Kaepernick workout with Raiders...NFL encouraging teams to give him workouts

[Gugny]

9 minutes ago, boater said:

LOLZ. Kape = Doug Flutie on the divisiveness-meter.

 

I don't recall anyone ever saying Kaepernick divided the locker room in San Francisco.  Flutie?  He's a little self-serving a-hole and always has been.

 

I'm interested to know why you made your comment.

[boyst]

I've looked half-heartedly. Is he still doing the vegan diet and still down like 20-25lbs from his super bowl year?

[Mr. WEO]

41 minutes ago, Gugny said:

 

I don't recall anyone ever saying Kaepernick divided the locker room in San Francisco.  Flutie?  He's a little self-serving a-hole and always has been.

 

I'm interested to know why you made your comment.

 

The "Flutie divided the locker room" is often misrepresented here.  Let Steve Christie tell us how it actually was:

 

 "Christie, 33, who wouldn't take sides in the quarterback issue, said a game Flutie didn't play in -- Buffalo's heart-breaking 22-16 playoff loss to Tennessee last year -- created the first real division among Bills players. 

Flutie led Buffalo to a 10-5 record and an AFC playoff berth in 1999 before being benched for the playoff game in Tennessee in favour of Johnson. The Titans won on a last-second kickoff return touchdown set up by a controversial cross-field lateral. 

"That really split the guys up," Christie said. "That Tennessee thing was much more than a bloop kick and a runback."

[Rico]

7 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

The "Flutie divided the locker room" is often misrepresented here.  Let Steve Christie tell us how it actually was:

 

 "Christie, 33, who wouldn't take sides in the quarterback issue, said a game Flutie didn't play in -- Buffalo's heart-breaking 22-16 playoff loss to Tennessee last year -- created the first real division among Bills players. 

Flutie led Buffalo to a 10-5 record and an AFC playoff berth in 1999 before being benched for the playoff game in Tennessee in favour of Johnson. The Titans won on a last-second kickoff return touchdown set up by a controversial cross-field lateral. 

"That really split the guys up," Christie said. "That Tennessee thing was much more than a bloop kick and a runback."

Thanks, Ralph. 

[Gugny]

10 hours ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

The "Flutie divided the locker room" is often misrepresented here.  Let Steve Christie tell us how it actually was:

 

 "Christie, 33, who wouldn't take sides in the quarterback issue, said a game Flutie didn't play in -- Buffalo's heart-breaking 22-16 playoff loss to Tennessee last year -- created the first real division among Bills players. 

Flutie led Buffalo to a 10-5 record and an AFC playoff berth in 1999 before being benched for the playoff game in Tennessee in favour of Johnson. The Titans won on a last-second kickoff return touchdown set up by a controversial cross-field lateral. 

"That really split the guys up," Christie said. "That Tennessee thing was much more than a bloop kick and a runback."

 

Flutie never "led" the Bills to any wins, let alone ten.  He sucked and he's a little prick.  

[Mr. WEO]

1 hour ago, Gugny said:

 

Flutie never "led" the Bills to any wins, let alone ten.  He sucked and he's a little prick.  

 

Half the locker room disagreed with that.

 

RJ was the worst Bills starter in the past 40 years.

[billsfan1959]

1 hour ago, Gugny said:

Flutie never "led" the Bills to any wins, let alone ten.  He sucked and he's a little prick.  

 

6 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

RJ was the worst Bills starter in the past 40 years.

 

They both sucked...

[Captain_Quint]

In a 2015 oral history of the Music City Miracle, Johnson announced his intention to bring his family to a Bills game that season, but admitted to his unpopularity among Bills fans by adding, "The fans might boo me."

 

 

[Big Turk]

16 hours ago, Alphadawg7 said:

You can’t give all the credit to the defense and O Line for the SB run then give all the blame to Kap on the 2-10 season.  
 

That 2-10 season the Niners had maybe the largest loss of talent for any team in NFL history over the previous 2 seasons.  
 

Every single good player on both offense and defense for the SB year was basically gone due to early surprise retirements, injuries, free agency, trades, and suspensions.  Not to mention the massive downgrade at HC.

 

No offense, you either don’t really know enough of the details here to have an accurate opinion or you’re just ignoring facts.  Either way, giving all the credit to his team, then ignoring the fact that whole team and HC were gone to just blame it all on Kap is pointless and totally contradictory statements.  Even worse was that Kap wasn’t even playing that bad in that last season considering that team was one of the worst rosters in the league with the worst coaching in the NFL that year.  

 

Im not saying he’s gonna be good or bad, but he does deserve an opportunity to show what he might be capable of.  And too many people who don’t know enough about the facts of his years in SF keep painting overly exaggerated accounts of him and those teams.  

 

 

He had been figured out by then and determined by DC's to be a one trick pony.  Take away his one trick and he struggled.  Never found another trick to make them pay.  

[Mr. WEO]

10 minutes ago, billsfan1959 said:

 

 

They both sucked...

 

The Bills were 21-7 with Flutie and went to back to back playoffs.   In 1998, RJ was 3-3, got injured.  Flutie came in and went 7-3.

 

RJ went 9-17 with the (same) Bills.  Flutie maximized his game despite obvious physical limitations because he was smart and could take a beating.

