blacklabel Posted August 24, 2022 Share Posted August 24, 2022 Alrighty I'll take a crack... QB Josh Allen Case Keenum RB/FB Devin Singletary Zack Moss James Cook Taiwan Jones Reggie Gilliam WR Stefon Diggs Gabe Davis Isaiah McKenzie Jamison Crowder Khalil Shakir Isaiah Hodgins Jake Kumerow TE Dawson Knox OJ Howard Tommy Sweeney OL Dion Dawkins Rodger Saffold Mitch Morse Ryan Bates Spencer Brown Tommy Doyle David Quessenberry Greg Mancz DL Von Miller Greg Rousseau Boogie Basham AJ Epenesa Shaq Lawson Ed Oliver DaQuan Jones Jordan Phillips Tim Settle LB Tremaine Edmunds Matt Milano Tyrell Dodson Terrel Bernard Tyler Matakevitch DB Tre White Kaiir Elam Taron Johnson Dane Jackson Siran Neal Christian Benford Micah Hyde Jordan Poyer Jaquan Johnson Damar Hamlin ST Reid Ferguson Tyler Bass Matt Araiza 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warriorspikes51 Posted August 24, 2022 Share Posted August 24, 2022 (edited) 19 minutes ago, blacklabel said: Alrighty I'll take a crack... QB Josh Allen Case Keenum RB/FB Devin Singletary Zack Moss James Cook Taiwan Jones Reggie Gilliam WR Stefon Diggs Gabe Davis Isaiah McKenzie Jamison Crowder Khalil Shakir Isaiah Hodgins Jake Kumerow TE Dawson Knox OJ Howard Tommy Sweeney OL Dion Dawkins Rodger Saffold Mitch Morse Ryan Bates Spencer Brown Tommy Doyle David Quessenberry Greg Mancz DL Von Miller Greg Rousseau Boogie Basham AJ Epenesa Shaq Lawson Ed Oliver DaQuan Jones Jordan Phillips Tim Settle LB Tremaine Edmunds Matt Milano Tyrell Dodson Terrel Bernard Tyler Matakevitch DB Tre White Kaiir Elam Taron Johnson Dane Jackson Siran Neal Christian Benford Micah Hyde Jordan Poyer Jaquan Johnson Damar Hamlin ST Reid Ferguson Tyler Bass Matt Araiza Only changes I'd make is Morris over Sweeney and if OBJ signs maybe you trade Hodgins to the Giants. I don't think they cut Kumerow because of ST. Could also make a case for trading Crowder and keeping Hodgins for his size and he's finally able to show skills Edited August 24, 2022 by Warriorspikes51 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Costa Posted August 24, 2022 Share Posted August 24, 2022 21 minutes ago, blacklabel said: Alrighty I'll take a crack... QB Josh Allen Case Keenum RB/FB Devin Singletary Zack Moss James Cook Taiwan Jones Reggie Gilliam WR Stefon Diggs Gabe Davis Isaiah McKenzie Jamison Crowder Khalil Shakir Isaiah Hodgins Jake Kumerow TE Dawson Knox OJ Howard Tommy Sweeney OL Dion Dawkins Rodger Saffold Mitch Morse Ryan Bates Spencer Brown Tommy Doyle David Quessenberry Greg Mancz DL Von Miller Greg Rousseau Boogie Basham AJ Epenesa Shaq Lawson Ed Oliver DaQuan Jones Jordan Phillips Tim Settle LB Tremaine Edmunds Matt Milano Tyrell Dodson Terrel Bernard Tyler Matakevitch DB Tre White Kaiir Elam Taron Johnson Dane Jackson Siran Neal Christian Benford Micah Hyde Jordan Poyer Jaquan Johnson Damar Hamlin ST Reid Ferguson Tyler Bass Matt Araiza Do you have 52 players? Morris for Sweeney. Add either Bobby Hart or cam Lewis , or Giles Harris for 53rd player 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freddyjj Posted August 24, 2022 Share Posted August 24, 2022 40 minutes ago, Paul Costa said: Do you have 52 players? Morris for Sweeney. Add either Bobby Hart or cam Lewis , or Giles Harris for 53rd player yes add Hart as 9th OL. OBD has always had at least 9 every year of McBeane administration 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Airseven Posted August 24, 2022 Share Posted August 24, 2022 How in the world do they still have Hart on the roster?! One OL injury and they're in big trouble. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StHustle Posted August 24, 2022 Share Posted August 24, 2022 1 hour ago, BTB said: Unless McD buys into Schoop’s ramblings, and decides that will be no kicks this season. No punts, no FG’s & no EP’s. Right so cut all 3! Then you can keep Blackshear on your 53 to ensure we succeed on every 2pt conversion attempt 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
