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Did Tyrod Taylor get a raw deal in Buffalo?


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1 hour ago, DasNootz said:

Tyrod and Fitz are opposite ends of the pendulum’s swing.  
 

Fitz was the gunslinger that gambled beyond his abilities.  Love him or hate him, it was entertaining to watch.

 

Taylor was a game manager.  He took no risks, and in return got no rewards.  If your defense is great, he’ll get you the 17 points you need to win
 

Both were/are fan favorites as backups when your starter is losing because they offer hope.  Neither is going to win you games in the playoffs. 
 

taylor hasn’t shown anything since he left to indicate that the Bills held him back or gave him a “raw deal”.  He may be what the Giants “need” right now - Someone that won’t turn it over.  He’s still just a bridge to next guy though…. And you can make a lot of money in that role. 

Except the Bills were among the top scoring offenses in 2015 and 2016…. And their defense sucked.😅

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14 minutes ago, ScottLaw said:

Except the Bills were among the top scoring offenses in 2015 and 2016…. And their defense sucked.😅

 

After that playoff game last year I won't take any lead for granted. The Bills could be up by 10 with a minute left and I will still be nervous that they can win the game.

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How many completions could Tyrod complete if Tyrod could complete passes?

He is too inconsistent... He is no Lamar, He did not get a raw deal, he failed to live up to a minimum expectation consistently

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14 minutes ago, ScottLaw said:

Except the Bills were among the top scoring offenses in 2015 and 2016…. And their defense sucked.😅

2016 - 17 Passing TDs as a team, 27 Rushing TDs, 19 FGs (Strength of Schedule 21/32)-  (PF 10/32, PA 16/32)
2015 - 23 Passing TDs as a team, 19 Rushing TDs, 23 FGs (Strength of Schedule 12/32) - {PF 12/32, PA 15/32)

Yards per passing attempt decreased from 2015 to 2016, yards per rushing attempt increased - scoring increased.  
 

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Tyrod got a sweet deal from the Biils. He got paid in free agency when the Ravens weren't going to give him a raise. He got a starting job with the Bills when the Ravens had Flacco in his best years. He got his shot, thanks to (and only) the Bills.

 

Like Gonzo said, he failed.

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Tyrod's ceiling simply isn't high enough for any team to consistently make the playoffs and then win in the playoffs, no matter what team is around him.  He's a safe QB for a team in a rebuilding process that needs to get stronger in a lot of areas while they look for THE QB.  If Buffalo had the ambition they obviously did to be a top team in the NFL, it was a no brainer to look for better and move on from Tyrod.

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The Buffalo Bills gave Tyrod his shot and he wasn't what we needed. His limitations have been gone over extensively since his time here and in the time he's been gone. If he is claiming he got a raw deal, then that's him being delusional and not realistic with himself. McDermott and Beane both knew he was not the guy. We move up to take Allen in 2018 and the rest is history. 

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I like Tyrod Taylor a lot....but would not want him as my starting QB.  On the other hand, he is a superb backup option.   He had three years starting in Buffalo which were years 5-7 of his career.  He did not get a raw deal, he failed to develop further after his first year starting.  No one got a raw deal, not everyone is a franchise QB, that is ok.

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2 hours ago, ProcessTruster said:

he was/is obviously a great athlete and fun to watch, but he's probably not gonna get any NFL team to the promised land.  guy had a tremendous college career at VT and had/is having a very profitable pro career most QBs would love to have had... basically the typical shorter  (<6') college star whose physical stature did not translate completely to the downfield passing dominated NFL.   but hey he was fun to watch there for awhile...  

I strongly disagree with the "fun to watch" label.  It was maddening to watch his conservative play, especially on third down when he often times refused to take risks.  I remember yelling at the TV for him to throw the damn ball on so many occasions.  He has carved out a very nice career for someone that doesn't seem to have the killer instinct or elite skills that the best QBs have.  

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13 hours ago, SlimShady&#x27;sSpaceForce said:

No. 
 

Tyrod hit his ceiling in his 2nd season. 
 

He was so inept, we had to see Peterman throw 5INTS 

 

We --  Bills fans -- had to see Peterman because Taylor and Peterman -- like Bills fans since 2006 -- were victims of Russ Brandon's profits-first regime as Bills head honcho.   Taylor was released because the Bills intended to draft a QB in the 2018 NFL draft, and Brandon wasn't going to pay for a veteran QB AND a first round rookie QB.

 

It's no accident that the Bills started their turn around after Brandon was axed in 2018.   That's when winning football games became a priority for the Bills.