 

RJ was a dumb, soft,  injury prone jock who squandered his physical gifts.  Why would any Bills fan pine for that guy even back then?  He was awful. 

[The Red King]

People talk like it was RJ's fault this all happened and hate him for it.  Right or wrong, you gotta remember two things.  One, the coaching staff chose to bench the healthy starter and put the kid in, not partway during the season but for a Wild Card game.  And two, RJ won that game, special teams lost it.  Blaming RJ for the Miracle would be like blaming Allen for 13 Seconds.

[Gugny]

25 minutes ago, billsfan1959 said:

 

 

They both sucked...

 

4 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

The Bills were 21-7 with Flutie and went to back to back playoffs.   In 1998, RJ was 3-3, got injured.  Flutie came in and went 7-3.

 

RJ went 9-17 with the (same) Bills.  Flutie maximized his game despite obvious physical limitations because he was smart and could take a beating.

 

RJ was a dumb, soft,  injury prone jock who squandered his physical gifts.  Why would any Bills fan pine for that guy even back then?  He was awful. 

 

I agree that they both sucked.

 

The fact remains that the Bills had that TEN game won and RJ was the QB who played.  Was he good?  NO.  But he did enough to have the Bills on top when the offense left the field for the last time.

 

And there's no way you can really believe that RJ was the worst starter in the past 40 years.  Collins, Flutie, Losman, Edwards, Taylor, PETERMAN ... common man.

[billsfan1959]

3 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

The Bills were 21-7 with Flutie and went to back to back playoffs.   In 1998, RJ was 3-3, got injured.  Flutie came in and went 7-3.

 

RJ went 9-17 with the (same) Bills.  Flutie maximized his game despite obvious physical limitations because he was smart and could take a beating.

 

RJ was a dumb, soft,  injury prone jock who squandered his physical gifts.  Why would any Bills fan pine for that guy even back then?  He was awful. 

 

I don't know why anyone woyuld want either one of them. 

 

I would certainly agree that Flutie utilized his skill set better than Johnson did; however, much of the 21-7 record under Flutie was due to the Bills having one of the best defenses (particularly the 1998-1999 team) and best running games in the NFL. For every 2 decent games Flutie had, he had one abysmal game.

[The Red King]

2 minutes ago, Gugny said:

 

 

I agree that they both sucked.

 

The fact remains that the Bills had that TEN game won and RJ was the QB who played.  Was he good?  NO.  But he did enough to have the Bills on top when the offense left the field for the last time.

 

And there's no way you can really believe that RJ was the worst starter in the past 40 years.  Collins, Flutie, Losman, Edwards, Taylor, PETERMAN ... common man.

 

Tyrod wasn't bad at all.  He just wasn't good.  He was baseline.  He wouldn't lose you games, but wouldn't win you them.  He was a 7-9 win QB.  Consistant, but nothing more or less.  Better traits for a backup then a starter.

[billsfan1959]

4 minutes ago, Gugny said:

The fact remains that the Bills had that TEN game won and RJ was the QB who played.  Was he good?  NO.  But he did enough to have the Bills on top when the offense left the field for the last time.

 

Right. That loss was not on Johnson. He led them to a field goal that should have won the game. It was poor clock management and special teams play...

[Big Turk]

16 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

The Bills were 21-7 with Flutie and went to back to back playoffs.   In 1998, RJ was 3-3, got injured.  Flutie came in and went 7-3.

 

RJ went 9-17 with the (same) Bills.  Flutie maximized his game despite obvious physical limitations because he was smart and could take a beating.

 

RJ was a dumb, soft,  injury prone jock who squandered his physical gifts.  Why would any Bills fan pine for that guy even back then?  He was awful. 

 

Not to mention RJ got sacked at one of the highest rates in NFL history.  Dude could not read a defense to save his life.

Just now, billsfan1959 said:

 

Right. That loss was not on Johnson. He led them to a field goal that should have won the game. It was poor clock management and special teams play...

 

I'd say it was...he didn't do much with the drives he had all game long, so the fact we needed a last second FG to take a lead when Flutie would have likely had us ahead comfortably is on him.

[billsfan1959]

1 minute ago, Big Turk said:

 

Not to mention RJ got sacked at one of the highest rates in NFL history.  Dude could not read a defense to save his life.

 

I'd say it was...he didn't do much with the drives he had all game long, so the fact we needed a last second FG to take a lead when Flutie would have likely had us ahead comfortably is on him.

 

You have no idea waht Flutie "might" have done. We can only deal with what we know. Rob Johnson was awful. But, when you lead your team to the go ahead FG with 20 seconds left in the game, it should be a win - especially the way the game was played in the 1998-99 season. 

[Simon]

10 minutes ago, Big Turk said:

when Flutie would have likely had us ahead comfortably

 

🤣😂🤣😂

[Big Turk]

31 minutes ago, billsfan1959 said:

 

You have no idea waht Flutie "might" have done. We can only deal with what we know. Rob Johnson was awful. But, when you lead your team to the go ahead FG with 20 seconds left in the game, it should be a win - especially the way the game was played in the 1998-99 season. 

 

That was way too much time...even 13 seconds was way too much time.

[billsfan1959]

33 minutes ago, Big Turk said:

 

That was way too much time...even 13 seconds was way too much time.

 

That may very well be; however, that was not on Johnson.