No_Matter_What Posted August 24, 2022 Share Posted August 24, 2022 (edited) On 8/23/2022 at 11:55 PM, Beck Water said: So I'm gonna take a bit of a different angle - looking at the salary cap I think this is a pretty good starting place, actually. Changes (indicated in red above) 1) Blackshear -> PS, Gilliam counted as an RB (FB) per Dorsey interview 2) Morris added as a 3rd TE. I personally think we might see an OJ Howard trade and keep Morris and Sweeney, but, unsure so I kept Howard and Morris for now 3) Ford traded and replaced by Bobby Hart (sorry guys) So now, let's look at which guys who are in the top-51 currently would be gone: Andre Smith (suspension) - $0.363M (6/17 of $1.03M) Duke Johnson (cut) - 0.920M Greg Van Roten (cut) - 0.895M Jordan Miller (cut) - 0.965M Cam Lewis (cut) -0.895M Matt Barkley (cut) -0.920M Current top-51 cap space per Spotrac: $4.156M Added by the above cuts: $4.958M Now we have to look at the next 8 guys who will now count in the 53 man roster: Tommy Doyle $0.825M Tyrel Dodson $0.895M Dane Jackson $0.825M Damar Hamlin $0.895M Khalil Shakir $0.705 Matt Araiza $0.705 Christian Benford $0.705 Isaiah Hodgins $0.705 Quintin Morris $0.705 (Ike Boettger won't count against the roster, but his salary will still be paid and will count against the cap, so we will have 54 players counting against the cap) Need to subtract from our cap space: $6.965M Estimated cap space remaining on the 53 man roster: $2.15M I give up on understanding whether or not the team needs to include the practice squad this year and how many people can be on it. I googled. But, if it's 16 players and we're relatively evenly split between rookies, players with more than 2 years experience, and players who draw the maximum pay, we would need something like $4.17M for the practice squad. If we were to trade OJ Howard and keep Tommy Sweeney on the roster, that would save $1.98M for Howard and cost $0.965M for Sweeney, so save $1M Beane has said in the past that he likes to go into the season with ~$3-5M to cover any need to sign injury replacements. So he's gotta find a couple of million somewhere. I did this very same exercise with sportrac, using same players as you. Once I cut it to 53 players it shows $4,5M cap space. I have no idea how does that account for Boettger so not sure if I need to substract his $1M. So little different numbers. Biggest differences are Duke Johnson (only $650K savings) and Andre Smith over $1M in savings. No idea how it will work with Smith. My assumption was that we have two options - cut him altogether, or put him on initial 53 then he gets suspended and we gain roster spot (?). But I don't think we can afford doing that (and that we will be willing to do that for him) so I guess he is cut. Correct me pls if I am wrong. Sportrac shows different cap hits than you on most players btw. Anyway, it still shows more cap space than you calculated. Edited August 24, 2022 by No_Matter_What Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rochesterfan Posted August 25, 2022 Share Posted August 25, 2022 13 hours ago, No_Matter_What said: I did this very same exercise with sportrac, using same players as you. Once I cut it to 53 players it shows $4,5M cap space. I have no idea how does that account for Boettger so not sure if I need to substract his $1M. So little different numbers. Biggest differences are Duke Johnson (only $650K savings) and Andre Smith over $1M in savings. No idea how it will work with Smith. My assumption was that we have two options - cut him altogether, or put him on initial 53 then he gets suspended and we gain roster spot (?). But I don't think we can afford doing that (and that we will be willing to do that for him) so I guess he is cut. Correct me pls if I am wrong. Sportrac shows different cap hits than you on most players btw. Anyway, it still shows more cap space than you calculated. My understanding of the Smith situation is as part of the cutdown - he moves to the Suspended list. He does not have to go