Training Camp practice 8/2

[chongli]

1 hour ago, Don Otreply said:

 

BMI is not a good measure for athletes that’s for certain, but the other 73.4 percent of the population need to exercise some self respect and stop living on Taco Bell and eating as an activity, pretty darn sad no matter how one spins it…,, have we become a country of fat people…, 

 

1 hour ago, hemma said:

BMI is not always the best of measures.

McKenzie is 5’ 8”, 173 lbs. He’s categorized as Overweight.  

 

Nevertheless, I agree with the unstated premise.

 

You are both right, of course. I might add the criticisms of BMI are mainly because it doesn't take into account body fat percentage or body fat distribution (as well as frame size and sex), including the medical profession. If your BMI is 25.0, my medical offices put an exclamation point or point after the weight, as well as but it it red, lol. But women are less at risk because of a slightly higher BMI since their excess weight is often not around their critical abdominal area. And as you mentioned, BMI is a bad indicator for some athletes, including strength athletes like body builders, powerlifters, and strongmen, with very muscular builds. There are also some minor exceptions, like if you have lost lots of weight and have 10-20 lb. of loose skin (flab) hanging, or if you have kyphosis (like a hunchback), where your height should be calculated along your curve, not linearly.

 

Some publications like The Washington Post, have even asked the question is BMI racist, since being heavier is more common and even expected in some cultures. I don't agree with that. But the article did also mention that the normal weight BMI cut-off point of 25.0 of normal weight into overweight, and 30.0 for overweight into obese is just because they people who designed the tables preferred round numbers in multiples of 5's. There is no reason why 25.0 per se makes you overweight, other than they just designated the tables that way. It probably could just as well be 24.5 or 25.5 or 26.0 or whatever. Not sure what a good number is to choose.

Edited August 3, 2022 by chongli

[Paul Costa]

1 hour ago, YoloinOhio said:

 

I might need to subscribe to Sirius 

SiriusXM is great I listen to the NFL channel daily. Highly recommend 

[stevewin]

8 hours ago, Warcodered said:

Got to think Josh is thinking "This is going to be a thing now isn't." after getting asked to sign his second baby.

It's cheaper than giving away his shoes 

[MiltonWaddams]

40 minutes ago, chongli said:

 

 

You are both right, of course. I might add the criticisms of BMI are mainly because it doesn't take into account body fat percentage or body fat distribution (as well as frame size and sex), including the medical profession. If your BMI is 25.0, my medical offices put an exclamation point or point after the weight, as well as but it it red, lol. But women are less at risk because of a slightly higher BMI since their excess weight is often not around their critical abdominal area. And as you mentioned, BMI is a bad indicator for some athletes, including strength athletes like body builders, powerlifters, and strongmen, with very muscular builds. There are also some minor exceptions, like if you have lost lots of weight and have 10-20 lb. of loose skin (flab) hanging, or if you have kyphosis (like a hunchback), where your height should be calculated along your curve, not linearly.

 

Some publications like The Washington Post, have even asked the question is BMI racist, since being heavier is more common and even expected in some cultures. I don't agree with that. But the article did also mention that the normal weight BMI cut-off point of 25.0 of normal weight into overweight, and 30.0 for overweight into obese is just because they people who designed the tables preferred round numbers in multiples of 5's. There is no reason why 25.0 per se makes you overweight, other than they just designated the tables that way. It probably could just as well be 24.5 or 25.5 or 26.0 or whatever. Not sure what a good number is to choose.

My BMI is 27.9, categorized as overweight. I am 6’5” and 235 pounds… not overweight at all….

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

 

 

[BADOLBILZ]

5 hours ago, Alphadawg7 said:

 

Thats not what I said though.  I said its amusing to watch people complain about something like the defense during the season...then complain about them going out and making it better.  

 

And you know full well you have done your share of posts here complaining about the defense, pass rush, etc.  

 

 

Has anyone complained about adding Von Miller?    Everyone knows that the pass rush unit that Brandon Beane has built here since 2017 has been very disappointing.

 

The question is whether it was really wise to pay 3 OTHER free agent DL starting quality money.......mostly run D first guys.........and then draft a CB in round 1 and a cover LB in round 3 when they had arguably the best secondary and back 7 coverage until in the NFL already?

 

They did A LOT more than address the pass rush on defense this offseason.

 

Of offense they signed a veteran in Saffold who missed 5 games worth of snaps with a chronic shoulder injury last season to replace Daryl Williams(who had played every snap of the season).   Every other veteran addition by the Bills on offense was just an injury flyer discount.

[Buffalo03]

11 hours ago, costrovs said:

 

Mika is it dress but in the corner by the peloton bikes as he is Roger Saffold and 62.

 

WTF did this guy just say?? lol

I thought it was just me 😂

11 hours ago, Beck Water said:

 

This guy can't f*cking tweet for sh*t. Who the hell is he?

