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2 minutes ago, ChiGoose said:


Ok, so I literally just laid out why this is wrong and also not what the Left is saying but you went with a straw man anyway because it makes you feel good or whatever. 
 

At this point, I can’t tell if the Trumpists here are just acting in bad faith or have serious reading comprehension problems. 

You laid it all out? 😂  Check out the time stamp, and settle down Mr. AntsInpants.  

 


 

 

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9 minutes ago, ChiGoose said:


Ok, so I literally just laid out why this is wrong and also not what the Left is saying but you went with a straw man anyway because it makes you feel good or whatever. 
 

At this point, I can’t tell if the Trumpists here are just acting in bad faith or have serious reading comprehension problems. 

How come anyone who disagrees with  the Establishment is a Trumper or MAGA? The Establishment has been around long before Trump and will be around long after Trump…

 

You don’t have to be a supporter of Trump to see what’s happening…Many progressives and liberals feel the same way- And they can’t stand Trump…

 

But I know, I know- you need a name and a face to represent the opposition, regardless…This is why anyone who opposes the Establishment is called a Nazi or white supreacist, whether they are black or progressive…👍

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3 minutes ago, JaCrispy said:

How come anyone who disagrees with  the Establishment is a Trumper or MAGA? The Establishment has been around long before Trump and will be around long after Trump…

 

You don’t have to be a supporter of Trump to see what’s happening…Many progressives and liberals feel the same way- And they can’t stand Trump…

 

But I know, I know- you need a name and a face to represent the opposition, regardless…This is why anyone who opposes the Establishment is called a Nazi or white supreacist, whether they are black or progressive…👍

 

Like I said before, it's the same playbook, just a different boogeyman.  But this boogeyman will last for a long time, even years after his death.  He broke them.

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1 hour ago, JaCrispy said:

How come anyone who disagrees with  the Establishment is a Trumper or MAGA? The Establishment has been around long before Trump and will be around long after Trump…

 

You don’t have to be a supporter of Trump to see what’s happening…Many progressives and liberals feel the same way- And they can’t stand Trump…

 

But I know, I know- you need a name and a face to represent the opposition, regardless…This is why anyone who opposes the Establishment is called a Nazi or white supreacist, whether they are black or progressive…👍

My observations of how the establishment functions and why it does what it does are based on a conclusion there are two Americas.  One is the country.  The other is the Empire.  The country was established after the American Revolution.  The Empire was established after WW2 when the US was the strongest and least impacted major country.  This coincided with the Bretton Woods agreement that transferred the reserve currency role from the British Pound to the US dollar.  The role of world empire was transferred along with the currency.  This marked the origins of the establishment. 

 

While the official government serves the needs of the citizens the establishment serves to address the needs of the Empire.  Political parties are irrelevant to the establishment.  Being in one or the other doesn't automatically include or exclude anyone.  But every 2 and 4 years politicians' campaign with promises and positions to sever the country but most of them when elected serve the empire and the establishment.  As long as politicians serve the establishment they are looked upon as "patriots" and "virtuous".  Anyone putting the needs of American the country before the needs of the Empire is labeled and isolationist or worse, an agent of foreign powers.  

 

The reason the establishment hates, and fears Trump is simple. It has nothing to do with a few boxes of documents and the forever excuse of "national security" or his role with 1/6.  If he served the establishment these transgressions would be overlooked and brushed aside.

 

But he's the only President to get elected since WW2 that has vowed to serve the interests of America the nation rather than the needs of America the Empire.  America First.  There it is!  Not engage in foreign adventures not maintaining 300 military bases worldwide, not to defend the far reaches of the world and vital interest of elites and globalists.  This American First threat must be eliminated through whatever means necessary.  But the bigger threat to the establishment is the 80 million and growing number of citizens that view it as the problem.   To address this threat the propaganda mill and the intelligence state run 24/7 demonizing anyone that dares to defy the empire.  All Empires rise and fall and America's will be no different.  My guess is what we've been experiencing the last 6+ years is the first couple innings of the falling process.  

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2 hours ago, All_Pro_Bills said:

My observations of how the establishment functions and why it does what it does are based on a conclusion there are two Americas.  One is the country.  The other is the Empire.  The country was established after the American Revolution.  The Empire was established after WW2 when the US was the strongest and least impacted major country.  This coincided with the Bretton Woods agreement that transferred the reserve currency role from the British Pound to the US dollar.  The role of world empire was transferred along with the currency.  This marked the origins of the establishment. 