onto the 53 man roster or anything. Once he slides on to the suspension list - his salary goes away for the next 6 weeks. The Bills do not need to count his salary in the cap, BUT they will need to prepare because at the end of the 6 weeks - they will need to activate or cut him and if they activate - his remaining salary will need to be accounted for. That will all be part of what BBB will need to look at to figure out the cap. He has the 53 man roster, IR, PUP, PS, and suspended players once they return. Andre Smith actual gives the bills a potential spot to add a young player and then cut them in 6 weeks if you need a LB or cut Smith and save cash at that time. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warriorspikes51 Posted August 25, 2022 Share Posted August 25, 2022 Is Matakevich really good enough on ST to warrant a roster spot over someone like Spector? Doesn't he save us a few million in cap as well? Edmunds, Milano, Dodson, Bernard, Spector 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hemma Posted August 25, 2022 Share Posted August 25, 2022 With Mancz, Doyle & Brown all being some variation of the walking wounded, I think there should be 1 additional lineman. Probably Hart. Early in the season, with higher temps, the ball will carry so I think Bass will get the go ahead to pound the ball on kickoffs. This will allow cutting/trading Matekevich for the cap savings. Smiley will have a few weeks to get the kickoff return team in order. Kumerow is out for soreness though I think Hodgins has come close enough anyway for them to say goodbye to Kumerow. Hodgins will still need to lay it all out there on Friday. so I think Kumerow, Matekevich are gone replace with Hart and Spector. be nice to figure out a way for Cam Lewis to stick. He’s a good ball player. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warriorspikes51 Posted August 25, 2022 Share Posted August 25, 2022 QB: Allen, Keenum RB: Singletary, Cook, Moss, Jones FB: Gilliam TE: Knox, Howard, Morris WR: Diggs, Davis, McKenzie, Shakir, Crowder, Kumerow (OBJ on PUP) OT: Dawkins, Quessenberry, Brown, Doyle G: Saffold, Bates, Hart C Morse, Mancz DT: Oliver, Jones, Settle, Phillips EDGE: Von, Rousseau, Basham, AJ, Shaq LB: Edmunds, Milano, Dodson, Bernard, Spector CB: Tre, Jackson, Elam, Benford Nickel: Taron, Neal S: Poyer, Hyde, Jaquan, Hamlin ST, Bass, Araiza, Reid *Hodgins traded to NYG for a 4th *Boettger to IR, Smith Suspended List PS: Barkley, Blackshear, Sweeney, Stevenson (PUP), Gentry, Tenuta, Anderson, Kingsley, Love, Bryant, Ankou, Cam Lewis, Josh Thomas 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
No_Matter_What Posted August 25, 2022 Share Posted August 25, 2022 (edited) 28 minutes ago, Warriorspikes51 said: QB: Allen, Keenum RB: Singletary, Cook, Moss, Jones FB: Gilliam TE: Knox, Howard, Morris WR: Diggs, Davis, McKenzie, Shakir, Crowder, Kumerow (OBJ on PUP) OT: Dawkins, Quessenberry, Brown, Doyle G: Saffold, Bates, Hart C Morse, Mancz DT: Oliver, Jones, Settle, Phillips EDGE: Von, Rousseau, Basham, AJ, Shaq LB: Edmunds, Milano, Dodson, Bernard, Spector CB: Tre, Jackson, Elam, Benford Nickel: Taron, Neal S: Poyer, Hyde, Jaquan, Hamlin ST, Bass, Araiza, Reid *Hodgins traded to NYG for a 4th *Boettger to IR, Smith Suspended List PS: Barkley, Blackshear, Sweeney, Stevenson (PUP), Gentry, Tenuta, Anderson, Kingsley, Love, Bryant, Ankou, Cam Lewis, Josh Thomas Not a bad roster with couple question marks (as with any fan roster). Did you omit Matakevich by accident or do you think he will be cut? I really doubt that. Hell would freeze before Hodgins fetches 4th round. If Beane pulls some magic trick then maybe 6th. Edited August 25, 2022 by No_Matter_What Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warriorspikes51 Posted August 25, 2022 Share Posted August 25, 2022 (edited) 11 minutes ago, No_Matter_What said: Not a bad roster with couple question marks (as with any fan roster). Did you omit Matakevich by accident or do you think he will