Why don't NFL players have Tommy John surgery?

[Big Turk]

6 minutes ago, BringBackFergy said:

You need to learn how to throw a football properly. It’s easy. I’ll show you some time. 

 

Uncle Rico...is that you??

 

[maddenboy]

7 hours ago, NoSaint said:

Can you imagine if josh got a mound in the pocket? 

 

Would his fast ball or running start down the hill be more exciting?

I mean, there's gotta be at LEAST five sex jokes in here somewhere, right?

[Thurman#1]

13 hours ago, Royale with Cheese said:

 

He did it twice in his career.

 

 

Really? Oh, man! Horrible! I just don't follow MLB much over here and I'd totally missed this. Awful to watch.

[Gugny]

12 hours ago, co_springs_billsfan said:

 

I was just watching the Big Sexy HR last night!!!  LOVED him on the Mets.

[BringBackFergy]

13 minutes ago, Gugny said:

 

I was just watching the Big Sexy HR last night!!!  LOVED him on the Mets.

That video depicts pure athleticism?

 

[Gugny]

5 minutes ago, BringBackFergy said:

That video depicts pure athleticism?

 

 

No ... these two do ...

 

 

 

 

[Royale with Cheese]

4 hours ago, Thurman#1 said:

 

 

Really? Oh, man! Horrible! I just don't follow MLB much over here and I'd totally missed this. Awful to watch.

 

Yep.  He tried a 2nd comeback.  The mental toughness he had is unreal.  Happened once...yeah I would probably attempt a comeback.  If it happened twice, I could never throw a baseball hard again in my life.

 

On May 26, 1999, while pitching against the Texas Rangers, Saunders suffered a significant arm injury while pitching to Juan González.[2] As he delivered a 3–2 pitch to the Rangers slugger, his pitching arm suddenly snapped with enough force that the sound of it could be heard throughout the stadium. Saunders subsequently collapsed on the mound, screaming in pain and smacking his right arm on the ground. Within moments, team trainer Jamie Reed and teammates John Flaherty and Kevin Stocker rushed to his side. Saunders had to be carted off the field, as the pain was too much for him to walk. He was diagnosed with a humerus fracture and torn ligaments in his arm, an injury severe enough to end his season.[3][4]

Saunders attempted to rehab the injury and make a comeback, and was sent on a rehabilitation assignment in August 2000. He successfully pitched in two games for the Class A Charleston RiverDogs, then moved to the Class A-Advanced St. Petersburg Devil Rays.[5] On August 24, during his fifth rehab game, Saunders’ humerus snapped again.[6] With the break occurring in almost the same spot as it had before, Saunders retired immediately afterward, aged 26.[7] Saunders was the 2000 recipient of the Tony Conigliaro Award, which honors a major league player who "overcomes an obstacle and adversity".[8]

After baseball, Saunders worked as a stockbroker.[9] In 2005, Saunders announced a comeback, signing a minor league contract with the Baltimore Orioles, and making their spring training roster. He pitched one inning against the St. Louis Cardinals before he was reassigned to the minor leagues. He remained listed on the Bowie Baysox roster for the whole 2005 season, but never pitched in a game, although he did appear in nine games for the Mesa Miners of the Golden Baseball League.

[Simon Says]

20 hours ago, MJS said:

Pitchers throw at an extremely high velocity 150 times a game. And they have 162 games in a season. They don't play every game, but they play a lot more games than NFL QB's do.

 

So I think they just throw it a ton more than an NFL QB, and probably at a much higher velocity.

Nobody throws 150 pitches. Due to increased use of relief specialists and reliance on data....starting pitchers are now averaging barely 5 innings and 80 pitches per game.

[HardyBoy]

Only read the first page, so might have been said.

 

My understanding is it comes down to two main things. The weight of the baseball is a lot less. Throwing a baseball is much more like dry firing a bow...go outside and throw a heavy ball vs a feather with the same arm speed, you'll feel the force on your elbow with the feather.

