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5 hours ago, JerseyBills said:

And STILL doubled them in total yards and were multiple flukey plays away from a W.

 

GTFO here. McDermott is a blessing to this franchise - this part was meant for OP, not you lol

 

One might say Beane is a blessing to this franchise more than McDermott.

 

What coach would NOT win with the talent on this roster?

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29 minutes ago, Einstein said:

 

One might say Beane is a blessing to this franchise more than McDermott.

 

What coach would NOT win with the talent on this roster?

 

Beane has built a talented roster, no doubt. But I think the continued issues on the offensive line are absolutely a Beane thing. In 4 of our last 7 defeats the offense has had the ball at the end in Josh Allen's hands with a chance to win the game - Tennessee, Jacksonville, New England and yesterday (you could even add Tampa in there as a touchdown on that final drive instead of a FG wins us the game) - and we haven't got it done on any of those occasions.

  • In Tennessee the offensive line got blown up on the sneak;
  • In Jacksonville Allen was under duress the entire drive and sacked on the final 3rd down knocking us out of FG range;
  • Against the Pats we turned 1st and 10 at the NE 13 into 3rd and 14 with a false start and then Allen was harassed on both 3rd and 4th down causing incompletions;
  • Yesterday Allen was under duress that entire drive and then Quessenberry took a holding penalty that knocked us out of FG range. 

In the NFL there are going to be close games. It is the nature of parity. The Bills have an exceptional record of blowing teams out but when you have Josh Allen and in a close game he has the ball last that, frankly, is all you can wish for. That we haven't got it done on so many occasions (only the Colts and the Chiefs playoff game of our last 7 losses as the offense not had a chance at the end of the game to win it for us) is a real outlier for a team with an elite QB. And I'm afraid the pattern there is very clear. With all the chips in the middle of the table in those end of game situations we suffer protection breakdown after protection breakdown. 

 

You can put that on coaching if you like. But two OCs, two OL coaches... repeating pattern. The blocking ain't up to snuff. 

 

52 minutes ago, TBBills said:

 

 

@GunnerBillyou might disagree but most of the rest of the NFL agrees with just seeing how he mever even got a true consideration for a HC job. 

 

Almost every single team on 3rd and 22 with an inexperienced secondary is playing coverage. Okay, it didn't work, Jaquan got burned. I get it. But Leslie Frazier did an excellent job with the pieces he had yesterday. He put his young players in position to make the most of what they had. They give up one play and everyone goes mad about the playcall. 

 

And the reason Leslie Frazier is not a true consideration for a head coach job is because he has had his shot, is in his 60s and is a defensive guy when the league is going to offense. I wouldn't hire him as a HC either. But as a DC? He is one of the best in the business. 

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5 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

Beane has built a talented roster, no doubt. But I think the continued issues on the offensive line are absolutely a Beane thing. In 4 of our last 7 defeats the offense has had the ball at the end in Josh Allen's hands with a chance to win the game - Tennessee, Jacksonville, New England and yesterday (you could even add Tampa in there as a touchdown on that final drive instead of a FG wins us the game) - and we haven't got it done on any of those occasions.

  • In Tennessee the offensive line got blown up on the sneak;
  • In Jacksonville Allen was under duress the entire drive and sacked on the final 3rd down knocking us out of FG range;
  • Against the Pats we turned 1st and 10 at the NE 13 into 3rd and 14 with a false start and then Allen was harassed on both 3rd and 4th down causing incompletions;
  • Yesterday Allen was under duress that entire drive and then Quessenberry took a holding penalty that knocked us out of FG range. 

In the NFL there are going to be close games. It is the nature of parity. The Bills have an exceptional record of blowing teams out but when you have Josh Allen and in a close game he has the ball last that, frankly, is all you can wish for. That we haven't got it done on so many occasions (only the Colts and the Chiefs playoff game of our last 7 losses as the offense not had a chance at the end of the game to win it for us) is a real outlier for a team with an elite QB. And I'm afraid the pattern there is very clear. With all the chips in the middle of the table in those end of game situations we suffer protection breakdown after protection breakdown. 

 

You can put that on coaching if you like. But two OCs, two OL coaches... repeating pattern. The blocking ain't up to snuff. 

