leh-nerd skin-erd Posted May 11, 2022 Share Posted May 11, 2022 Just now, dickleyjones said: I thought we were talking less than 8 weeks, the point was about human zygotes being equal to a child. It didn’t read like that was your point originally. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dickleyjones Posted May 11, 2022 Share Posted May 11, 2022 (edited) 11 hours ago, SoCal Deek said: What? You think the entire medical establishment is purposely ignoring the problem of miscarriages? Sure they are. That makes sense. Again…ridiculous! I think that if one believes that a human zygote is equivalent to a child, there is not nearly enough effort, considering the millions of deaths. Again, it in something on the magnitude of at least 1/4 (likely much more) of all deaths in usa each year. i mean, if the medical community really considered zygotes living children, there is no question in my mind that efforts to reduce miscarriage would be pushed hard. And those that do consider zygotes = child should also pour at least some of their efforts into that travesty. 5 minutes ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said: It didn’t read like that was your point originally. Sorry i wasn't clear. Edited May 11, 2022 by dickleyjones Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted May 11, 2022 Share Posted May 11, 2022 17 minutes ago, dickleyjones said: I think that if one believes that a human zygote is equivalent to a child, there is not nearly enough effort, considering the millions of deaths. Again, it in something on the magnitude of at least 1/4 (likely much more) of all deaths in usa each year. i mean, if the medical community really considered zygotes living children, there is no question in my mind that efforts to reduce miscarriage would be pushed hard. And those that do consider zygotes = child should also pour at least some of their efforts into that travesty. Sorry i wasn't clear. Sounds to me like you’ve got a career path laid out for yourself. Become a doctor and get to work. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted May 11, 2022 Share Posted May 11, 2022 24 minutes ago, dickleyjones said: I thought we were talking less than 8 weeks, the point was about human zygotes being equal to a child. Again, at less than 8 weeks, few know they're pregnant anyway. And if an embryo fails to survive, it was meant to be. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALF Posted May 11, 2022 Share Posted May 11, 2022 2 minutes ago, Doc said: Again, at less than 8 weeks, few know they're pregnant anyway. And if an embryo fails to survive, it was meant to be. My wife knew after missing her first period normally 4 weeks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dickleyjones Posted May 11, 2022 Share Posted May 11, 2022 3 minutes ago, Doc said: Again, at less than 8 weeks, few know they're pregnant anyway. And if an embryo fails to survive, it was meant to be. not knowing they're pregnant, that's true, but if there is a miscarriage the human zygote still dies. it doesn't matter if you know or not. "meant to be" wtf is that supposed to mean? in a medical context coming from a medical professional, no less. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted May 11, 2022 Share Posted May 11, 2022 1 minute ago, dickleyjones said: not knowing they're pregnant, that's true, but if there is a miscarriage the human zygote still dies. it doesn't matter if you know or not. "meant to be" wtf is that supposed to mean? in a medical context coming from a medical professional, no less. Meaning there is some problem with the fetus, typically genetic. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted May 11, 2022 Share Posted May 11, 2022 So if I’m reading these last few pages correctly the Left has already moved on from trying to promote abortion to instead trying to stop miscarriages? Well this latest week of ‘hair on fire’ liberal outrage didn’t last very long. Next? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dickleyjones Posted May 11, 2022 Share Posted May 11, 2022 4 minutes ago, Doc said: Meaning there is some problem with the fetus, typically genetic. sometimes it is genetic, sometimes not. many (if not all) possibly avoidable ie not "meant to be". 2 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said: So if I’m reading these last few pages correctly the Left has already moved on from trying to promote abortion to instead trying to stop miscarriages? Well this latest week of ‘hair on fire’ liberal outrage didn’t last very long. Next? one person (me) is "the left" now? why do conversations always have to devolve this way? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leh-nerd skin-erd Posted May 11, 2022 Share Posted May 11, 2022 40 minutes ago, dickleyjones said: Sorry i wasn't clear. No, it’s on me. I misread “medical community” as “god”. