to find a hole against a secondary without both starting safeties, Dane and Tre is probably going to end worse than if you put pressure on the QB, which is supposed to be a strength of this team this season.

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5 minutes ago, Ethan in Cleveland said:

Is it not reasonable to expect a NFL player to be able to snap the ball??? If that is the excuse it is laughable.

YEAH!!!!!! What does Eric Wood know about offensive line play?????

 

 

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31 minutes ago, Billz4ever said:

Josh in the shotgun on 2nd and goal from inside the one isn't a problem for you?  A 6'5" 250 lb QB can't get less than a yard on a QB sneak with 3 cracks at it? 

 

And given some of the stupid challenges I've seen McD make, to not challenge the Gabe catch/no catch is mind boggling.  Even the announcers were arguing he had 2 feet down before the ball came out. That play potentially puts points on the board.  It's not like it was just challenging some 5 yard catch at your own 30, which wouldn't even be a first down.

3rd and 22 with a 3-man rush is on the coaching staff.

 

Having Josh in the shotgun on 2nd and goal from inside the one is on the coaching staff.

 

Not challenging the Gabe catch/no catch considering some of the dumb challenges McD has done, especially when the announcers were arguing he had 2 feet down before the ball came out, is on the coaching staff.

 

Making Josh throw the ball 63 times in a game is on the coaching staff.

The challenge would have failed and the Bills would have had one less time out at the end.  It would have been a terrible decision.  I agree with you re Josh in the shotgun…

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Just now, mannc said:

The challenge would have failed and the Bills would have had one less time out at the end.  It would have been a terrible decision.  I agree with you re Josh in the shotgun…

How do you know the challenge would fail?  The announcers were even arguing he had 2 feet down before the ball came out and they certainly weren't pulling for the Bills in that game. 

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Just now, Billz4ever said:

How do you know the challenge would fail?  The announcers were even arguing he had 2 feet down before the ball came out and they certainly weren't pulling for the Bills in that game. 

That’s not the rule…you have to control the ball for more than a millisecond with both feet in and he never controlled the ball.

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2 minutes ago, mannc said:

That’s not the rule…you have to control the ball for more than a millisecond with both feet in and he never controlled the ball.

That is a catch.  You make the refs say it's not especially when it's a play that would put points on the board.

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McDermott is the defensive version of Andy Reid. The guy is an AMAZING schemer on defense and can game plan and draw up great stuff for players. That's 90% of the gig, and he is elite at it. 

 

However, this team can be very sloppy, and coaching decisions often very questionable. But usually we steamroll teams so it doesn't matter. 

 

Look at the Rams game. We turned the ball over a few times but it made no difference. It seems like every time we get a 15 yard PF penalty on offense 2 plays later it's a first down anyway. We're getting used to nothing mattering because in the end we score 30+ points.  

 

Even yesterday, with all the injuries coming in on defense AND many more during the game, Waddle and Hill did very little overall. That's scheme and roster depth, and the coaches deserve a ton of credit there. 

 

But this time around, being sloppy DID cost them. We left a minimum of 13 points on the field: the circus act before the half, not punching it on with 3 tries on the 1 yard line, and Bass missing the FG. We were also moving the ball again on the final drive but ran out of time. 

 

With those 13 points, it's 32-21 Bills. All we needed was ONE of those things and it's a W.

 

That's the story to me: all the injuries, all the mistakes, and it took EVERYTHING to break the Dolphins way to win by 2 points at home when Bills players were going off the field every other play. 

 

 

 

 

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Just now, Billz4ever said:

Someone here posted the replay still shots.  He clearly has the ball tucked away.  I can't help you if you can't see that.

I’ll bet Davis acknowledges that he should have held onto it, and he’d be right. There’s no way that was a catch.

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5 minutes ago, mannc said:

I’ll bet Davis acknowledges that he should have held onto it, and he’d be right. There’s no way that was a catch.

You said he didn't tuck it away

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"he never controlled the ball."

and on the replay you can clearly see he did.  He also tapped both feet and a split second after he tapped the second foot, the ball came out.

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28 minutes ago, Coach Tuesday said:

 

Lol - I usually like your one-liners but you're off your game this week.  I don't care whether you call it a "drop" or a "breakup", those are semantics you can play with in the dark by yourself.  He needs to make that catch, period.


It’s not semantics. They are two separate events. 

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34 minutes ago, FrenchConnection said:

I don’t know why they did that in the Titans games, but Eric Wood said in the pre-game show that goal line snaps under center are the hardest ones.

He’s right. You often have multiple people lined up across you whose job is to try and blow you off the ball as soon as it’s snapped in anticipation of a qb sneak. 

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7 minutes ago, mannc said:

I’ll bet Davis acknowledges that he should have held onto it, and he’d be right. There’s no way that was a catch.

 

He did catch it and had control when his left foot touched

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and when his right foot touched

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