be cut? I really doubt that. Hell would freeze before Hodgins fetches 4th round. If Beane pulls some magic trick then maybe 6th. I doubt they'll cut him too but I believe he would save a few mil against cap? If he stays then Spector goes to PS but I bet he gets claimed. Tough calls. I'd really like to have Blackshear on the roster too. They may think long and hard about keeping him if he shows out again tomorrow night. Never know, Daboll could love the guy and Giants just lost a WR Edited August 25, 2022 by Warriorspikes51 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robert Paulson Posted August 25, 2022 Share Posted August 25, 2022 17 hours ago, blacklabel said: Alrighty I'll take a crack... QB Josh Allen Case Keenum RB/FB Devin Singletary Zack Moss James Cook Taiwan Jones Reggie Gilliam WR Stefon Diggs Gabe Davis Isaiah McKenzie Jamison Crowder Khalil Shakir Isaiah Hodgins Jake Kumerow TE Dawson Knox OJ Howard Tommy Sweeney OL Dion Dawkins Rodger Saffold Mitch Morse Ryan Bates Spencer Brown Tommy Doyle David Quessenberry Greg Mancz DL Von Miller Greg Rousseau Boogie Basham AJ Epenesa Shaq Lawson Ed Oliver DaQuan Jones Jordan Phillips Tim Settle LB Tremaine Edmunds Matt Milano Tyrell Dodson Terrel Bernard Tyler Matakevitch DB Tre White Kaiir Elam Taron Johnson Dane Jackson Siran Neal Christian Benford Micah Hyde Jordan Poyer Jaquan Johnson Damar Hamlin ST Reid Ferguson Tyler Bass Matt Araiza nice job-this is going to be really close to what we see. I'm debating Cam Lewis for Hodgins and Q Morris for Sweeney - maybe an extra O Lineman but I don't know who gets cut Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rochesterfan Posted August 25, 2022 Share Posted August 25, 2022 (edited) 2 hours ago, Warriorspikes51 said: QB: Allen, Keenum RB: Singletary, Cook, Moss, Jones FB: Gilliam TE: Knox, Howard, Morris WR: Diggs, Davis, McKenzie, Shakir, Crowder, Kumerow (OBJ on PUP) OT: Dawkins, Quessenberry, Brown, Doyle G: Saffold, Bates, Hart C Morse, Mancz DT: Oliver, Jones, Settle, Phillips EDGE: Von, Rousseau, Basham, AJ, Shaq LB: Edmunds, Milano, Dodson, Bernard, Spector CB: Tre, Jackson, Elam, Benford Nickel: Taron, Neal S: Poyer, Hyde, Jaquan, Hamlin ST, Bass, Araiza, Reid *Hodgins traded to NYG for a 4th *Boettger to IR, Smith Suspended List PS: Barkley, Blackshear, Sweeney, Stevenson (PUP), Gentry, Tenuta, Anderson, Kingsley, Love, Bryant, Ankou, Cam Lewis, Josh Thomas Couple of minor quibbles. Boettger is already on PUP inactive- he will not be put on IR until sometime in the season if at all. The inactive PUP means 4 games where he can’t practice at all. The Bills then have I believe up to 6 weeks to activate him (which moves him to active PUP), but not a member of the 53 or they can IR him at that point. If they shift him to active PUP - I believe the Bills then get 3 weeks to allow him to practice and not count on the roster and during those 3 weeks at any point - they can move him to the active roster (part of the 53), keep him on active PUP for the 3 weeks, or move him to IR. At the end of the 3 weeks - it is either active roster or IR. So the earliest they have to think about Ike is after week 4, but they have until week 10 - I believe before they need to act on him and then they have 3 more weeks to get back to speed - so really the Ike decision may not come until week 13 and may depend on o-line health. The other small quibble is you have Stevenson (PUP) and that is not an option for him since he was on the active roster to start camp. He will need to either be IR (pre 53 and done for the year), on the active 53 and moved to IR once everyone clears where he can be activated after week 4, on the active 53 with no IR, or cut and tried to go to the PS. PUP is not an option from my understanding. I have minor quibbles with the roster, but overall it is fine based on what we know - I want to see Friday’s game to finalize my last few spots based on what groups they roll out and who they try where on the field and on special