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted May 11, 2022 Share Posted May 11, 2022 1 minute ago, dickleyjones said: sometimes it is genetic, sometimes not. many (if not all) possibly avoidable ie not "meant to be". one person (me) is "the left" now? why do conversations always have to devolve this way? Dickie….don’t blame me. You took it down this odd cul-de-sac. Let’s see who ends up being right. The American people simply cannot take week after week of outrage. These stories all tend to burn themselves out. We’ve all seen it, time and time and time again. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted May 11, 2022 Share Posted May 11, 2022 7 minutes ago, dickleyjones said: sometimes it is genetic, sometimes not. many (if not all) possibly avoidable ie not "meant to be". Avoidable...how? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dickleyjones Posted May 11, 2022 Share Posted May 11, 2022 12 minutes ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said: No, it’s on me. I misread “medical community” as “god”. ah, that was purely theoretical for those who do believe. 7 minutes ago, Doc said: Avoidable...how? some things we could do now to help (eg early detection of pregnancy, regular testing). others we need more research (eg genetic manipulation, uterine structure, autoimmune disease). certainly more can be done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALF Posted May 11, 2022 Share Posted May 11, 2022 (edited) Infant mortality per 1,000 live births, 2017 Infant mortality (the death of an infant within the first year of life) is a widely-reported indicator of population health. United States 5.8 Canada 4.5 France 3.9 United Kingdom 3.9 Belgium 3.6 Netherlands 3.6 Switzerland 3.5 Comparable Country Average 3.4 Australia 3.3 Germany 3.3 Austria 2.9 Sweden 2.4 Japan Note: 2016 data shown for Japan 2.0 https://www.healthsystemtracker.org/chart-collection/infant-mortality-u-s-compare-countries/#Infant mortality per 1,000 live births, 2017 looks like the US needs universal healthcare like the rest of the civilized world Edited May 11, 2022 by ALF 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dickleyjones Posted May 11, 2022 Share Posted May 11, 2022 17 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said: Dickie….don’t blame me. You took it down this odd cul-de-sac. Let’s see who ends up being right. The American people simply cannot take week after week of outrage. These stories all tend to burn themselves out. We’ve all seen it, time and time and time again. i did. and i agree it is odd although we aren't talking about a straightforward question. as for american outrage - i thought constant outrage was your thing. right or left, it's outrage pretty much 24/7. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leh-nerd skin-erd Posted May 11, 2022 Share Posted May 11, 2022 29 minutes ago, ALF said: Infant mortality per 1,000 live births, 2017 Infant mortality (the death of an infant within the first year of life) is a widely-reported indicator of population health. United States 5.8 Canada 4.5 France 3.9 United Kingdom 3.9 Belgium 3.6 Netherlands 3.6 Switzerland 3.5 Comparable Country Average 3.4 Australia 3.3 Germany 3.3 Austria 2.9 Sweden 2.4 Japan Note: 2016 data shown for Japan 2.0 https://www.healthsystemtracker.org/chart-collection/infant-mortality-u-s-compare-countries/#Infant mortality per 1,000 live births, 2017 looks like the US needs universal healthcare like the rest of the civilized world It would certainly reduce the number Americans traveling to Edmonton for medical treatment, that’s for certain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted May 11, 2022 Share Posted May 11, 2022 50 minutes ago, dickleyjones said: some things we could do now to help (eg early detection of pregnancy, regular testing). others we need more research (eg genetic manipulation, uterine structure, autoimmune disease). certainly more can be done. Again there is only so much you can do. There are workarounds like in vitro, surrogates, and (in the future) selective gene manipulation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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SoCal Deek Posted May 11, 2022 Share Posted May 11, 2022 6 hours ago, dickleyjones said: i did. and i agree it is odd although we aren't talking about a straightforward question. as for american outrage - i thought constant outrage was your thing. right or left, it's outrage pretty much 24/7. Thanks your concern…I’m fine actually! I’ve yet to burn anything down, topple a statue, loot a liquor store or anything close. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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