Doc Posted July 28, 2022 Share Posted July 28, 2022 What corruption? What a clown. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillStime Posted July 28, 2022 Share Posted July 28, 2022 25 minutes ago, Buffarukus said: ill simply say this country is in the worst shape ive ever seen in my life. middle class is getting crushed under this president and you cant name a SINGLE thing that has gotten better under this administration cause you got duped into advocating every bit of it. lockdowns, vax lies, energy, russia. all of it. so of coarse theres nothing left but switch the topic with your buddies and talk about anything but what todays america looks like under your teams "leadership". theres a reason you fools are isolated in approval polls. smaller and smaller the flock is getting. now full blown recession. hurray. but, but, trump but did you see in 2018 he golfed alot!! yeah bankruptcy whatabout that?? carry on with your trump rants. throw your little meme down and move along. Other than the fact the Trump gave out the largest tax cut to his rich buddies and proudly had OPEC cut oil production during a pandemic that impacts us today - isn’t the entire globe experiencing the same economic hardships as the US? Trump handed off a disaster to Biden and Trumps policies made us worse off today. And what exactly has the party of klan and cult done to help with price gouging at the pump? Small business relief? Nothing - your cult voted against it and put party over country like they ALWAYS do… And as requested: 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffarukus Posted July 28, 2022 Share Posted July 28, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, BillStime said: Other than the fact the Trump gave out the largest tax cut to his rich buddies and proudly had OPEC cut oil production during a pandemic that impacts us today - isn’t the entire globe experiencing the same economic hardships as the US? Trump handed off a disaster to Biden and Trumps policies made us worse off today. And what exactly has the party of klan and cult done to help with price gouging at the pump? Small business relief? Nothing - your cult voted against it and put party over country like they ALWAYS do… And as requested: the entire globe is not experiencing this. mexico has cheaper gas for instance. what. a. embarrassment. we had states in this very country that choose to stay OPEN and you all condemned them to death yet they did just fine. they lied about every single thing on covid and printed trillions based on it and now we are paying the price. pharma stock does pretty well when the feds mandate it. large buisnesses do great when they are the only one allowed open. small..not so much. great job following science. as you say...idiots. biden reversed a ton of trumps policies..why are you even bringing them up? because you need a scapegoat for this destruction. its the ONLY answer that doesn't make you all look really foolish for what you advocated. after demonizing people for years and making THIS!!? this is your great plan? your party is paying for trump candidates! lol. not that you guys have any credability left anyways. https://www.npr.org/2022/07/26/1113816038/ads-from-democratic-groups-boost-the-republican-candidates-that-may-be-easier-to your own team is paying the cult leaders so they can rally their cult to fight a cult as they also support them. nice scheme to keep rubes like you posting about stoping em. worked well for hillary. so keep pushing blame. its all them not you. heavy is the head but at least you all now have a idea how bad things can REALLY get under poor leadership but your too biased to give credit to yourselves for all you have done for the country. Edited July 28, 2022 by Buffarukus Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sherpa Posted July 28, 2022 Share Posted July 28, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, BillStime said: Other than the fact the Trump gave out the largest tax cut to his rich buddies and proudly had OPEC cut oil production during a pandemic that impacts us today A uniquely specious argument, devoid of factual context. The US energy complex was becoming completely independent. The course we were on would have made us completely independent of OPEC supply. The "pandemic" you mention trashed energy demand, and resulted in a situation where there was virtually no storage capability as demand dropped so significantly. Trump negotiated OPEC production declines to protect the US energy complex, while prices were tanking. Biden did exactly the opposite. He enacted an executive order that cancelled the Keystone pipeline and enacted a moratorium on drilling on federal land. Two completely different situations. One attempts to enable and support US production while asking foreign producers to slow production during a price crash. One, through US federal gov action, eliminates domestic production and jobs, horribly timed just before a nut from Russia cuts off a good deal of EU supply, spiking the world market. Two completely different situations. Biden has incredible timing Edited July 28, 2022 by sherpa 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted July 28, 2022 Share Posted July 28, 2022 I’ll say it again, for anyone who wants to listen. Trump simply put the highest income rate back to where it was before Obama raised it due to the Great Recession. With the recession over the upper bracket went from 37.5% back down to 35%. Big deal? Hardly! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted July 28, 2022 Share Posted July 28, 2022 1 hour ago, sherpa said: A uniquely specious argument, devoid of factual context. The US energy complex was becoming completely independent. The course we were on would have made us completely independent of OPEC supply. Interesting, can you post a link I'd like to check that out. Trump also almost went to war with Iran for attack Saudi Arabia Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillStime Posted July 28, 2022 Share Posted July 28, 2022 1 hour ago, Buffarukus said: the entire globe is not experiencing this. mexico has cheaper gas for instance. what. a. embarrassment. we had states in this very country that choose to stay OPEN and you all condemned them to death yet they did just fine. they lied about every single thing on covid and printed trillions based on it and now we are paying the price. pharma stock does pretty well when the feds mandate it. large buisnesses do great when they are the only one allowed open. small..not so much. great job following science. as you say...idiots. biden reversed a ton of trumps policies..why are you even bringing them up? because you need a scapegoat for this destruction. its the ONLY answer that doesn't make you all look really foolish for what you advocated. after demonizing people for years and making THIS!!? this is your great plan? your party is paying for trump candidates! lol. not that you guys have any credability left anyways. https://www.npr.org/2022/07/26/1113816038/ads-from-democratic-groups-boost-the-republican-candidates-that-may-be-easier-to your own team is paying the cult leaders so they can rally their cult to fight a cult as they also support them. nice scheme to keep rubes like you posting about stoping em. worked well for hillary. so keep pushing blame. its all them not you. heavy is the head but at least you all now have a idea how bad things can REALLY get under poor leadership but your too biased to give credit to yourselves for all you have done for the country. 1) Mexico - subsidizes it’s fuel. If they didn’t - it would be way more than the US. https://mexiconewsdaily.com/news/mexico-gas-prices/ While gas prices are indeed lower here than in many countries, the government’s claim that they are among the lowest in the world doesn’t stack up. According to the latest data published by website Global Petrol Prices, which the government cited, gas prices in Mexico are higher than those in almost 60 countries including 10 in the Americas. And if the government didn’t subsidize gasoline, its price would be between 28 and 29 pesos per liter, which would be the eighth highest in the Americas, the newspaper El Financiero reported. 2) So everything is perfect in red states and no died? Great - #winning 3) Id gladly pay more to keep our democracy and strong unlike you insecure freaks craving for a dictatorship. Idiots Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted July 29, 2022 Share Posted July 29, 2022 6 minutes ago, BillStime said: 1) Mexico - subsidizes it’s fuel. If they didn’t - it would be way more than the US. https://mexiconewsdaily.com/news/mexico-gas-prices/ While gas prices are indeed lower here than in many countries, the government’s claim that they are among the lowest in the world doesn’t stack up. According to the latest data published by website Global Petrol Prices, which the government cited, gas prices in Mexico are higher than those in almost 60 countries including 10 in the Americas. And if the government didn’t subsidize gasoline, its price would be between 28 and 29 pesos per liter, which would be the eighth highest in the Americas, the newspaper El Financiero reported. 2) So everything is perfect in red states and no died? Great - #winning 3) Id gladly pay more to keep our democracy and strong unlike you insecure freaks craving for a dictatorship. Idiots Shouldn’t you first have to be old enough to drive before you start to worry about the price of gas? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sherpa Posted July 29, 2022 Share Posted July 29, 2022 (edited) 50 minutes ago, Tiberius said: Interesting, can you post a link I'd like to check that out. Trump also almost went to war with Iran for attack Saudi Arabia Can you not do this work yourself? The Trump negotiated cut in OPEC production was negotiated on or around April 13, 2020. Crude was $53 in Feb of 2030, and $23 in March. Extraction and refinement costs get US fossil, much cleaner burning by the way, at a cost in the barrel more than Saudi oil. Always has. Biden comes in an arbitrarily handcuffs US production to some degree. There is simply no valid, rational disagreement of this. None. Oil is about $105/barrel now, and he goes on a begging trip to Saudi Arabia. The man has simply never gotten anything right. But to the point, the Trump negotiated decrease in OPEC oil production was at a time when the pandemic tanked demand and prices; there were no available storage facilities, tankers were off shore awaiting ports, and the US production was at a severe disadvantage. Late edit, I'm not sure where you get information that Trump "almost went to war with Iran," but that's an entirely different subject. Edited July 29, 2022 by sherpa Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted July 29, 2022 Share Posted July 29, 2022 27 minutes ago, sherpa said: Can you not do this work yourself? The Trump negotiated cut in OPEC production was negotiated on or around April 13, 2020. Crude was $53 in Feb of 2030, and $23 in March. Extraction and refinement costs get US fossil, much cleaner burning by the way, at a cost in the barrel more than Saudi oil. Always has. Biden comes in an arbitrarily handcuffs US production to some degree. There is simply no valid, rational disagreement of this. None. Oil is about $105/barrel now, and he goes on a begging trip to Saudi Arabia. The man has simply never gotten anything right. But to the point, the Trump negotiated decrease in OPEC oil production was at a time when the pandemic tanked demand and prices; there were no available storage facilities, tankers were off shore awaiting ports, and the US production was at a severe disadvantage. Late edit, I'm not sure where you get information that Trump "almost went to war with Iran," but that's an entirely different subject. No, you said we were becoming completely energy independent. I'd like to know more about that 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted July 29, 2022 Share Posted July 29, 2022 37 minutes ago, sherpa said: Can you not do this work yourself? The Trump negotiated cut in OPEC production was negotiated on or around April 13, 2020. Crude was $53 in Feb of 2030, and $23 in March. Extraction and refinement costs get US fossil, much cleaner burning by the way, at a cost in the barrel more than Saudi oil. Always has. Biden comes in an arbitrarily handcuffs US production to some degree. There is simply no valid, rational disagreement of this. None. Oil is about $105/barrel now, and he goes on a begging trip to Saudi Arabia. The man has simply never gotten anything right. But to the point, the Trump negotiated decrease in OPEC oil production was at a time when the pandemic tanked demand and prices; there were no available storage facilities, tankers were off shore awaiting ports, and the US production was at a severe disadvantage. Late edit, I'm not sure where you get information that Trump "almost went to war with Iran," but that's an entirely different subject. When he killed Iran's "revered military leader" Soleimani. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffarukus Posted July 29, 2022 Share Posted July 29, 2022 (edited) 4 hours ago, BillStime said: 1) Mexico - subsidizes it’s fuel. If they didn’t - it would be way more than the US. https://mexiconewsdaily.com/news/mexico-gas-prices/ While gas prices are indeed lower here than in many countries, the government’s claim that they are among the lowest in the world doesn’t stack up. According to the latest data published by website Global Petrol Prices, which the government cited, gas prices in Mexico are higher than those in almost 60 countries including 10 in the Americas. And if the government didn’t subsidize gasoline, its price would be between 28 and 29 pesos per liter, which would be the eighth highest in the Americas, the newspaper El Financiero reported. 2) So everything is perfect in red states and no died? Great - #winning 3) Id gladly pay more to keep our democracy and strong unlike you insecure freaks craving for a dictatorship. Idiots 1)so people coming from america to buy mexican fuel is not injecting dollars into the economy. maybe we are subsidizing their fuel as we run to patronize them for a bit of relief. either way sounds like having cheap gas is a good investment, unlike subsidizing batteries we have no infrastructure for. https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-07-25/american-drivers-score-3-11-a-gallon-gas-over-border-in-mexico "subsidies that his government put into place for both customers and companies will cost an estimated $24 billion this year, but officials say they’ve been able to cover the price with revenue from crude oil sales." 