 

 

Almost every single team on 3rd and 22 with an inexperienced secondary is playing coverage. Okay, it didn't work, Jaquan got burned. I get it. But Leslie Frazier did an excellent job with the pieces he had yesterday. He put his young players in position to make the most of what they had. They give up one play and everyone goes mad about the playcall. 

 

And the reason Leslie Frazier is not a true consideration for a head coach job is because he has had his shot, is in his 60s and is a defensive guy when the league is going to offense. I wouldn't hire him as a HC either. But as a DC? He is one of the best in the business. 

 

Keep in mind that Allen was something like 95% on QB sneaks before our coaching decided to stop calling it. 

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Just now, Einstein said:

 

Keep in mind that Allen was something like 95% on QB sneaks before our coaching decided to stop calling it. 

 

I'd like the sneaks back in the playbook too, no question. But forget the series on the goalline for a moment. We still had the ball again after that with enough time only needing a FG. The offensive line failed us, again. In a big spot. You can pretend that is on coaching but ultimately that is on talent. When it comes to the crunch and it is your guy vs my guy and someone has to make a play our offensive line comes up small every time. Why? Because we keep patching it up with guys who are at best serviceable rather than really prioritising it. 

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1 hour ago, TBBills said:

Leslie Fraizer needs to be fired, this is why old people are not being hired as HCs anymore. They don't think progressively and call a prevent 3 man rush on 3rd and 22.

 

@GunnerBillyou might disagree but most of the rest of the NFL agrees with just seeing how he mever even got a true consideration for a HC job. 

Von Miller, Boogie Basham and Daquan Jones were pass rushers on that play

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When there’s so many people involved there’s blame to go around, McD deserves his share of the blame.

 

One concern is that, when it comes to high pressure situations, the bills seem to be on the losing end. the team is not proactive in teaching/understanding how to perform in the pressure cooker. They don’t demonstrate a cool/calm confidence in themselves, instead they seem to panic(?).

 

McD is great at getting the team ready to steamroll/steamrolling and that is AWESOME. Where he could improve is a) the teams understanding of the rules b) situational performance.

 

not easy things, but I believe it’s a big part of what lead to Brady/Belichick’s success

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1 hour ago, Einstein said:

 

One might say Beane is a blessing to this franchise more than McDermott.

 

What coach would NOT win with the talent on this roster?

Hard to say. They have crazy talent in LA and Denver and they don't look too hot.

 

Beane might be more of one for sure but McDermott is phenomenal at getting our guys laser focused. Both changed the culture 

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1 hour ago, GunnerBill said:

Almost every single team on 3rd and 22 with an inexperienced secondary is playing coverage. Okay, it didn't work, Jaquan got burned. I get it. But Leslie Frazier did an excellent job with the pieces he had yesterday. He put his young players in position to make the most of what they had. They give up one play and everyone goes mad about the playcall. 

 

Not to mention this stat that I saw in an article this morning in the Buffalo News: "It was the first time the Bills’ defense ever has given up a third-and-20 or more situation in the six years of the Sean McDermott and Leslie Frazier era, according to Buffalo News charting. Opponents had been 0-for-22 on third and 20 or more against the Bills since 2017."

 

It happens. And yesterday it happened under extraordinary circumstances. It doesn't diminsh the job Frazier did yesterday in any way. Frazier did an excellent job..

 

Just an observation, but I find it interesting that some of the same posters who worried about Miami putting up 30+ points against this defense with the players missing going into the game, are now complaining about giving up one big play....

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1 hour ago, GunnerBill said:

 

I'd like the sneaks back in the playbook too, no question. But forget the series on the goalline for a moment. We still had the ball again after that with enough time only needing a FG. The offensive line failed us, again. In a big spot. You can pretend that is on coaching but ultimately that is on talent. When it comes to the crunch and it is your guy vs my guy and someone has to make a play our offensive line comes up small every time. Why? Because we keep patching it up with guys who are at best serviceable rather than really prioritising it. 

How much depth do you think a team can have at any position group when your gameday roster is limited to 48 players? We were down to our 3rd string center and had backups playing out of position across the line. No team can withstand that.

34 minutes ago, Shortchaz said:

When there’s so many people involved there’s blame to go around, McD deserves his share of the blame.