teams. Edited August 25, 2022 by Rochesterfan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChevyVanMiller Posted August 25, 2022 Share Posted August 25, 2022 Saw this quote on Twitter and thought it was spot-on: Last season for the Bills: WR6 caught 2 passes RB4 didn't have a carry TE3 didn't have a catch Keep this in mind when you're saying the Bills should prioritize players at these positions over Jake Kumerow and Taiwan Jones who combined for 570 Special Teams snaps 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Airseven Posted August 25, 2022 Share Posted August 25, 2022 Most reports are now signaling: QB - Allen, Keenum RB - Singletary, Moss, Cook, Jones FB - Gilliam WR - Diggs, Davis, McKenzie, Crowder, Shakir, Kumerow TE - Knox, Howard, Sweeney, Morris OT - Dawkins, Quessenberry, Brown, Doyle G - Saffold, Bates, Hart C - Morse, Mancz DE - Miller, Rousseau, Epenesa, Basham, Lawson DT - Oliver, Jones, Settle, Phillips LB - Edmunds, Milano, Dodson, Bernard, Matakevich, Spector CB - White, Jackson, Johnson, Elam, Benford, Neal S - Hyde, Poyer, Johnson, Hamlin ST - Ferguson, Bass, Araiza ...for the initial roster. That's 54 so need to subtract one - White to the PUP would suffice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColoradoBills Posted August 25, 2022 Share Posted August 25, 2022 14 minutes ago, Airseven said: TE - Knox, Howard, Sweeney, Morris I just see no way they go with 4 TEs. So cut one and you are at 53. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted August 26, 2022 Share Posted August 26, 2022 On 8/24/2022 at 3:56 PM, blacklabel said: Alrighty I'll take a crack... QB Josh Allen Case Keenum RB/FB Devin Singletary Zack Moss James Cook Taiwan Jones Reggie Gilliam WR Stefon Diggs Gabe Davis Isaiah McKenzie Jamison Crowder Khalil Shakir Isaiah Hodgins Jake Kumerow TE Dawson Knox OJ Howard Quintin Morris Tommy Sweeney OL Dion Dawkins Rodger Saffold Mitch Morse Ryan Bates Spencer Brown Tommy Doyle David Quessenberry Greg Mancz DL Von Miller Greg Rousseau Boogie Basham AJ Epenesa Shaq Lawson Ed Oliver DaQuan Jones Jordan Phillips Tim Settle LB Tremaine Edmunds Matt Milano Tyrell Dodson Terrel Bernard Tyler Matakevitch DB Tre White Kaiir Elam Taron Johnson Dane Jackson Siran Neal Christian Benford Micah Hyde Jordan Poyer Jaquan Johnson Damar Hamlin ST Reid Ferguson Tyler Bass Matt Araiza I think your projection is pretty spot on. Brandon Beane has said if you arent a starter, you better be good at 3-4 phases special teams. Quintin Morris has been one of leaders in special teams play this preseason-29 plays I believe I heard on Joe Marino's podcast. OJ Howard has never played special teams. Morris has been the surprise of the camp. And coaches have been raving about Sweeney. Knox-Sweeney-Morris is my prediction for Bills TEs So last spot IMO comes down to Hodgins, Spector, Lewis, McCloud,Blackshear or Duke Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wppete Posted August 26, 2022 Share Posted August 26, 2022 On 8/24/2022 at 3:56 PM, blacklabel said: Alrighty I'll take a crack... QB Josh Allen Case Keenum RB/FB Devin Singletary Zack Moss James Cook Taiwan Jones Reggie Gilliam WR Stefon Diggs Gabe Davis Isaiah McKenzie Jamison Crowder Khalil Shakir Isaiah Hodgins Jake Kumerow TE Dawson Knox OJ Howard Tommy Sweeney OL Dion Dawkins Rodger Saffold Mitch Morse Ryan Bates Spencer Brown Tommy Doyle David Quessenberry Greg Mancz DL Von Miller Greg Rousseau Boogie Basham AJ Epenesa Shaq Lawson Ed Oliver DaQuan Jones Jordan Phillips Tim Settle LB Tremaine Edmunds Matt Milano Tyrell Dodson Terrel Bernard Tyler Matakevitch DB Tre White Kaiir Elam Taron Johnson Dane Jackson Siran Neal Christian Benford Micah Hyde Jordan Poyer Jaquan Johnson Damar Hamlin ST Reid Ferguson Tyler Bass Matt Araiza Looks about right, good job! The RB and TE room is one to keep an eye on and Araiza situation is very concerning. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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