Brand J Posted September 14, 2022 Share Posted September 14, 2022 Anyone have feedback regarding his play going against arguably the most disruptive DT in the history of the game? I thought he had a pretty good outing. In the highlight package the NFL put together, I zeroed in on him and noticed he was singled up with Donald quite a bit and #99 didn’t embarrass him. Bates held his own for the most part. He was beaten cleanly for a sack, overpowered on that play, and had a couple other miscues where it looked like he didn’t know who to block, but all in all “not bad” for a player who used to ride the bench up until the final stretch last year. I have high hopes for him going forward, the entire OL gave Josh plenty of time throughout the contest, not that it mattered when Josh was getting the ball out in under 3 seconds. Kudos to Kromer. 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vincec Posted September 14, 2022 Share Posted September 14, 2022 If Allen gets the ball out in 2.7 seconds on a regular basis then the OL is going to look good all year long. 3 4 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain_Quint Posted September 14, 2022 Share Posted September 14, 2022 He struggled most of the game, but that may be his toughest assignment this year. He has a strong work ethic and should be able to rebound just fine. He's an undersized guy so pulling Donald in 95 degree weather in the opener is rough. 5 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan1959 Posted September 14, 2022 Share Posted September 14, 2022 (edited) Fwiw, PFF gave The following pass blocking grades: Dawkins 78.3 Morse. 64.4 Saffold. 62.4 Brown. 59 Bates. 9 And the following run blocking grades: Bates. 70.4 Morse. 65 Dawkins 64 Brown 61.3 Saffold. 53.8 Edited September 14, 2022 by billsfan1959 3 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brand J Posted September 14, 2022 Author Share Posted September 14, 2022 Just now, billsfan1959 said: Fwiw, PFF gave The following pass blocking grades: Dawkins 78.3 Morse. 64.4 Scaffold. 62.4 Brown. 59 Bates. 9 And the following run blocking grades: Bates. 70.4 Morse. 65 Dawkins 64 Brown 61.3 Saffold. 53.8 Wow, a 9 for pass blocking? I mean, there were a few times when Josh held the ball longer, but Bates wasn’t a tire fire. A 9 would suggest he had an outing like Colin Brown, but I didn’t think he was that much of a liability. 11 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted September 14, 2022 Share Posted September 14, 2022 3 minutes ago, billsfan1959 said: Fwiw, PFF gave The following pass blocking grades: Dawkins 78.3 Morse. 64.4 Saffold. 62.4 Brown. 59 Bates. 9 And the following run blocking grades: Bates. 70.4 Morse. 65 Dawkins 64 Brown 61.3 Saffold. 53.8 9 lol 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan1959 Posted September 14, 2022 Share Posted September 14, 2022 Just now, JayBaller10 said: Wow, a 9 for pass blocking? I mean, there were a few times when Josh held the ball longer, but Bates wasn’t a tire fire. A 9 would suggest he had an outing like Colin Brown, but I didn’t think he was that much of a liability. I know. It is PFF, but still… Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badassgixxer05 Posted September 14, 2022 Share Posted September 14, 2022 7 minutes ago, JayBaller10 said: Wow, a 9 for pass blocking? I mean, there were a few times when Josh held the ball longer, but Bates wasn’t a tire fire. A 9 would suggest he had an outing like Colin Brown, but I didn’t think he was that much of a liability. I almost did as good from my couch if that really was his grade. PFF is trash though 😁 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CSBill Posted September 14, 2022 Share Posted September 14, 2022 A "9" grade? That can't be right ???? Yes, one really bad play, but nothing egregious the rest of the night. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted September 14, 2022 Share Posted September 14, 2022 How have other OGs fared against Donald, a surefire first ballot HOFer? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted September 14, 2022 Share Posted September 14, 2022 45 minutes ago, vincec said: If Allen gets the ball out in 2.7 seconds on a regular basis then the OL is going to look good all year long. You might still have to give credit to Bates regardless. we have seen much much worse. Kromer aint bad either i read here. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buffblue Posted September 14, 2022 Share Posted September 14, 2022 (edited) He was abysmal in pass pro during the 1st quarter especially, but then seemed to improve as the game went on. As OP stated much of his rough play was against Donald so I'm not worried about him too much. One thing I wonder is how much difference there is between left and right guard. Last year he was exclusively on the left, but with Saffold on board he is now on the opposite side Edited September 14, 2022 by buffblue 2 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bronxbomber21 Posted September 14, 2022 Share Posted September 14, 2022 A 9 pass blocking grade but a 70 run blocking grade how is that possible 🤔 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeGOATski Posted September 14, 2022 Share Posted September 14, 2022 37 minutes ago, billsfan1959 said: I know. It is PFF, but still… No, that's exactly it: it's PFF. That means it's absolute crap and can suck it. 1 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyst Posted September 14, 2022 Share Posted September 14, 2022 PFF hires any bozo to do their grading. Or at least be did a few steps back. College kids, etc. They just watch film, grade people, etc. The irrelevants get the college kids, the top players get decent judging. It's all crap though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChans Posted September 14, 2022 Share Posted September 14, 2022 42 minutes ago, JayBaller10 said: Wow, a 9 for pass blocking? I mean, there were a few times when Josh held the ball longer, but Bates wasn’t a tire fire. A 9 would suggest he had an outing like Colin Brown, but I didn’t think he was that much of a liability. He got beat a bunch. It didn't matter because Josh got it out fast. Good gameplanning to neutralize AD. Rick won't play him again. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beck Water Posted September 14, 2022 Share Posted September 14, 2022 48 minutes ago, JayBaller10 said: Wow, a 9 for pass blocking? I mean, there were a few times when Josh held the ball longer, but Bates wasn’t a tire fire. A 9 would suggest he had an outing like Colin Brown, but I didn’t think he was that much of a liability. Yah, if he really deserved a "9" grade, Josh woulda had to have gotten the ball out in 0.7 seconds, not 2.7 seconds. PFF is pretty good for some things, and pretty sketchy for stuff like OL blocking where they really don't know for sure who had what assignment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChans Posted September 14, 2022 Share Posted September 14, 2022 3 minutes ago, Beck Water said: Yah, if he really deserved a "9" grade, Josh woulda had to have gotten the ball out in 0.7 seconds, not 2.7 seconds. PFF is pretty good for some things, and pretty sketchy for stuff like OL blocking where they really don't know for sure who had what assignment. How could somebody who watched Brady for 20 years beat the Bills not understand that rapid passing eliminates basically every pass rusher regardless? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan1959 Posted September 14, 2022 Share Posted September 14, 2022 9 minutes ago, LeGOATski said: No, that's exactly it: it's PFF. That means it's absolute crap and can suck it. I’m not endorsing PFF. I post things I run across from different sites. Some people appreciate the info and some don’t. People are free to read it or not read it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GolfandBills Posted September 14, 2022 Share Posted September 14, 2022 1 hour ago, Captain_Quint said: He struggled most of the game, but that may be his toughest assignment this year. He has a strong work ethic and should be able to rebound just fine. He's an undersized guy so pulling Donald in 95 degree weather in the opener is rough. All game? I disagree. Rough first half but he played well after that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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