BREAKING: SCOTUS to overturn Roe?

[dickleyjones]

5 hours ago, SoCal Deek said:

Thanks your concern…I’m fine actually! I’ve yet to burn anything down, topple a statue, loot a liquor store or anything close. 

very good!

[B-Man]

Now They're on Record: Democrats Overwhelmingly Vote to Allow Abortion up to Birth

 

Let it be known that the politicians of the Democrat Party in Washington are either evil or cowardly with the exception of one.

 

Reports say that Democrats had brought Roe v Wade to the floor in order to codify it into law. The goal was to legalize abortion nationwide up until birth with what would be no limits. As you can imagine, every single Republican voted against this and they were joined by none other than West Virginia Democrat Joe Manchin who had indicated that he’d vote against it earlier in the day.

 

 

 

Remember about 2 years ago when the Left apologists here said that I was crazy when I stated that Democrats wanted to have right up to the day of delivery.

 

I was right.

 

https://redstate.com/brandon_morse/2022/05/11/now-theyre-on-record-democrats-overwhelmingly-vote-to-allow-abortion-up-to-birth-n563155

 

 

[Boatdrinks]

17 hours ago, ALF said:

Infant mortality per 1,000 live births, 2017  Infant mortality (the death of an infant within the first year of life) is a widely-reported indicator of population health.

 

United States
5.8
Canada
4.5
France
3.9
United Kingdom
3.9
Belgium
3.6
Netherlands
3.6
Switzerland
3.5
Comparable Country Average
3.4
Australia
3.3
Germany
3.3
Austria
2.9
Sweden
2.4
Japan   Note: 2016 data shown for Japan
2.0

https://www.healthsystemtracker.org/chart-collection/infant-mortality-u-s-compare-countries/#Infant mortality per 1,000 live births, 2017

 

looks like the US needs universal healthcare like the rest of the civilized world
 

 

Nope, not needed.  Folks need to get off their collective a$$es, exercise more and stop stuffing their faces with twinkies and fast food. Face it, the US population has gotten increasingly lazy and fat. Most of our problems with health are related to diet and poor lifestyle choices, not “healthcare” ( most of which is consumed later in life, not prime reproductive years when people should be generally healthy) 

[ALF]

  Infant mortality (the death of an infant within the first year of life) is a widely-reported indicator of population health.

 

55 minutes ago, Boatdrinks said:

Nope, not needed.  Folks need to get off their collective a$$es, exercise more and stop stuffing their faces with twinkies and fast food. Face it, the US population has gotten increasingly lazy and fat. Most of our problems with health are related to diet and poor lifestyle choices, not “healthcare” ( most of which is consumed later in life, not prime reproductive years when people should be generally healthy) 

 

Your solution will keep infants less then 1 year old alive ?

[BillsFanNC]

 

[SoCal Deek]

4 hours ago, ALF said:

  Infant mortality (the death of an infant within the first year of life) is a widely-reported indicator of population health.

 

I’m sure that’s not the only indicator but even if it is, why do you suppose we have the mortality rate we do? 

[LeviF]

4 hours ago, ALF said:

 

Your solution will keep infants less then 1 year old alive ?

 

Yes. The weight of the mother has many effects on not only gestational health but the early health of the child as well.

[ALF]

1 hour ago, SoCal Deek said:

I’m sure that’s not the only indicator but even if it is, why do you suppose we have the mortality rate we do? 

 

In 2018, over 21,000 infants died in the United States. According to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC), the leading causes were congenital abnormalities, low birthweight and preterm birth, maternal pregnancy complications, sudden infant death syndrome (SIDS) and unintentional injuries.

. Pre-term births can have many different maternal causes, many of which -- such as high blood pressure, diabetes

The major issue of the lack of universal access to quality prenatal care should also be considered in any discussion of preterm births and infant mortality. Also, because about 50 percent of pregnancies in the United States are unplanned, some women might not be aware they are pregnant in time to get early prenatal care, and this may be part of the reason for premature births in this country.

