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Epenesa, Ford & Moss -Are they outta here?


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Ford agree could be gone, depends how many lineman they keep and likely come down to him, Mantz, and VanRoten.  IMO they will keep two of the three.  Ford has been given multiple chances and so far hasn't worked out.  The one thing Ford has going for him is a relatively cheap contract, though don't know how that compares with the other two as believe Ford is due about $2.5 mil this season.

 

Epenesa and Moss likely are safe this year.  They've never really been penciled in as the starter as there was someone else on the roster who was perceived to be better whereas Ford was given the chance to start and failed at 2 different positions.  No shame in being beating out by a 1st rounder or well seasoned vets.

 

Epenesa and Moss also has had a rough road to the NFL in that no rookie mini camp or pre-season games their first year.  Thought even in year 2 there were still some restrictions.    Anyone drafted two years ago has had a tougher time, some have worked out, some have taken longer.  Also seems like Epenesa still hasn't figured out what the correct weight is he should be playing at to be strong enough, but not give up speed.  Could argue they have 1.5 season of NFL experience at this point.

 

Moss also has advantage as on paper gives the Bills RB room something that none of the others in that room possess, size!  For that reason he likely will stick.  Duke Johnson would have to clearly bet him out for him to be cut.  Epenesa on the other hand doesn't really give them anything different than their other DE's have.  So for him while I think this season he's safe, he will need to take a big step forward to make it to season 4 with the team.

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Epenesa is gonna get plenty of chances so hopefully he makes the best of it. 

 

They like Moss and Ford both quite a bit. Beane talked about Moss at the end of the year press conference and said that Moss had surgery on his left ankle before last season and was struggling with it for most of the season. Maybe with a full off season to rest it will benefit him. He started off alright last year, had like four TDs in four games and a couple of nice goal line runs, one where he ran over a Dolphins defender was pretty good. If I had to guess, their ideal RB group would be Singletary, Cook, and Moss. 

 

Ford almost got Josh killed by Washington last season. That was rough. However, towards the end of the season he played quite a bit better than he had earlier in the year. Don't know if that's because the competition wasn't so great or he just had a good day but this is definitely his make or break year. Maybe Kromer finds a way to get something out of him. Pretty sure the guard spots will be Bates and Saffold with Ford as the primary backup. 

 

Honestly, the only one that I think that's really on the bubble is Ford. 

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On 6/24/2022 at 7:50 AM, Bill from NYC said:

I don't like to call posters out by name but as far as Jauron, there was one poster who defended him for years. He is either gone or has changed his screen name. The Whitner pick? MANY posters defended this pick, stating that he was "good;" as if this justified the selection. 

Bill, I agree we should have healthy conversation.  When the Bills drafted Whitner instead of you "gotta N'Gata" I was confused.  At the time, I was into researching the draft aggressively.  When the Bill selected Whitner, I said "who".

 

I was not researching Safeties for the 8 slot at the time.  I thought it was  a 2nd round position.

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Not only that, he was the second safety selected. He also had a domestic incident while at training camp, was a holdout, and collected approx. 36 million dollars in salary, all in real cap dollars. 

I heard Levy say on the Sirius NFL Channel that he turned down "numerous trade offers" for that pick. 

Sad but true.

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Doesn't deserve its own thread...and wasn't sure where to post this but a discussion about young players that might get cut seems like the best option.  I keep seeing a really annoying headline posted different places that says "Bills release Devin Singletary hype video" so of course every damn time I read the part that says "Bills release Singletary" and wonder what the hell happened.  They might as well link the headline to that picture of Peter Pan.

 

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No.  I think Ford is the closest to the door.  Moss and Epenesa have modest contracts and both have flashed as starting caliber players.  Honestly, during the drought years all would be obvious starters now they are in the 40’s maybe 50 in roster rank. 

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All three have modest contracts, none of them get out right cut, I can see Beane working one of them in a trade deal, we all know our GM & HC don’t give up on high draft picks when they are still in their first contracts…, 

 

Go Bills!!!

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On 6/27/2022 at 1:53 PM, Bill from NYC said:

Not only that, he was the second safety selected. He also had a domestic incident while at training camp, was a holdout, and collected approx. 36 million dollars in salary, all in real cap dollars. 

I heard Levy say on the Sirius NFL Channel that he turned down "numerous trade offers" for that pick. 

Sad but true.

Further proof that Levy while a good HC was a horrible GM. 

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I'm 100% keeping Moss.  I'll trust Beane when he referenced him still dealing with the aftereffects of his injury last year.  Moss looked good in his rookie year and I'd rather have him as an option in 2023 playing for a contract should Singletary walk.  

 

Epenesa.. this guy was viewed as a top 10 pick heading into his last year at Iowa.  I'm certainly giving him this year, with Von and the other young guys, to try and make his mark.  It takes EDGE rushers time to develop and Year 2/Year 3 is typically when it happens for them, if it's going to happen.  

 

Ford is definitely in a fight for a roster spot.  I'd keep him because he showed legit talent at OU, but I'm not sure he fits Kromer's athletic profile.  I have a ton of confidence in Aaron Kromer and will be fine with whoever he decides makes the cut.  

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Moss will be retained as depth at RB.  Epenesa will as well.  Maybe Ford will be released, as he is on his last year of the rookie contract, so only because he is cheap, maybe is 9th on the depth chart.

 

Hopefully he never sees the field as it was ugly just about every time he was on the field.

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2 hours ago, machine gun kelly said:

Moss will be retained as depth at RB.  Epenesa will as well.  Maybe Ford will be released, as he is on his last year of the rookie contract, so only because he is cheap, maybe is 9th on the depth chart.

 

Hopefully he never sees the field as it was ugly just about every time he was on the field.

Maybe at the TJ Yeldon/Matt Breida sense in that likely 3rd on the depth chart and only see action in a handful of games baring injuries. 

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4 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said:

 

This is something that really dumbfounds me.  How do you get such a good get off but then get stonewalled?

 

It's probably because of his smallish size, it helps with quickness but why he can't really finish and easily gets tossed aside by NFL lineman.

 

Sadly reminds me a lot of Aaron Maybin and why he was a complete bust other than one season with Rex Ryan and the Jets when he had 6 sacks as an OLB/situation pass rusher.

 

Bottom line is NFL DE's need both size and quickness.

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On 6/24/2022 at 5:02 AM, TheWeatherMan said:

Moss might be a 4th or 5th string RB at this point.  Motor, Cook, Johnson ahead of him.  I highly doubt Ford can turn it around and Epenesa has flashed from time to time.  He’s a great / cheap rotational player at this point.  

Everyone seems to forget Taiwan Jones. I would cut HIM before Moss.

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4 hours ago, FireChans said:

Any stat that has AJ better than Myles Garrett is a stat that can be instantly disregarded as useless.

 

It just says he’s better at the beginning. That’s a good thing. Now, let’s figure out how to fix the middle and the finish. How much does AJ actually weigh this year, I wonder? From what I’ve seen he still looks pretty light. 

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During the drought years there are all starters.  I think Epenesa is a lock.  Than Moss than Ford.  I expect all three make it.   2 seconds and a third rder are on the bubble.  The depth of this roster is scary.  The journey man or undrafted guys have to play with their hair on fire to beat these guys out.  To make this roster you have to be a player.

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