[chongli]

31 minutes ago, MiltonWaddams said:

My BMI is 27.9, categorized as overweight. I am 6’5” and 235 pounds… not overweight at all….

 

What a surprise: same as Josh Allen [wry smile]! :-)

[Buffalo Bills Fan]

11 minutes ago, Buffalo03 said:

I thought it was just me 😂

This guy can't f*cking tweet for sh*t. Who the hell is he?

It's all good. Sometimes have to read it twice. Still like his updates for the Bills. 

[Einstein]

Those who have been to camp - Are the Bills running any type of modified Oklahoma drills such as this one that the Titans are running?

 

 

[ScottLaw]

5 hours ago, Alphadawg7 said:

 

I didn't miss your point, I said I watched you complain about the defense and then seen you complaining we have spent money to make the defense better.  

 

And we did address our OL this offseason, you just didn't like the moves, but that isn't saying much because I can't think of anything you ever positive on that the Bills do.

 

Besides just making moves on the OL, one thing that I think is going to help the OL ultimately is the change to Kromer, and thats a move I think that keeps getting forgotten and over looked.  

 

People panicking right now before the starting OL gets to play together is premature.  We have some new additions and a new blocking scheme and new offense in general to install, and the starting unit hasn't taken any reps as a complete group yet.  

 

 

They’ve continuously spent endless money and assets attempting to fix the defense(particularly the defensive line) the past three years while putting the offense on the back burner with hole patching…. They addressed the offensive line by adding a much better coach and a OG who’s demonstrated decline in play. 
 

I’m not “panicking” at all. Would hate to see Allen get hurt and the season go down the tubes because the line couldn’t hold up infront of him….or he turns into Superman again and has to carry/will the team to wins all on his own again. 

[MasterStrategist]

18 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

Has anyone complained about adding Von Miller?    Everyone knows that the pass rush unit that Brandon Beane has built here since 2017 has been very disappointing.

 

The question is whether it was really wise to pay 3 OTHER free agent DL starting quality money.......mostly run D first guys.........and then draft a CB in round 1 and a cover LB in round 3 when they had arguably the best secondary and back 7 coverage until in the NFL already?

 

They did A LOT more than address the pass rush on defense this offseason.

 

Of offense they signed a veteran in Saffold who missed 5 games worth of snaps with a chronic shoulder injury last season to replace Daryl Williams(who had played every snap of the season).   Every other veteran addition by the Bills on offense was just an injury flyer discount.

Von Miller alone wasn't going to fix our Dline issues, although a big piece to our pass rush improvement.

 

How do we forget that Indy, Tennessee, and New England curbed stomped us in the run game.  We needed "physical" guys at DT.  Not to mention, that Beane decided not to pay Harry, released Star, and Butler was a waste.

 

Yes, Beanes "ROI" has been awful at DL.  Thankfully, he's nailed alot of other weaknesses, and the most important of all.  But that doesn't mean give up and stop investing/trying to fix and our biggest "team weaknesses" (pass rush and physicality on DL). Speed at CB, playmakers/weapons, and OL would round out others IMO.

 

We lost to KC last year, including Tenn in reg season, for 1 primary reason.  Our defense couldn't get crucial stops/gave up a TON of yards and points. Yes, offense wasn't perfect, but did more than enough.

 

Not like Beane totally ignored the offensive side of the ball this offseason.  Many signs point to us wanting to be more "multiple" with our offensive looks and packages.  This has been hashed out a million times...

1. skill position weapons: Cook, Howard, Crowder, Shakir, and more PT for Gabe/McKenzie >>>> losing Beas, Manny

2. OL: go read what Morse said earlier in the week re: additions to OL depth.  It would have been great to add a G in round 2/3, value just wasn't there.

 

Finally, re: Elam and Bernard (point about improving an already talented back 7).....this is going to be a very stacked AFC QB group/great offenses.  When all is said and done this season, it will be the team that can find a way to "slow down"/get a few stops against an elite offense in the playoffs that will be moving on.  Something all SB contending teams have had to do...cant win on offense alone and our defense clearly has been an issue against top tier QBs.  Elam and Bernard are going to be important pieces to get us there, Bernard has already been raved about in camp (confident Frazier/McDermott) have ideas to get more "multiple" on defense as well.

[Beck Water]

2 hours ago, YoloinOhio said:

 

 

Is it just me, or is McKenzie double-clutching a couple of those?

[MiltonWaddams]

1 hour ago, chongli said:

 

What a surprise: same as Josh Allen [wry smile]! 🙂

I think he’s a bit bigger than me. I sure don’t have the same size of arms. My legs may be bigger though….

[YattaOkasan]

4 hours ago, Don Otreply said:

It’s Scottlaw, his takes are always entertaining and lack context, I think entertaining is the main thing though. 😂

Had to dunk in the take that unsigned Daryl Williams was as good or better than Saffold. 