Perhaps not surprisingly, babies born to wealthier and better educated parents in the United States tended to fare about as well as infants born in European countries. On the other hand, those babies born to mothers in the United States without these advantages were more likely to die than any other group, even similarly disadvantaged populations in the other countries.

 

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2016/10/161013103132.htm

 

Good research article on causes and some solutions. 

 

[unbillievable]

1 hour ago, DRsGhost said:

 

 

Someone explain to me how abortion affects gay and lesbian couples.

 

 

[ALF]

54 minutes ago, LeviF said:

 

Yes. The weight of the mother has many effects on not only gestational health but the early health of the child as well.

 

Unfortunately everyone does not have a primary care physician to keep them on the right track and proper treatment when needed. Using the ER instead will end in failure. I know it would take a lot of money to solve , but even a step in the right direction and health education would help.

[B-Man]

 

THE LEFT TWISTS THE LANGUAGE TO HIDE THE UGLINESS OF THEIR VIEWS:  

 

 

“Reproductive health” = abortion.

 

 

https://www.thenewneo.com/2022/05/11/reproductive-health-abortion/

 

 

[BuffaninSarasota]

5 minutes ago, B-Man said:

 

THE LEFT TWISTS THE LANGUAGE TO HIDE THE UGLINESS OF THEIR VIEWS:  

 

 

“Reproductive health” = abortion.

 

 

https://www.thenewneo.com/2022/05/11/reproductive-health-abortion/

 

 

one of many examples of word salad/euphemisms intended to deflect from the issue at hand

[LeviF]

5 minutes ago, ALF said:

 

Unfortunately everyone does not have a primary care physician to keep them on the right track and proper treatment when needed. Using the ER instead will end in failure. I know it would take a lot of money to solve , but even a step in the right direction and health education would help.

 

Yeah I'm never gonna dunk on people who want real health care/health insurance reform in the states. Unfortunately a lot of that is downstream of lifestyle which has trended more to convenience and comfort (byproducts of urbanization of living spaces and monopolies in the food industry) over actually beneficial habits. As a result we have HUGE issues that won't even be fixed with proper single payer on one side or gutting the massive administrative burden on health care on the other. But again I'm not going to fault people who want to find some acute solutions that will make some progress.

[unbillievable]

2 minutes ago, LeviF said:

 

Yeah I'm never gonna dunk on people who want real health care/health insurance reform in the states. Unfortunately a lot of that is downstream of lifestyle which has trended more to convenience and comfort (byproducts of urbanization of living spaces and monopolies in the food industry) over actually beneficial habits. As a result we have HUGE issues that won't even be fixed with proper single payer on one side or gutting the massive administrative burden on health care on the other. But again I'm not going to fault people who want to find some acute solutions that will make some progress.

 

If we would just remove the restrictions on stem cell research and human cloning, science would have solved this problem already. Imagine being able to slip into a new healthy body after ruining your first one! Unlimited sugar and carbs for life!

 

 

[All_Pro_Bills]

4 minutes ago, ALF said:

 

Unfortunately everyone does not have a primary care physician to keep them on the right track and proper treatment when needed. Using the ER instead will end in failure. I know it would take a lot of money to solve , but even a step in the right direction and health education would help.

When you're dealing with health care in the context of generational poverty where infant mortality is the highest there are many more circumstances and factors to consider than access to health care.  The obvious solutions all assume throwing more money at the problem will lead to improvement or resolution of the problem.  In this case infant mortality rates. 

But viable solutions need to consider how to address the culture of poverty.  The specific set of norms and customs that people operate under.  There are many factors beyond financial resources such as personal behaviors, emotional, mental, and nurturing support of the mother and the home environment.  A focus on the present and an inability to identify the consequences, sometimes to the unborn child of actions taken or not taken.  As well as things like a lack of support systems available to the mother and what can be the hidden rules that dictate relationships and behavior inside these communities and homes.

A fundamental obstacle in defining and implementing effective solutions to infant mortality and health care issues for people stuck in generational poverty is both an inability and an unwillingness to accept the fact that poor people do not think and act like middle class individuals that define solutions.  So solutions that are defined with a middle class to professional perspective tend to fail.  Addressing the needs of people in a manner consistent with how they operate, not how the providers operate could be more effective. 

