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1 hour ago, ScottLaw said:

They have nobody that can play outside if Gabe or Diggs get hurt… so it is a legitimate concern if Davis doesn’t step up or one of the two get hurt.


Think you are slightly overrating the skills players on this team….. I’d put them around the middle of the league as a group on paper.

 

 

Yes, I guess in that scenario, or worse if both of them get hurt at the same time, then it puts the team in a bind for outside help. But isn't that likely the case with every single NFL team and their top 2 wide receivers? What team exactly has a never ending supply of outside burners? I'm not arguing with the obvious fact that if everybody gets hurt then you have a problem, I'm arguing with the comparison to reality and all other teams. And hey, we don't really even know if we have nobody in this scenario, that's what the 5th round pick and the other players that are getting discounted in this thread are for.

 

It's a weird point to bring up frankly. Similar to, if both Josh and Case Keenum get hurt, we might have some QB trouble...

 

Also what's your example of a top of the league skill player assembly, if this group, with a +1 best in the league QB boost, is only middle of the pack? The Chiefs? Certainly not post Hill. The Colts lol?

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8 hours ago, Nelius said:

The end of that article is pretty ridiculous, as if every team has 5+ top grade weapons at WR. You really just need a bunch of unique and/or explosive guys after a couple of all-world weapons, and that's exactly what we have. Oh but they only have a 5th round rookie, and Jamison Crowder, and Isaiah McKenzie...oh and Dawson Knox, and Motor, and James Cook. And again this is all assuming Gabe takes a step back and I don't know why anybody would think that. And it glosses over the fact that Diggs is absolutely an outside threat. Uh, one of the best in the league in fact, so it's pretty convenient to not really nail that point home.

 

Gabe is a #2. Legit. Upside is a #1 on another team which is the most concerning thing about him really, gonna need to pay. And even if he gets hurt or fails to meet expectations there are plenty of bodies to pick up the slack.

 

I expect more of these more or less contrarian articles poking holes in our roster as we get closer to the start of the season now that we're near the top of SB favorites. "The Bills have surrounded Josh Allen with 8 weapons, but will that be enough?" or "Are the Bills relying too much on Josh Allen?" etc etc etc

 

I also find it annoying that every fantasy talking head and their mother really likes to discount Jamison Crowder apparently. The guy was a lock for 60-70 catches and a target hog when healthy with the effing Jets. And now he has the best QB in the league. I'm expecting him to blow away Cole's contributions.

 

I completely disagree that we have plenty of bodies to pick up the slack if Gabe or Diggs go down for any period of time.  I'm honestly shocked we haven't addressed outside WR and are going into the season with Shakir and Kumerow as the outside depth.

 

Shakir is more of a chess piece than a true outside WR, which is a big part of the reason he fell to the 5th Round. 

 

Kumerow is a guy who is what he is... depth journeyman WR who plays Special Teams.  

 

Then we have three slot guys in Crowder, McKenzie and Austin (if he makes the team).  Four if we count Cook as a WR option.  All can flex outside, but are better suited inside.

 

Stevenson is a true outside WR, but likely does not make the 53 unless he really impresses.  

 

We have a lot of weapons, but are bizarrely thin at outside WR for a team that throws the ball like we do.  I'm sure we have a plan, but from the outside looking in, it's quite perplexing.  

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56 minutes ago, Nelius said:

Also what's your example of a top of the league skill player assembly, if this group, with a +1 best in the league QB boost, is only middle of the pack? The Chiefs? Certainly not post Hill. The Colts lol?

 

I've brought this up numerous times with no response.

Add the Bengals.  They have a great top 3 (Boyd, Chase, Higgins) after that they have nobody.

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8 minutes ago, SCBills said:

We have a lot of weapons, but are bizarrely thin at outside WR for a team that throws the ball like we do.

We are thin for a team with SB aspirations and the 1 seed in sight. We are a Diggs injury away from having a very mediocre WR corp. Can Davis be a #1 for a few weeks if Diggs goes down? Replacing Cole and Sanders with Crowder and McK feels like a drop off.

 

My only hope is that the addition of Howard makes up some of the difference. But I would hate for WR depth to hurt our chances at a 1-seed.

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1 minute ago, jletha said:

We are thin for a team with SB aspirations and the 1 seed in sight. We are a Diggs injury away from having a very mediocre WR corp. Can Davis be a #1 for a few weeks if Diggs goes down? Replacing Cole and Sanders with Crowder and McK feels like a drop off.