4 hours ago, ScottLaw said:

At Tackle? Dudes a HOFer, even at 40 I’d take him over DW. Wtf are you talking about? 😅

You got lost in your Jason peters stuff. I’m here to laugh at your Daryl Williams takes. You say now he wasn’t offering much last year. But that’s not the tune you’ve been singing all off-season.  “If he (Saffold) is an upgrade (to Daryl Williams)…”. 😂. That take is gold  it was June and he was unsigned (still is). 

 

 

Edited August 3, 2022 by YattaOkasan

[Big Turk]

5 hours ago, hemma said:

BMI is not always the best of measures.

McKenzie is 5’ 8”, 173 lbs. He’s categorized as Overweight.  

 

Nevertheless, I agree with the unstated premise.

 

I was considered "obese" based on BMI when I was in elite shape with a six pack and exceptionally muscular. 

 

Pretty much a joke for anyone who works out regularly in the gym with heavy weights and is in good shape

[Scott7975]

6 hours ago, Don Otreply said:

 

BMI is not a good measure for athletes that’s for certain, but the other 73.4 percent of the population need to exercise some self respect and stop living on Taco Bell and eating as an activity, pretty darn sad no matter how one spins it…,, have we become a country of fat people…, 

 

I have always had like a really fast metabolism.  In my teenage to mid 20's I was like 6'2" 160 pounds and ate pretty much all fast food lol.  I didnt start gaining weight until I met my wife and converted to home cooking.  I hardly eat any fast food now and I'm about 200lbs.  I am almost 50 now but I have been that weight since giving up fast food.

 

Not trying to say fast food is healthy or doesnt cause weight gain or anything.  It surely is not healthy.  I just always thought that it was funny I could never gain weight until giving up fast food.  At one point I was even drinking like 3k calorie drinks twice a day with chocolate milk and added bananas and *****.  After about a month of that I gained like 4 pounds.

[ScottLaw]

6 hours ago, YattaOkasan said:

Had to dunk in the take that unsigned Daryl Williams was as good or better than Saffold. 

You got lost in your Jason peters stuff. I’m here to laugh at your Daryl Williams takes. You say now he wasn’t offering much last year. But that’s not the tune you’ve been singing all off-season.  “If he (Saffold) is an upgrade (to Daryl Williams)…”. 😂. That take is gold  it was June and he was unsigned (still is). 

 

 

I said Peters offered MORE at the RT position than both Spencer Brown and Darryl Williams last season…. Meaning he was BETTER than both.  Brown and Williams struggled at tackle in 2021.

 

And my point about Williams is he gives you more flexibility and availability than Saffold does/has… and his pass protection inside was arguably better than what Saffold offered last season…. There’s a reason the Bills paid Williams the money they did prior to last season. 

[Solomon Grundy]

10 hours ago, Einstein said:

Those who have been to camp - Are the Bills running any type of modified Oklahoma drills such as this one that the Titans are running?

 

 

Bull in the ring? 

[Don Otreply]

5 hours ago, Scott7975 said:

 

I have always had like a really fast metabolism.  In my teenage to mid 20's I was like 6'2" 160 pounds and ate pretty much all fast food lol.  I didnt start gaining weight until I met my wife and converted to home cooking.  I hardly eat any fast food now and I'm about 200lbs.  I am almost 50 now but I have been that weight since giving up fast food.

 

Not trying to say fast food is healthy or doesnt cause weight gain or anything.  It surely is not healthy.  I just always thought that it was funny I could never gain weight until giving up fast food.  At one point I was even drinking like 3k calorie drinks twice a day with chocolate milk and added bananas and *****.  After about a month of that I gained like 4 pounds.

At 64 years old, I’m 6’ 4” I go in at 200lbs  , and like you I was slim, 175lbs until I was forty ish and got married… the Mrs was a three meal a day girl back then, I wasn’t, only ate when I was hungry, long term bachelor back then,  now we eat one or two meals a day and eat generally healthy stuff in small quantities in between if we feel like it,  imo if you aren’t being really active there is no reason to eat three traditional meals a day, our bodies haven’t even processed the calories from breakfast yet when we are eating lunch at mid day, let alone eating dinner five hours after that, its no wonder its hard to not get overweight in a country that advertises food 24/7/365, I’m a bit odd maybe, for my eating style. We shifted our lifestyle,  We sold our house and almost all of our belongings and moved onto our sailboat in 2018, (a 1977 Bristol 29.9 hull #17) we sail to the Bahamas every winter, and back again to Connecticut for the summers, it’s a fairly active life style, good adventures, keeps both of us slim, although it’s not always easy to watch the Bills when we are out in the Atlantic Ocean on a small lightly populated island, lol, life is full of comprises…, 

 

Go Bills!!!