100 yard rusher vs 300 yard passer winning percentage - interesting

[Thurman#1]

14 hours ago, prissythecat said:

5.6 ypa passing so the passing game was pretty darn bad on its own yet they kept trying.   

 

 

Yeah, hard to figure out why they kept trying using the strategy that got them 5.6 ypa versus the strategy that got them 2.4 ypc.

 

Clearly a logician would tell you that we can see from those numbers that if they'd run more they have done much better.

[Thurman#1]

13 hours ago, Big Blitz said:

 

 

To what?  That Carson Wentz is terrible?

 

Without Taylor they probably win 3 games last year.  

 

Using "made the playoffs" or "winning the Super Bowl" as the only barometer is ridiculous 

 

 

Um, OK. So, why did you say:

 

On 9/5/2022 at 9:38 PM, Big Blitz said:

 

The stats still support running and stopping the run are vital in putting together a SB team

 

 

When you say stuff like this, of course people are going to tell you about the actual facts about SB teams.

 

 

[GunnerBill]

13 hours ago, Big Blitz said:

 

 

To what?  That Carson Wentz is terrible?

 

Without Taylor they probably win 3 games last year.  

 

Using "made the playoffs" or "winning the Super Bowl" as the only barometer is ridiculous 

 

I don't disagree on the Colts. They have the best running back in football and last year had the worst starting QB in football. Given that the run game mattered to them. But I suggest if you switched it around.... gave them the best QB and the worst starting RB they would have won more games and made the post season. In fact if you go back to the last period in which they regularly made the playoffs in the early Andrew Luck years they were doing so with Vick Ballard and Trent Richardson averaging less then 4 yards a carry as among the worst backs in the league.

 

Moral of the story - if your QB is Carson Wentz you better have a run game. If youe QB is Josh Allen you want to throw it. A lot. 

[Niagara Bill]

13 hours ago, Coach Tuesday said:

Literally the opposite is true.

Sorry, wrong. When a pass catching rb enters game and never runs the ball, it helps the d. Change of pace backs are also easy prey for Def coordinators. 

Even Thurmans successful back ups were similar styles. 

If you do not have a dominate back who gets you 100 yards, you really have no running game to be feared. It is the fear to Def coordinators that changes a game plan.

[prissythecat]

4 hours ago, Thurman#1 said:

 

 

Yeah, hard to figure out why they kept trying using the strategy that got them 5.6 ypa versus the strategy that got them 2.4 ypc.

 

Clearly a logician would tell you that we can see from those numbers that if they'd run more they have done much better.

 

Kind of an ignorant statement since run and pass output is typically quite different.  A good passing game usually is one that is over 7.0 ypa while a good running game is usually over 4.5 ypc.  The two numbers are not comparable.    Keep trying though

Edited September 7, 2022 by prissythecat

[prissythecat]

4 hours ago, Thurman#1 said:

 

 

Um, no. 9 rushes by running backs, not 9 rushes. And numbers introduced by phrases like, "something like" are right out there as guesses.

 

 

I remember looking at the box score to see the breakdown months ago  and just recalled that they had over 40 pass attempts .  So it wasn't a guess.   As an fyi ,  the exact figure from the box score was 47 pass attempts.   

On the running side ,  if we include Josh's scrambles,  the run attempts goes up to 14.  Not a material increase.   But curiously enough,  the ypc number goes up to 5.1 (which is pretty darn good).  So one could actually argue that we should have had Josh scramble more and pass less 😛

[HiMark]

On 9/6/2022 at 6:35 AM, Matt_In_NH said:

And do you take out your starting RB with the big lead?

Um, no?  Just saying there is an actual reason why 100 yard rushing games are co-related strongly with wins.  They often happen BECAUSE you are winning.

The Bills are likely to have both, or more 300y passing wins, because that is how we build big leads.

 

Also, as in the last 2 Pats games, its how we run out the clock 😁