 

One concern is that, when it comes to high pressure situations, the bills seem to be on the losing end. the team is not proactive in teaching/understanding how to perform in the pressure cooker. They don’t demonstrate a cool/calm confidence in themselves, instead they seem to panic(?).

 

McD is great at getting the team ready to steamroll/steamrolling and that is AWESOME. Where he could improve is a) the teams understanding of the rules b) situational performance.

 

not easy things, but I believe it’s a big part of what lead to Brady/Belichick’s success

Actually, Josh knew the rules to a T yesterday when he didn’t clock the ball after bobbling the snap at the end of the first half. I looked up the rule, and if you don’t immediately spike the ball it is a fumble.

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5 minutes ago, FrenchConnection said:

How much depth do you think a team can have at any position group when your gameday roster is limited to 48 players? We were down to our 3rd string center and had backups playing out of position across the line. No team can withstand that.

 

 

I agree with that, but the line was bad all day even when it was only down Morse and it is, definitely, a pattern now of us failing with the ball last to win games because of oline breakdowns. Maybe if our starters were still in it would all have been fine yesterday but I'm not convinced. We got beaten up front pretty bad all day and guy that actually gave away the big penalty on that last drive - Quess - played BETTER than the starter he replaced overall. 

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14 minutes ago, FrenchConnection said:

 

Actually, Josh knew the rules to a T yesterday when he didn’t clock the ball after bobbling the snap at the end of the first half. I looked up the rule, and if you don’t immediately spike the ball it is a fumble.

Sure felt like another panicky costly blunder 

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11 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

I agree with that, but the line was bad all day even when it was only down Morse and it is, definitely, a pattern now of us failing with the ball last to win games because of oline breakdowns. Maybe if our starters were still in it would all have been fine yesterday but I'm not convinced. We got beaten up front pretty bad all day and guy that actually gave away the big penalty on that last drive - Quess - played BETTER than the starter he replaced overall. 

Somebody pointed out that Morse being out was huge because he calls the coverages pre-snap. 

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4 minutes ago, FrenchConnection said:

Somebody pointed out that Morse being out was huge because he calls the coverages pre-snap. 

 

He does help Josh with protection schemes rather than coverages. He helps call the protections. So yes, him being out is a miss, of course. But we still have some JAGs around him and Dion. 

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14 hours ago, Bangarang said:


It’s not a drop. The defender knocked it out of his hands. You’re wrong. 


No, you’re wrong.

 

Davis has had issues with contested plays his entire career.  For all of his size and strength he has always had difficulty fighting at the catch point.  Always.  That was 100% a catch he could and should have made.

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2 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

 

I'd like the sneaks back in the playbook too, no question. But forget the series on the goalline for a moment. We still had the ball again after that with enough time only needing a FG. The offensive line failed us, again. In a big spot. You can pretend that is on coaching but ultimately that is on talent. When it comes to the crunch and it is your guy vs my guy and someone has to make a play our offensive line comes up small every time. Why? Because we keep patching it up with guys who are at best serviceable rather than really prioritising it. 

 

But this ignores the point that poor coaching decisions put us in the position to need a last minute score.

 

- QB sneak at the goal line and we likely don’t need a last minute score

- Don’t waste a timeout on a PUNT and we likely have another 3 points (field goal before half time)

etc

 

I also have a hard time blaming the linemen at that point of the game. They were exhausted.

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15 minutes ago, Coach Tuesday said:


No, you’re wrong.

 

Davis has had issues with contested plays his entire career.  For all of his size and strength he has always had difficulty fighting at the catch point.  Always.  That was 100% a catch he could and should have made.


Either you struggle to understand the difference between a drop and a pass breakup or you don’t care and just want to be a troll. It’s sad either way.

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Sure would be nice McDermott, if we were on the other side of more of these "named" games,,  Hail Murray X,  13 Seconds X,  even the "butt punt" is being talked about this morning all over national media, and yet WE still lost.  The joke is on Buffalo.

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Sure would be nice McDermott, if we were on the other side of more of these "named" games,,  Hail Murray X,  13 Seconds X,  even the "butt punt" is being talked about this morning all over national media, and yet WE still lost.  The joke is on Buffalo.

 

“Most talented roster in the league” yet all of the close games we lose.

 

Hmm…

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