[Boatdrinks]

2 hours ago, ALF said:

 

In 2018, over 21,000 infants died in the United States. According to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC), the leading causes were congenital abnormalities, low birthweight and preterm birth, maternal pregnancy complications, sudden infant death syndrome (SIDS) and unintentional injuries.

. Pre-term births can have many different maternal causes, many of which -- such as high blood pressure, diabetes

The major issue of the lack of universal access to quality prenatal care should also be considered in any discussion of preterm births and infant mortality. Also, because about 50 percent of pregnancies in the United States are unplanned, some women might not be aware they are pregnant in time to get early prenatal care, and this may be part of the reason for premature births in this country.

Perhaps not surprisingly, babies born to wealthier and better educated parents in the United States tended to fare about as well as infants born in European countries. On the other hand, those babies born to mothers in the United States without these advantages were more likely to die than any other group, even similarly disadvantaged populations in the other countries.

 

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2016/10/161013103132.htm

 

Good research article on causes and some solutions. 

 

So.. be smart and take care of yourself. Exercise and don’t overeat, drink too much or smoke. Whether you become pregnant or not, you will fare much better. 

[SoCal Deek]

6 hours ago, ALF said:

 

In 2018, over 21,000 infants died in the United States. According to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC), the leading causes were congenital abnormalities, low birthweight and preterm birth, maternal pregnancy complications, sudden infant death syndrome (SIDS) and unintentional injuries.

. Pre-term births can have many different maternal causes, many of which -- such as high blood pressure, diabetes

The major issue of the lack of universal access to quality prenatal care should also be considered in any discussion of preterm births and infant mortality. Also, because about 50 percent of pregnancies in the United States are unplanned, some women might not be aware they are pregnant in time to get early prenatal care, and this may be part of the reason for premature births in this country.

Perhaps not surprisingly, babies born to wealthier and better educated parents in the United States tended to fare about as well as infants born in European countries. On the other hand, those babies born to mothers in the United States without these advantages were more likely to die than any other group, even similarly disadvantaged populations in the other countries.

 

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2016/10/161013103132.htm

 

Good research article on causes and some solutions. 

 

Thanks for sharing. Sounds like an article that points to attacking the symptom instead of the disease. ...or maybe the effect instead of the cause.

[dickleyjones]

23 hours ago, B-Man said:

 

THE LEFT TWISTS THE LANGUAGE TO HIDE THE UGLINESS OF THEIR VIEWS:  

 

 

“Reproductive health” = abortion.

 

 

https://www.thenewneo.com/2022/05/11/reproductive-health-abortion/

 

 

Ah yes, only "the left" twists language.

 

The constant hyperbole here is tiresome.

[B-Man]

 

 

Abortion, racism, eugenics: Charles Payne and Sen. Tim Scott say the quiet part out loud

by Monica Showalter

 

https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2022/05/abortion_racism_eugenics_charles_payne_and_sen_tim_scott_say_the_quiet_part_out_loud.html

 

 

 

 

 

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

On 5/11/2022 at 8:52 AM, ALF said:

Infant mortality per 1,000 live births, 2017  Infant mortality (the death of an infant within the first year of life) is a widely-reported indicator of population health.

 

United States
5.8
Canada
4.5
France
3.9
United Kingdom
3.9
Belgium
3.6
Netherlands
3.6
Switzerland
3.5
Comparable Country Average
3.4
Australia
3.3
Germany
3.3
Austria
2.9
Sweden
2.4
Japan   Note: 2016 data shown for Japan
2.0

https://www.healthsystemtracker.org/chart-collection/infant-mortality-u-s-compare-countries/#Infant mortality per 1,000 live births, 2017

 

looks like the US needs universal healthcare like the rest of the civilized world
 

 

Have you ever lived somewhere with universal healthcare? I have and it’s not the utopia it’s made out to be, granted our current system of big pharma buying politicians and distributing deadly addictive opioids and colluding with big medicine, HC insurance and politicians has plenty of its own problems. 
 

Maybe if healthcare was paid for based on outcomes instead of treatments it would be different.