 

My only hope is that the addition of Howard makes up some of the difference. But I would hate for WR depth to hurt our chances at a 1-seed.

 

Howard is definitely an upgrade at TE2, even if he isn't what some of us are hoping.  

 

Cook could be an absolute monster in this Offense.  Huge, massive upgrade in the RB room.

 

Our running game should also be much better this year with the addition of Saffold, hopeful development of Bates/Brown and Kromer as OL Coach.  

 

Sanders didn't give us much last year, so elevating Davis (who's potential is pretty high) gives us a 3-wide, at least as potent as last year.. with guys we could reasonably view as upgrades in Crowder and Davis.

 

Overall, I think this Offense got much better in the Offseason... but Outside WR is a glaring issue once you get past Diggs/Davis, unless they believe they can just split slot guys out wide in this Offense and/or Shakir's rookie year plans are him taking on the Gabe Davis rookie/sophomore year role.  

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About not having top-level depth behind Diggs and Davis -- I think the Bills would have used their second round pick on a WR if the RB from Washington hadn't backed out.  When he did, the Bills needed to spend a second on a pass-catching RB. 

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1 hour ago, SCBills said:

 

Howard is definitely an upgrade at TE2, even if he isn't what some of us are hoping.  

 

Cook could be an absolute monster in this Offense.  Huge, massive upgrade in the RB room.

 

Our running game should also be much better this year with the addition of Saffold, hopeful development of Bates/Brown and Kromer as OL Coach.  

 

Sanders didn't give us much last year, so elevating Davis (who's potential is pretty high) gives us a 3-wide, at least as potent as last year.. with guys we could reasonably view as upgrades in Crowder and Davis.

 

Overall, I think this Offense got much better in the Offseason... but Outside WR is a glaring issue once you get past Diggs/Davis, unless they believe they can just split slot guys out wide in this Offense and/or Shakir's rookie year plans are him taking on the Gabe Davis rookie/sophomore year role.  

My guess is they have Sanders on speed dial if Davis/Diggs go down…. Not really a great option but better than the alternative… still wish they did more there but maybe OBJ or Julio is on their radar in case of injury/underperformance. 

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I think two things are true.

1.) The Bills' depth at outside WR is not good. If Diggs or Davis go down, the remaining options are undesirable.

2.) Not many top offenses in the NFL have good depth at outside WR. There are very few teams who, if their #1 or #2 receiver go down, are going to be able to insert a backup and not miss a beat.

So I agree with @ScottLaw and others who say that our outside WR depth is not good overall. On the other hand, I can't point to very many good teams who DO have great depth at that position.

Personally, I'd like to see them take a chance on Will Fuller. I realize that he has been a walking injury himself. IF -- and that's a big "if" -- he's healthy, he'd be a good flyer to take. He's a quality deep threat and is still 28 years old, as opposed to Sanders and Hilton and Jones, who are all on their last legs.

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3 hours ago, Nelius said:

 

Yes, I guess in that scenario, or worse if both of them get hurt at the same time, then it puts the team in a bind for outside help. But isn't that likely the case with every single NFL team and their top 2 wide receivers? What team exactly has a never ending supply of outside burners? I'm not arguing with the obvious fact that if everybody gets hurt then you have a problem, I'm arguing with the comparison to reality and all other teams. And hey, we don't really even know if we have nobody in this scenario, that's what the 5th round pick and the other players that are getting discounted in this thread are for.

 

It's a weird point to bring up frankly. Similar to, if both Josh and Case Keenum get hurt, we might have some QB trouble...

 

Also what's your example of a top of the league skill player assembly, if this group, with a +1 best in the league QB boost, is only middle of the pack? The Chiefs? Certainly not post Hill. The Colts lol?

Just off the top of my head I’d rank the Dolphins, Bengals, Bucs, Broncos, Chargers, Rams, Raiders,  Dallas ahead of the Bills… possibly Saints, Seahawks, And Eagles as well.

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4 minutes ago, ScottLaw said:

Just off the top of my head I’d rank the Dolphins, Bengals, Bucs, Broncos, Chargers, Rams, Raiders,  Dallas ahead of the Bills… possibly Saints, Seahawks, And Eagles as well.

 

So if Diggs and Gabe are Hill and Waddle, then exactly what depth do the Dolphins have beyond them, which is your argument? Could probably extend that to the rest of the teams mentioned.

 

I'm so over the Broncos hype btw - apparently the extremely disappointing Jerry Jeudy, often missing Courtland Sutton, and Tim Patrick who is essentially a modern day Josh Reed are more feared than our skill players?

