John from Riverside Posted June 12, 2022 Share Posted June 12, 2022 31 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said: Lack of arm strength never stopped a QB from being good or improving. Decision making, accuracy, anticipation, and timing are what makes QBs. Same reason why Allen didn’t become good until he improved those areas. Hard to do those things when you can’t stay on the field Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ralonzo Posted June 12, 2022 Share Posted June 12, 2022 27 minutes ago, Doc Brown said: It helps though. Anytime people have trouble understanding the limits of not having elite arm strength I just show them this. Having an average arm limits the playbook. Josh is 7 yards deeper and still the ball gets there noticeably quicker. What a hose. Tua’s ball was definitely accurate, yes it was. Would have been right in the receivers hands if it got there. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott7975 Posted June 12, 2022 Share Posted June 12, 2022 (edited) I dont think Tua is an elite QB or anything but he is pretty accurate on his throws. His problem is he doesnt have an arm. Mahomes has an arm and makes a living off of broken play type throws. Tua being more accurate? I dont think he is but he is accurate on those short 5-10 yard type throws. Edited June 12, 2022 by Scott7975 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted June 12, 2022 Share Posted June 12, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, Doc Brown said: It helps though. Anytime people have trouble understanding the limits of not having elite arm strength I just show them this. Having an average arm limits the playbook. Physical ability definitely helps but has very little to do with success of a QB. It’s the reason many fans wanted Josh Rosen over Josh Allen. Rosen fans didn’t think Allen could develop all the important things needed to be a successful QB. Also, Tua was late on the throw. Josh wasn’t late. Josh can be late at times though with his arm but that would basically be 2019 Josh Allen. On this throw Tua is nearly throwing 2 seconds late. If that happens he’s always getting intercepted. Edited June 12, 2022 by Buffalo_Stampede 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted June 12, 2022 Share Posted June 12, 2022 I didn't care what Hill thought before and and certainly don't now. He is an idiot. He runs real fast though, so good for him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brianmoorman4jesus Posted June 12, 2022 Share Posted June 12, 2022 Tua is absolutely super accurate. I wouldn’t doubt that Hill is right. The biggest issue is Tua’s arm is about as strong as Chad Pennington’s, after all the surgeries. The guy is definitely very accurate or else he wouldn’t be in the league. His arm strength is as poor as I have ever seen and I feel like it will keep him from ever becoming a decent NFL QB. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Brown Posted June 12, 2022 Share Posted June 12, 2022 1 hour ago, Buffalo_Stampede said: Physical ability definitely helps but has very little to do with success of a QB. It’s the reason many fans wanted Josh Rosen over Josh Allen. Rosen fans didn’t think Allen could develop all the important things needed to be a successful QB. Also, Tua was late on the throw. Josh wasn’t late. Josh can be late at times though with his arm but that would basically be 2019 Josh Allen. On this throw Tua is nearly throwing 2 seconds late. If that happens he’s always getting intercepted. You think? Ask Peyton Manning his final year whether his physical ability had anything to do with his success after throwing 7td's and 15int's when his arm went. Him and Brady excelled at all those other traits you mentioned at the highest level probably ever. On Tua's particular throw it's pry still a TD is you had Allen, Mahomes, Herbert, Rodgers, etc...throwing it even with the hesitation. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted June 12, 2022 Share Posted June 12, 2022 (edited) 2 hours ago, Doc Brown said: You think? Ask Peyton Manning his final year whether his physical ability had anything to do with his success after throwing 7td's and 15int's when his arm went. Him and Brady excelled at all those other traits you mentioned at the highest level probably ever. On Tua's particular throw it's pry still a TD is you had Allen, Mahomes, Herbert, Rodgers, etc...throwing it even with the hesitation. He pats the ball like 3 times before throwing. That’s an INT for any QB attempting that throw after 3 pats. Horribly late. You need some velocity. I’m not sure what Tua’s ball velocity is, but low-mid 50s is probably the minimum needed. I’m sure he’s in that range. Allen probably closer to 60+. Edited June 12, 2022 by Buffalo_Stampede Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
