cle23 Posted May 22, 2022 Share Posted May 22, 2022 1 hour ago, Putin said: That’s what they should do , and after ALL the lawsuits are settled come up with the appropriate punishment Where does that end though? Watson probably will be suspended, but a grand jury elected not to pursue charges. These are purely civil cases at this point. Literally anyone can file civil suits for almost any reason because the burden of proof is MUCH lower. So how can you suspend someone indefinitely for something they weren't charged for, and in which the civil trials aren't even set up yet? I've been saying the entire time that if he was criminally guilty he should be out of the league and from everything I've seen it's likely hes going to get suspended at least some either way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted May 24, 2022 Share Posted May 24, 2022 On 5/22/2022 at 5:28 PM, cle23 said: Where does that end though? Watson probably will be suspended, but a grand jury elected not to pursue charges. These are purely civil cases at this point. Literally anyone can file civil suits for almost any reason because the burden of proof is MUCH lower. So how can you suspend someone indefinitely for something they weren't charged for, and in which the civil trials aren't even set up yet? I've been saying the entire time that if he was criminally guilty he should be out of the league and from everything I've seen it's likely hes going to get suspended at least some either way. Bauer got 324 games in baseball. Anything less than a season and u look like a joke 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted May 24, 2022 Share Posted May 24, 2022 On 5/22/2022 at 3:51 PM, Big Turk said: Was there testimony as to what she cried about? Seems like a leading question otherwise. He brought up the fact that she was crying at the end of the encounter. He wasn't asked that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CincyBillsFan Posted May 24, 2022 Share Posted May 24, 2022 10 hours ago, dneveu said: Bauer got 324 games in baseball. Anything less than a season and u look like a joke The NFL has worked long and hard to convert women into NFL fans. I can't imagine they will risk this to take it easy on Watson. So unless the NFL found evidence that all these women are working together to scam Watson he should be suspended for one year without pay. There are corporations in the US that would fire you for personal conduct much less egregious then this. It doesn't need to be a criminal act for the NFL to bring down the hammer. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warcodered Posted May 24, 2022 Share Posted May 24, 2022 2 hours ago, Mr. WEO said: He brought up the fact that she was crying at the end of the encounter. He wasn't asked that. Was there an audible sound of his lawyers slamming their hands into their foreheads? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Doug Posted May 24, 2022 Share Posted May 24, 2022 1 hour ago, CincyBillsFan said: The NFL has worked long and hard to convert women into NFL fans. I can't imagine they will risk this to take it easy on Watson. So unless the NFL found evidence that all these women are working together to scam Watson he should be suspended for one year without pay. There are corporations in the US that would fire you for personal conduct much less egregious then this. It doesn't need to be a criminal act for the NFL to bring down the hammer. The problem I have with this is that the Brown’s purposely evaded the spirit of such a punishment by making his 2022 season pay vet minimum. The league shouldn’t have allowed this. A QB should not be making 1.035M a season. 2 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cle23 Posted May 24, 2022 Share Posted May 24, 2022 53 minutes ago, Saint Doug said: The problem I have with this is that the Brown’s purposely evaded the spirit of such a punishment by making his 2022 season pay vet minimum. The league shouldn’t have allowed this. A QB should not be making 1.035M a season. The thing is though, this isn't true. They did the exact same thing will all of their big contracts recently. Garrett, Ward, Chubb, restructured Cooper. It looks bad, but you can't ignore that they did it with everyone, not just Watson. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted May 24, 2022 Share Posted May 24, 2022 2 hours ago, Saint Doug said: The problem I have with this is that the Brown’s purposely evaded the spirit of such a punishment by making his 2022 season pay vet minimum. The league shouldn’t have allowed this. A QB should not be making 1.035M a season. This has happened before where a player got a very low rate because his salary was being paid for by previous team but clearly there intent was to shield him from penalties to get him to sign. Teams have also converted salary to bonus for same reason. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted May 24, 2022 Share Posted May 24, 2022 3 hours ago, Warcodered said: Was there an audible sound of his lawyers slamming their hands into their foreheads? They don’t care—it’s more billable hours. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warcodered Posted May 24, 2022 Share Posted May 24, 2022 11 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said: They don’t care—it’s more billable hours. I mean that's true, but they might care that he appears like he's been competently prepped. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted May 24, 2022 Share Posted May 24, 2022 15 minutes ago, Warcodered said: I mean that's true, but they might care that he appears like he's been competently prepped. Can't always control their clients. But I really don't think they are sweating this. It's a high profile case that only keeps their rep as a go to firm, win or lose. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted May 24, 2022 Share Posted May 24, 2022 6 hours ago, Mr. WEO said: He brought up the fact that she was crying at the end of the encounter. He wasn't asked that. Of course not Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted May 24, 2022 Share Posted May 24, 2022 15 minutes ago, Big Turk said: Of course not Why does that seem like "a leading question"? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted May 24, 2022 Share Posted May 24, 2022 (edited) 27 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said: Why does that seem like "a leading question"? Because they don't try and establish the reason as to why which is important to Watson's defense but the prosecutor doesn't want him to answer that because it allows them to speculate as to the why. Edited May 24, 2022 by Big Turk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted May 24, 2022 Share Posted May 24, 2022 (edited) 4 hours ago, cle23 said: The thing is though, this isn't true. They did the exact same thing will all of their big contracts recently. Garrett, Ward, Chubb, restructured Cooper. It looks bad, but you can't ignore that they did it with everyone, not just Watson. Easy work-around is to just tack on a fine. 16 games plus a substantial fine. Edited May 24, 2022 by dneveu Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Wiz Posted May 24, 2022 Share Posted May 24, 2022 2 hours ago, Limeaid said: This has happened before where a player got a very low rate because his salary was being paid for by previous team but clearly there intent was to shield him from penalties to get him to sign. Teams have also converted salary to bonus for same reason. Teams convert salary to bonus to get around the cap, not suspensions. How many other teams have done this? Honestly asking. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted May 24, 2022 Share Posted May 24, 2022 2 minutes ago, The Wiz said: Teams convert salary to bonus to get around the cap, not suspensions. How many other teams have done this? Honestly asking. How many teams trade for a guy who's very liikely to get suspended for a year? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cle23 Posted May 24, 2022 Share Posted May 24, 2022 (edited) 22 minutes ago, dneveu said: Easy work-around is to just tack on a fine. 16 games plus a substantial fine. I am not sure they can do that. We'd have to look into the CBA, but I highly doubt players can be fined directly for off the field problems. On the field, sure, but I don't think they can be fined for anything off the field. Edited May 24, 2022 by cle23 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted May 24, 2022 Share Posted May 24, 2022 1 hour ago, Big Turk said: Because they don't try and establish the reason as to why which is important to Watson's defense but the prosecutor doesn't want him to answer that because it allows them to speculate as to the why. Uhhh wut? Have you read anything about this at all? It doesn’t seem so, at all. There is no prosecutor. He’s being sued. It’s a civil deposition. He was asked why he sent an apology text after that massage. HE decided to answer by disclosing to the plaintiffs lawyer that she was crying at the end of the massage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarleyNY Posted May 24, 2022 Share Posted May 24, 2022 9 hours ago, Mr. WEO said: He brought up the fact that she was crying at the end of the encounter. He wasn't asked that. Specifically he was asked why he sent a text apologizing to her. 1 hour ago, dneveu said: How many teams trade for a guy who's very liikely to get suspended for a year? If reports are to be believed 13 teams - to some extent at least - tried to trade for Watson. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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