2) bout same deaths without all the small buisness shuttering, firing of workers and hysterics of doom and gloom over vax lies and strapping useless cloth on peoples faces. imagine that was the whole country united when clear evidence was shown. 3) hmm so following lies that are from the government to padlock parks, fire workers, bolster mega corporations and force pharmacy monopolies to inject folks...completely free of any responsibility with fed blessing is democracy. hmmm. and billstime is happy to pay it but what about the people having to choose between kids lunches and gas for work? well billstime doesnt care. hes happy so should you be to serve our great leader. pay up! as everyone knows. idiots forcing people to do things under complete utter lies by the state to destroy the country they live in is the best form of democracy. 👍 Edited July 29, 2022 by Buffarukus Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brueggs Posted July 29, 2022 Share Posted July 29, 2022 13 hours ago, Tiberius said: No, you said we were becoming completely energy independent. I'd like to know more about that Try reading from sources other than the ones that have convinced you there is only a singular way of thinking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
All_Pro_Bills Posted July 29, 2022 Share Posted July 29, 2022 18 minutes ago, Brueggs said: Try reading from sources other than the ones that have convinced you there is only a singular way of thinking. One of my favorite bloggers. https://kunstler.com/cluster*****-nation/playing-chicken-with-the-fates/ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillStime Posted July 29, 2022 Share Posted July 29, 2022 19 hours ago, Brueggs said: I agree that there is some level of corruption in every administration, but it could easily be argued that the current administration is considerably more corrupt. Trump was a businessman, and at least had some plausible conflicts of interest. No other president I can recall was in a similar position. Can you honestly say that you don't believe that Biden has corrupt dealings in China and Ukraine? His dealings were purely based in political influence and not pre-existing outside business. If you don't see anything there, it could easily be argued that you have been fooled more than once... So you didn’t want to highlight all the factual Biden corruption? 18 hours ago, Doc said: What corruption? What a clown. Hey qDoc - can you please list all the Joe Biden corruption? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted July 29, 2022 Share Posted July 29, 2022 3 hours ago, Brueggs said: Try reading from sources other than the ones that have convinced you there is only a singular way of thinking. So point me to a source that says Trump was getting us towards energy independence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillStime Posted July 29, 2022 Share Posted July 29, 2022 6 minutes ago, Tiberius said: So point me to a source that says Trump was getting us towards energy independence. Right around the time NO ONE was driving during a global pandemic. #winning duh 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JDHillFan Posted July 29, 2022 Share Posted July 29, 2022 13 minutes ago, Tiberius said: So point me to a source that says Trump was getting us towards energy independence. https://www.eia.gov/energyexplained/us-energy-facts/imports-and-exports.php The United States became a net total energy exporter in 2019 for the first time since 1952 For you and Billstime that’s a period of 67 years. No need to thank me. It’s probably just something that happened by accident and had nothing to do with Orange Man energy policies. Also happened prior to COVID out of pure happenstance. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boatdrinks Posted July 29, 2022 Share Posted July 29, 2022 18 hours ago, SoCal Deek said: I’ll say it again, for anyone who wants to listen. Trump simply put the highest income rate back to where it was before Obama raised it due to the Great Recession. With the recession over the upper bracket went from 37.5% back down to 35%. Big deal? Hardly! Let’s not allow facts to get in the way of a liberal narrative, Deek! 3 hours ago, Brueggs said: Try reading from sources other than the ones that have convinced you there is only a singular way of thinking. For Tibs there IS only a singular way of thinking : the wrong way! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brueggs Posted July 29, 2022 Share Posted July 29, 2022 3 hours ago, BillStime said: So you didn’t want to highlight all the factual Biden corruption? Hey qDoc - can you please list all the Joe Biden corruption? For what, you're not really interested. If you were, its very easy to find. I've always liked the video where Biden was bragging about having the Ukraine prosecutor fired for investigating his son. You probably won't find it on Twitter... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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