Bob in STL Posted August 7, 2022 Share Posted August 7, 2022 Robert James. UDFA 1969 Wall of Fame Only played a few years but was dominating with 2x All Pro and 3x Pro Bowl. He was the premier bump-and-run corner; this style lead the league go to the 5 yard contact rule. Many that played against him struggled getting off the line and into the pattern. I think he was a DE in collage at Fisk. A player that could be a force in todays game. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledInIllinois Posted August 7, 2022 Share Posted August 7, 2022 5 hours ago, Mij yllek said: Jason Peters UFA Read my mind! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted August 7, 2022 Share Posted August 7, 2022 1 minute ago, ExiledInIllinois said: Read my mind! I did. And it scared me! 😱 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted August 7, 2022 Share Posted August 7, 2022 46 minutes ago, eball said: Josh Allen #7. It ain’t close. Yup this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted August 7, 2022 Share Posted August 7, 2022 Who was the lowest drafted HOF'er? That's the best value pick. For UDFA's, it's Jason Peters. He'll be a HOF'er but most of it was with other teams. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albany,n.y. Posted August 7, 2022 Share Posted August 7, 2022 (edited) 3 hours ago, JayBaller10 said: You mean Andre Reed in the 4th. What I don’t understand (because I was too young to have any interest in football at the time) is that if the Bills were looking for WR help, why didn’t they pick Jerry Rice at #14 instead of CB Derrick Burroughs? I’ve never even heard of that guy. Granted if they picked Rice they probably wouldn’t have selected Andre Reed later, but I think most, if not all, would make that trade in a heartbeat. Burroughs was a starter at CB before his injury. The Bills originally had pick 7 but traded down with GB to 14. They used the extra 2nd round pick from GB to draft WR Chris Burkett ( pick 42) after taking bust OL Mark Traynowicz at 29, with the 1st pick in the 2nd round. Edited August 7, 2022 by Albany,n.y. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rigotz Posted August 7, 2022 Share Posted August 7, 2022 (edited) 3 pages of comments and nobody has talked about BIG PAT WILLIAMS yet. Undrafted free agent, absolute brick wall. Wish we didn’t let him go to Minny because he continued to be a beast there, just like Winfield. And while we’re in the drought era, can’t believe this man wasn’t mentioned yet either…. FRED JACKSON! Another UDFA who embodied everything good about the team. Edited August 7, 2022 by Rigotz 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Chandler's Hands Posted August 7, 2022 Share Posted August 7, 2022 I love Josh but actually you expect a 7th overall pick to be quite a good player. As a divisive pick (at the time) from Wyoming, he's exceeded expectations even for that lofty draft position for sure. But no way in h*ll do you expect your 4th round receiver from Division 2 Kutztown to make the Hall of Fame. That's called serious excess value vs. draft position. (not that the college really matters in either case but it certainly adds to the story). Tom Sestak in the 16th round is probably #2. Jason Peters, Robert James, and Fred Jackson as UDFA's are amazing but that's a different list. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VaMilBill Posted August 7, 2022 Share Posted August 7, 2022 7 hours ago, LeGOATski said: Taron Johnson, rd 4 Ed Wang, rd 5 My favorite matchup was Wang vs Maybin. Someone on here named it the “stoppable force vs the movable object”. I found that hilarious. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Brown Posted August 7, 2022 Share Posted August 7, 2022 1 hour ago, Rigotz said: 3 pages of comments and nobody has talked about BIG PAT WILLIAMS yet. Undrafted free agent I'm guessing that's why on a value picks thread. Peters, Williams, and Freddie all were great signings. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsShredder83 Posted August 7, 2022 Share Posted August 7, 2022 Tyler Bass. I get its cool mocking drafting of kickers, but these guys lead their teams in points a lot, and the amount of game winning/losing kicks is crazy. Look no further than almost every playoff game in 1st rd ending on GW/losing kicks, 2nd round was high off the top of my head as well. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted August 7, 2022 Share Posted August 7, 2022 10 hours ago, LeGOATski said: Taron Johnson, rd 4 Ed Wang, rd 5 honorable mention to Ross Cockrell Rd4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aussie Joe Posted August 7, 2022 Share Posted August 7, 2022 Couple of Whaley gems from 2016 Cardale Jones Round 4 Kolby Listenbee Round 6 Also gave up a Second and two fourths for Reggie Ragland… Times have certainly changed … Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted August 7, 2022 Share Posted August 7, 2022 16 hours ago, Mij yllek said: Jason Peters UFA A UFA is not a pick. He also came with baggage Eugene Parker. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhoTom Posted August 7, 2022 Share Posted August 7, 2022 I realize that the term "value pick" implies "performance above one's draft slot," but I'd still say Josh at #7 overall was the best value pick. Yes, one would expect a high first-rounder to perform well, but remember that he was the third QB selected and is the only one of those three to still be on the team that drafted him. And given that his presence on the team has attracted free agents like Beas, Diggs, and Miller, not to mention Josh's outstanding field performances, I'd say we've gotten, and will continue to get, amazing value from that pick. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted August 7, 2022 Share Posted August 7, 2022 10 hours ago, Rigotz said: 3 pages of comments and nobody has talked about BIG PAT WILLIAMS yet. Undrafted free agent, absolute brick wall. Wish we didn’t let him go to Minny because he continued to be a beast there, just like Winfield. And while we’re in the drought era, can’t believe this man wasn’t mentioned yet either…. FRED JACKSON! Another UDFA who embodied everything good about the team. Fred was mentioned, but he wasn't really an UDFA. More like a street FA signing (thanks to Marv) after his NFLE days were over. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
machine gun kelly Posted August 7, 2022 Share Posted August 7, 2022 16 hours ago, Ethan in Portland said: With Gabe Davis looking like a solid #2 WR and taken at #128, it got me thinking about best value picks in Bills history. Andre Reed in the 4th has to be #1 but their are some other interesting names. A quick scan of Bills draft history I found several good to great late round picks: Matt Milano 5th Stevie Johnson 7th round Jay Riemersma 7th Mark Maddox 9th Charles Rome 12th Marcus Patton 8th Carlton Bailey 9th Howard Ballard 11th Mark Pike 7th Who am I missing? Ethan, first cool thread. A lot of good choices, but I have recency bias so for me it’s Milano. We extended him as a steal at $11 mil. Polian out of the blue a month ago on his radio show stated the Bills defense is remarkably different when Milano is or is not out there. He stated he still follows the Bills closely and maintains contact with McD in however he can help. The man is such a class act. On a side note, I don’t how to do polls here, but this would have been a good one. Ballard is also an amazing grab. That man was a mountain back when Linemen were not that big. Small vignette. One of my jobs (Buffalo News was the main one) between high school and college was pizza delivery guy for Blasdell Pizza. They used to keep the players back then at the McKinley Park Inn. I delivered a sheet pizza to Ballard’s room. I knew who he was when he opened the door, and asked who else is this for? He said, just me. Yes Mr Ballard. He gave me a nice tip and signed the $5 bill tip. I should’ve kept it, but was a poor kid and probably bought an extra case of Genmy light with my St. Francis buds. Talk about a wall of a man. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ethan in Cleveland Posted August 7, 2022 Author Share Posted August 7, 2022 14 minutes ago, machine gun kelly said: Ethan, first cool thread. A lot of good choices, but I have recency bias so for me it’s Milano. We extended him as a steal at $11 mil. Polian out of the blue a month ago on his radio show stated the Bills defense is remarkably different when Milano is or is not out there. He stated he still follows the Bills closely and maintains contact with McD in however he can help. The man is such a class act. On a side note, I don’t how to do polls here, but this would have been a good one. Ballard is also an amazing grab. That man was a mountain back when Linemen were not that big. Small vignette. One of my jobs (Buffalo News was the main one) between high school and college was pizza delivery guy for Blasdell Pizza. They used to keep the players back then at the McKinley Park Inn. I delivered a sheet pizza to Ballard’s room. I knew who he was when he opened the door, and asked who else is this for? He said, just me. Yes Mr Ballard. He gave me a nice tip and signed the $5 bill tip. I should’ve kept it, but was a poor kid and probably bought an extra case of Genmy light with my St. Francis buds. Talk about a wall of a man. Very cool story. I don't have any outside of football interactions with Bills' players stories. But I have several with Ohio State players before they went into NFL and a great Jim Harbaugh in Amsterdam story! Full disclosure I thought about a poll but there were just too many names to list... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted August 7, 2022 Share Posted August 7, 2022 13 hours ago, John from Riverside said: If running back Jackson is not on the list it’s not a list Fred Jackson was an UDFA from Marv Levy's college and does not go on THIS list. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaybee Posted August 7, 2022 Share Posted August 7, 2022 Although short lived, I thought Nickel Roby was a decent UFA while he was here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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