machine gun kelly Posted June 12, 2022 Share Posted June 12, 2022 As Foghorn Leghorn said, “we’ll I said I said from the 5 yard line maybe”. Tua’s a joke. He’ll hit Hill from 5 yards out, but that’s it. He can’t throw a 20 yard pass to save his life. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ayjent Posted June 12, 2022 Share Posted June 12, 2022 So the Dolphins are going to try rub routes and bubble screens to Hill. Sounds like Hill will take a beating as teams leave Strong Safety/LBs in middle zone to clean up. Hell even take a 15 yd penalty for defenseless WR to set the tone. I think Hill is in for a rude awakening when Tua can’t extend plays like Mahomes and doesn’t get him the ball on time. We’ll see how he feels mid season about it, bc right now it’s just meaningless cheerleading. There is no question Hill opened up the Chiefs offense, but Mahomes isn’t going to suddenly suck without him. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whorlnut Posted June 12, 2022 Share Posted June 12, 2022 16 hours ago, HappyDays said: Chad Pennington was able to make it past his first read without panicking. That’s not the point. The point is how accurate he is. I don’t think Tua will ever be a complete qb or one that puts fear into us on Sundays, but accuracy has always been one of his best traits. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donuts and Doritos Posted June 12, 2022 Share Posted June 12, 2022 Good to know Tyreek's made a football and not a business decision to ditch KC for Miami. He was just upgrading at QB it had nothing to do w/ that $120 million Miami is giving him. Ok, sure Tyreek. 🙄 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Southern_Bills Posted June 12, 2022 Share Posted June 12, 2022 Don't worry, games will begin soon enough and the Dolphins talk will become irrelevant like them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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machine gun kelly Posted June 12, 2022 Share Posted June 12, 2022 The problem all joking aside and it’s real easy to make jokes of Tua is the defense is going to play up as they don’t have to worry about anything deep. Hyde and Poyer can stay back and just let our nickel CB and outside corners just blanket him. God if I was a Dolphins fan (god forbid squish the fish) I would be incensed over not taking Herbert. That’s Ross’s fault from all reports he wanted Tua. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnMurphyHamFetish Posted June 12, 2022 Share Posted June 12, 2022 Exactly this.... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted June 12, 2022 Share Posted June 12, 2022 19 hours ago, klos63 said: You should listen to Bills fans, we didn't even make it to the championship game, but if you listen to them, we are better than KC, Cinci and the Rams. We lost 7 games last season, finished 1 game ahead of the Pats and 2 ahead of the Dolphins, but all off season, you could swear we are the defending champs the way the fans have acted. Look at you go. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stank_Nasty Posted June 12, 2022 Share Posted June 12, 2022 (edited) Mahomes is absolutely gonna miss Hill bailing him out on some of the prayers he likes to heave up. Hill’s ability to track and time those balls isn’t talked about nearly enough. Without him I would guess quite a bit of those are getting picked or at the very least falling harmlessly to the turf. that being said. All this is a bad look for Hill. Just move on man. Edited June 12, 2022 by Stank_Nasty Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JakeFrommStateFarm Posted June 12, 2022 Share Posted June 12, 2022 Tyreek seems to have an axe to grind with Reid and Mahommes. He's upset that Chiefs would not sign him to a Davante Adams type deal. “When the season ended, just to get to your question, we went to the team, and we basically said ‘Hey Tyreek did a contract after his third year. He’s outplayed that deal,'” Rosenhaus explained. “But, we were really far apart on the numbers. We felt strongly that Tyreek was the best receiver in football and deserved to get paid that way. They were very complimentary of Tyreek, but they were not prepared to make him the highest-paid receiver in football. “Then, what happened was the Davante Adams deal got done, and I called Tyreek, and I said ‘Look, here’s a guy that’s older than you, isn’t as accomplished, in my mind, as you, in terms of all the things that Tyreek can do with the football and away from the football – his ability to stretch the defense and open things up for (Travis) Kelce. When Adams got the huge deal, I spoke to Tyreek, and we both agreed that we were going to put the pressure on the Chiefs that they were either going to do a deal like that, or it wasn’t a great fit anymore because the respect isn’t mutual if you don’t see it that way.” “The crazy part is, I talked to Patrick Mahomes,” Hill said. “I talked to Andy Reid for like 30 minutes or so. I talked to both of them on the phone, I’m like ‘Hey, coach. I don’t even got to be the highest-paid, for real. I just want to be put in a realistic position that’s realistic for me and my family. I don’t got to get $30 million, at least give me $25 (million), $26 million). They wouldn’t even give me numbers even close to that.” https://news.yahoo.com/tyreek-hill-drew-rosenhaus-share-122915677.html?fr=sycsrp_catchall 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoudyBills Posted June 12, 2022 Share Posted June 12, 2022 23 hours ago, Warcodered said: Speaking of delusional this is apparently a thing with Dolphins fans this year. Can't wait to see Josh truck his ass. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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