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1 minute ago, Nelius said:

 

So if Diggs and Gabe are Hill and Waddle, then exactly what depth do the Dolphins have beyond them, which is your argument? Could probably extend that to the rest of the teams mentioned.

 

I'm so over the Broncos hype btw - apparently the extremely disappointing Jerry Jeudy, often missing Courtland Sutton, and Tim Patrick who is essentially a modern day Josh Reed are more feared than our skill players?

Hill and Waddle> Diggs/Davis.

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On 6/27/2022 at 2:20 PM, Freddie's Dead said:

 

The JAX game is still a blur.  The play by play lists two INC to Gabe.  I remember Dropsome Knox re-emerging with four huge drops, each of which would have been a 1st down.  The Jests game is also a blur.

He dropped a ball that at least would've put us in position to tie on the final failed drive.  Still can't believe we lost to the darn Jaguars.

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1 hour ago, ScottLaw said:

Hill and Waddle> Diggs/Davis.

 

He was talking about depth...which you were too.

 

Cedric Wilson, Trent Sheffield, Lynn Bowden Jr and Erik Ezukanma are the back ups at WR for the Dolphins.  You're right.  If Hill and Waddle go down, the Dolphins will be fine at WR. 

2 hours ago, Nelius said:

 

So if Diggs and Gabe are Hill and Waddle, then exactly what depth do the Dolphins have beyond them, which is your argument? Could probably extend that to the rest of the teams mentioned.

 

I'm so over the Broncos hype btw - apparently the extremely disappointing Jerry Jeudy, often missing Courtland Sutton, and Tim Patrick who is essentially a modern day Josh Reed are more feared than our skill players?

 

All 32 teams in the NFL, if there top 2 WR's went down, they're all going to be hurting.  

2 hours ago, ScottLaw said:

Just off the top of my head I’d rank the Dolphins, Bengals, Bucs, Broncos, Chargers, Rams, Raiders,  Dallas ahead of the Bills… possibly Saints, Seahawks, And Eagles as well.

 

You can't name the depth of all these teams WR's.  You're just simply just throwing teams out there.

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2 hours ago, Nelius said:

 

So if Diggs and Gabe are Hill and Waddle, then exactly what depth do the Dolphins have beyond them, which is your argument? Could probably extend that to the rest of the teams mentioned.

 

I'm so over the Broncos hype btw - apparently the extremely disappointing Jerry Jeudy, often missing Courtland Sutton, and Tim Patrick who is essentially a modern day Josh Reed are more feared than our skill players?

My original response was in response to your last paragraph where you asked examples of top of the league skill player assembly… I gave you teams I think are better assembled than the Bills.

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1 hour ago, Royale with Cheese said:

 

He was talking about depth...which you were too.

 

Cedric Wilson, Trent Sheffield, Lynn Bowden Jr and Erik Ezukanma are the back ups at WR for the Dolphins.  You're right.  If Hill and Waddle go down, the Dolphins will be fine at WR. 

 

All 32 teams in the NFL, if there top 2 WR's went down, they're all going to be hurting.  

 

You can't name the depth of all these teams WR's.  You're just simply just throwing teams out there.

I wasn’t talking about both Diggs and Davis getting hurt… I was suggesting if EITHER one of Davis/Diggs gets hurt or Davis doesn’t live up to the hype the Bills will have issues outside as the author of the OPs article also suggested …. and not all 32 NFL teams are equal in depth. 

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9 hours ago, ScottLaw said:

My original response was in response to your last paragraph where you asked examples of top of the league skill player assembly… I gave you teams I think are better assembled than the Bills.

 

Gotcha, but I don't know man. I can listen to the argument that Hill/Waddle are better than Diggs/Davis - although both groups should get a bump or a minus due their QB situation. I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if Diggs/Davis have much better stats at end of year. Regardless, I still don't think that the Dolphins have a better overall depth chart on offense than we do. And I certainly don't think Philly does. Philly?! I'd put the Bills in the top 10. I think a few of your choices (Dallas, TB) are probably correct.

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14 hours ago, jletha said:

Replacing Cole and Sanders with Crowder and McK feels like a drop off.

 

Currently unsigned 33 year old Cole Beasley and currently unsigned 35 year old Emmanuel Sanders? Or like versions of them from the past that no longer exist?

 

Sorry, not trying to be rude. I just don't see why going younger and faster is an issue? Cole and Sanders probably will never play again unless there's some WR emergency. I could actually see Sanders joining a team before Beasley.

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