 

Second, it is the position of your hand when you throw a baseball vs a football and the release point that puts more strain on the elbow. 

 

I read an article on it a while back on ESPN.com or the athletic maybe. Definitely interesting. 

[Steve O]

20 hours ago, BringBackFergy said:

A serious question:

Baseball players/pitchers sometime require Tommy John surgery because the throwing motion in baseball is unnatural (overhand).

Softball players don't require Tommy John because underhand throwing is actually the natural motion for our arms and shoulders.

NFL QB's throw overhand....

I'm surprised more QB's haven't had to undergo Tommy John surgery.

Is there a reason?

Haven't read through 4 pages but my shoulder surgeon told me Nolan Ryan would throw a football to warm up to get that pure overhand motion. What's unnatural isn't the pure overhand motion but coming from the side like I did for 40 years of playing softball. Ryan didn't have the surgery even when it was recommended by Dr. Jobe.

[billykay]

22 hours ago, Royale with Cheese said:

A baseball players arm requires more "snap" and they throw different pitches...the elbow goes through so much more strain.

QB's aren't throwing curveballs, sliders, split fingers etc...

 

Plus they throw hard every throw.  You don't change your arm speed on change ups.

A QB isn't sitting back and throwing with everything on every throw.  There's touch passes, lob passes, quick slants etc...

 

This. I was just going to say that baseball pitchers not only throw hard, they also are snapping their elbow every time they throw a curve or slider. As an aside, I've played HS and College basketball and I have yet to see a torn ACL. I'm sure there are some but it is seldom compared to football. Lots of starting stopping and twisting but just a few knee injuries compared to football.

[NoHuddleKelly12]

22 hours ago, Draconator said:

 

So was Scott Norwood

[JESSEFEFFER]

The position of the wrist at the moment a baseball is released puts much more strain on the elbow than what a football does.  Other pitches made to create different spin and cause additional movement, are often more the cause of elbow problems.  QBs would be more likely to suffer injuries to their wrist and shoulder than to their elbow but that burden is more likely the result of cumulative throws made during overly aggressive training than during a game, imo.  Being tackled by a 300+ lb defender with the elbow or shoulder first to contact the ground is the biggest threat to a QB's arm joints (think Josh's A/C sprain--non throwing side--suffered vs. Raiders.)  This was a landing with full body weight cheapshot, imo, that was not called.

 

 

[benderbender]

On 6/13/2022 at 1:58 PM, boater said:

https://www.quora.com/Why-don-t-NFL-QBs-seem-to-get-injuries-that-need-Tommy-John-surgery-as-MLB-pitchers-do

I'll often be scrolling through "answers" and read halfway through an ad before realizing it. But that sort of advertising doesn't work on me. Because I take AdForgetter+ now with 35% more calcium.

[djp14150]

On 6/13/2022 at 2:05 PM, Gugny said:

 

Baseball is a far more grueling sport than football.

 

Pitchers pitch every 5 days.

NFL QBs play every 7 days.

 

Pitchers usually throw about 100 pitches/game.

QBs throw 30-40 passes.

 

Pitchers are always "throwing hard," even the off-speed stuff is going 75-80 mph and the arm motion is the same.

QBs usually throw the ball less than 10 yards in the air.

 

 

 

too add….

over a season 30  starts amount to 3000 pitches at least

pro season…they might throw 500 times

6 yrs nfl= 1 yrin baseball

 

on top of that, throwing motion is very different.

 

When throwing the football generally the motion and strains are very different..

 

1.  Wrist strain is different

2. elbow strain is different.  The elbow strain also involves twists and turns.  You don’t get these whrn throw8ng a football

3. affection the shoulder is very different.  

 

 

[boater]

8 hours ago, benderbender said:

I'll often be scrolling through "answers" and read halfway through an ad before realizing it. But that sort of advertising doesn't work on me. Because I take AdForgetter+ now with 35% more calcium.

Heh. An interesting take. I use two ad-blockers (probably to the chagrin of SDS and Moderators) and never noticed ads on Quora or TBD/TSW.