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I don't really understand how he got a raw deal or what exactly constitutes a raw deal for him? They tried to play to his strengths. They knew he wasn't gonna be a guy who goes out there and chucks it 35 times for 300 yards a game. They led the league in rushing two straight years to try and make Taylor's job a little easier. The dude had some nice deep shots and would thread the needle every now and again but overall he just never became the guy. You win with him, not because of him. 

 

When the chips were down, the dude just wasn't that good. And people remember Fitz more fondly because the dudes are polar opposites in personality. Fitz is a goofball who doesn't seem to take it too seriously. Tyrod is very subdued and quiet and more of the "lead by example" type. 

 

I dunno, man. It seems weird these days that you can't even say certain players just weren't that good and that's why they aren't starters or aren't even in the league anymore. Nah, it can't be that their skill sets just weren't that good or they weren't what a team was looking for in their QB. No, it's a big planned conspiracy to keep certain players down and give them a "raw deal." Good lord, grow up. I used to like Kaplan's stuff but this is dumb. 

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"“It’s always going to be twice as bad just because of who I am – an African-American quarterback,” Taylor said. “Look across the league, man. We’re held to a certain standard. We almost have to be perfect."

 

Blah.  Blah.  Blah.

 

He sucks.

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14 hours ago, GETTOTHE50 said:

how the hell did he get a raw deal again?

 

he won the starting job and played more than he ever had prior to that point.

 

he proved to be career a journeyman/bridge QB and that has held up over the past several seasons

 

And he got a pretty nice contract to boot for him being the starter.

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35 minutes ago, Big Turk said:

 

And he got a pretty nice contract to boot for him being the starter.

 

Yeah for real, he was a perennial backup until he came to Buffalo and got a chance to compete for a starting role, which he did. He came to Buffalo, got the chance to start for a couple of years, got himself a decent bag for playing decently and has parlayed that gig into being a decent, albeit unspectacular, backup/bridge QB later in his career.

 

He didn't get a raw deal, McDermott and the Bills were just done with 'decent'. Decent doesn't get you to the playoffs every year and decent definitely doesn't win you any Super Bowls.

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1 hour ago, clayboy54 said:

Tyrod got a sweet deal from the Biils. He got paid in free agency when the Ravens weren't going to give him a raise. He got a starting job with the Bills when the Ravens had Flacco in his best years. He got his shot, thanks to (and only) the Bills.

 

Like Gonzo said, he failed.

 

Valid perspective.  There are places one can point where he got a bit of a raw deal after McDermott arrived, but the Bills also gave him a rare opportunity and he couldn't take advantage of it in the end.

 

2 hours ago, Bob in STL said:

You are really stretching your story for Tyrod and for Ryan/Roman.  Tyrod got his chance in Buffalo and then some.  
 

The Bills under McDermott gutted the team they inherited from Ryan/Roman and stockpiled draft picks. Even after making the playoffs his first season, McDermott knew the team culture needed to change and that some key vets needed to go.   The only revisionism I am reading here comes from you.    

 

 I'd check the dictionary for the definition of "revisionism",  because it's a fact that Taylor showed a decent deep ball during 2015 and 2016, and it's a fact that offenses in the top-10 and top-12 are typically not described as "easy to defend". 

 

You can counter those points adequately, or you can cling to "it's true because I Say So and anyone who disagrees is a Revisionist".  The latter is not persuasive, but believe whatcha choose.

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13 minutes ago, Buftex said:

The Bills gave him a real opportunity to being a starting QB in the NFL, at a time when few other teams would have.  He was okay, not great.  Any team would have been looking for an upgrade.

 

Basically, Rex bet his HC tenure in Buffalo that he could employ Harbaugh's formula in SF: ride a top defense and a "near top 10" offense into the conference championship, which is what Roman achieved with a limited passing QB (Kaepernick) in San Francisco.  When he couldn't achieve that "top defense" with access to the same guys who got it done the year before he arrived, it was over.

 

It's not clear that's a sustainable formula for winning today.  At least, the Ravens are struggling with it, and their QB is unquestionably a better athlete.

 

1 hour ago, SoTier said:

 

We --  Bills fans -- had to see Peterman because Taylor and Peterman -- like Bills fans since 2006 -- were victims of Russ Brandon's profits-first regime as Bills head honcho.   Taylor was released because the Bills intended to draft a QB in the 2018 NFL draft, and Brandon wasn't going to pay for a veteran QB AND a first round rookie QB.

 

It's no accident that the Bills started their turn around after Brandon was axed in 2018.   That's when winning football games became a priority for the Bills.

 

Errr....there's really no evidence that Brandon was involved in the personnel decisions that brought Peterman to Buffalo.

He was drafted in 2017, by McDermott.

 

Kicking Russ Brandon out of the football decisionmaking seems to have been a condition of hiring McDermott.

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