 

While the official government serves the needs of the citizens the establishment serves to address the needs of the Empire.  Political parties are irrelevant to the establishment.  Being in one or the other doesn't automatically include or exclude anyone.  But every 2 and 4 years politicians' campaign with promises and positions to sever the country but most of them when elected serve the empire and the establishment.  As long as politicians serve the establishment they are looked upon as "patriots" and "virtuous".  Anyone putting the needs of American the country before the needs of the Empire is labeled and isolationist or worse, an agent of foreign powers.  

 

The reason the establishment hates, and fears Trump is simple. It has nothing to do with a few boxes of documents and the forever excuse of "national security" or his role with 1/6.  If he served the establishment these transgressions would be overlooked and brushed aside.

 

But he's the only President to get elected since WW2 that has vowed to serve the interests of America the nation rather than the needs of America the Empire.  America First.  There it is!  Not engage in foreign adventures not maintaining 300 military bases worldwide, not to defend the far reaches of the world and vital interest of elites and globalists.  This American First threat must be eliminated through whatever means necessary.  But the bigger threat to the establishment is the 80 million and growing number of citizens that view it as the problem.   To address this threat the propaganda mill and the intelligence state run 24/7 demonizing anyone that dares to defy the empire.  All Empires rise and fall and America's will be no different.  My guess is what we've been experiencing the last 6+ years is the first couple innings of the falling process.  

Absolutely!

 

In addition, after WW2, the NSA and CIA were created, which in turn, created a “break away civilization” of federal bureaucracies that were not beholden to constitutional oversights and limitations…This is the beginning of what people today refer to as the Deep State…

 

I also wonder if assassination of JFK and attempted assassination of Reagan were because they were not part of the Establishment?  

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23 minutes ago, JaCrispy said:

Absolutely!

 

In addition, after WW2, the NSA and CIA were created, which in turn, created a “break away civilization” of federal bureaucracies that were not beholden to constitutional oversights and limitations…This is the beginning of what people today refer to as the Deep State…

 

I also wonder if assassination of JFK and attempted assassination of Reagan were because they were not part of the Establishment?  

They weren’t??

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4 hours ago, ChiGoose said:


It’s the establishment narrative because it’s the truth. You are taking small bits of facts (Biden got the prosecutor fired and Hunter worked for Burisma) and connecting them with falsehoods. 
 

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2020/10/21/fact-check-joe-biden-leveraged-ukraine-aid-oust-corrupt-prosecutor/5991434002/
 

Ukraine had a ton of corruption but their prosecutor wasn’t doing much about it. The Obama administration and our European Allie’s wanted Shokin gone so that someone could come in and actually prosecute corruption. 
 

At that time, Hunter was not under investigation so removing the prosecutor would have no impact on him. If anything, it would increase the chances he would be investigated. 
 

Hunter seems like a real piece of crap,  and if he broke the law he should pay for it, but this narrative about the Ukrainian prosecutor has no basis in reality. 

It is an interesting thought process you have- recognition that the Ukraine has an extremely corrupt government and in particular Burisma, the corrupt people wanted Shokin gone  by July of 2015 after his appointment to the position in February of 2015. Recognition that Hunter Biden, with no actual qualifications for the Burisma board, was on the board anyways. recognition that Biden requested Shokin be fired after 10 months but anyone who questions the narrative that Biden is innocent has no "basis in reality". Your cognitive dissonance is a thing to marvel at.

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1 hour ago, JaCrispy said:

I don’t know…why was the CIA trying to take them out? Honest question…

I’d have thought at least with Reagan they could have finished the job if they were really into it. 

but I have a tough time thinking a California governor and a Kennedy weren’t establishment. 

 

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30 minutes ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said:

I’d have thought at least with Reagan they could have finished the job if they were really into it. 

but I have a tough time thinking a California governor and a Kennedy weren’t establishment. 

 

I understand…I have thought the same…just curious- especially since CIA Bush Sr. was next in line…but who knows…

 

Maybe it persuaded Reagan to go along with the program…but again, just wondering out loud…

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22 hours ago, JaCrispy said:

How come anyone who disagrees with  the Establishment is a Trumper or MAGA? The Establishment has been around long before Trump and will be around long after Trump…

 

You don’t have to be a supporter of Trump to see what’s happening…Many progressives and liberals feel the same way- And they can’t stand Trump…

 

But I know, I know- you need a name and a face to represent the opposition, regardless…This is why anyone who opposes the Establishment is called a Nazi or white supreacist, whether they are black or progressive…👍

I think Chi believes when he used the word “literally” it ended the conversation, and when linking to USA Today fact-checkers it’s basically the Crane Technique of internet political discussions.    
 

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