Doc Brown Posted April 7, 2022 Share Posted April 7, 2022 (edited) 26 minutes ago, Warriorspikes51 said: Hyde’s contract was restructured weeks ago to free cap space Right but he didn't take a pay cut. He got a 5.68 million dollar restructure bonus as they just added three void years (dummie seasons) to the end of his contract. You add his base salary, workout bonus, plus his incentive bonus and it comes to about 7.7 million. Edited April 7, 2022 by Doc Brown Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Locomark Posted April 7, 2022 Share Posted April 7, 2022 Poyer is gone at the end of the year folks. Can’t keep the whole gang together and he is the oldest of the 2 safeties. This agent just seals that fate as he will want a $12-15 million / yr deal and that isn’t going to happen. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted April 7, 2022 Share Posted April 7, 2022 1 hour ago, Motor26 said: You are speculating an extension based on his Instagram wife tweets. I don’t think that’s how Beane or any decent NFL execute operates. Let him play this contract out and figure it out after the season. In the past, Beane has negotiated extensions with players who are important to the team before they enter their contract year. This happened previously with both Poyer and with Hyde. But, Beane is pretty strong in his views that "we don't discuss negotiations", period. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerboski Posted April 7, 2022 Share Posted April 7, 2022 20 minutes ago, Locomark said: Poyer is gone at the end of the year folks. Can’t keep the whole gang together and he is the oldest of the 2 safeties. This agent just seals that fate as he will want a $12-15 million / yr deal and that isn’t going to happen. Nor should it happen 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted April 7, 2022 Share Posted April 7, 2022 10 minutes ago, Locomark said: Poyer is gone at the end of the year folks. Can’t keep the whole gang together and he is the oldest of the 2 safeties. This agent just seals that fate as he will want a $12-15 million / yr deal and that isn’t going to happen. Hyde is actually slightly older than Poyer. Hyde Dec. 1990 Poyer April 1991 This is just a guess, but I'm thinking that Poyer and his camp may be looking at the contract Harrison Smith signed with the Vikings last season. Smith was 32 when he signed for 4 years, $64M ($26M guaranteed). He's been to 6 probowls and has 1 first-team all-pro. Is he better than Poyer? 🤷♂️ He is the outlier of the top-paid safeties as the rest were all 25-27 yrs old when they signed (OK, Quandre Diggs 29), but I think it's a safe bet that you're right, and Poyer wants to get paid like he did. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warriorspikes51 Posted April 7, 2022 Share Posted April 7, 2022 There’s no reason Poyer can’t play at an elite level for 2-3 more seasons Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Locomark Posted April 7, 2022 Share Posted April 7, 2022 4 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: Hyde is actually slightly older than Poyer. Hyde Dec. 1990 Poyer April 1991 This is just a guess, but I'm thinking that Poyer and his camp may be looking at the contract Harrison Smith signed with the Vikings last season. Smith was 32 when he signed for 4 years, $64M ($26M guaranteed). He's been to 6 probowls and has 1 first-team all-pro. Is he better than Poyer? 🤷♂️ He is the outlier of the top-paid safeties as the rest were all 25-27 yrs old when they signed (OK, Quandre Diggs 29), but I think it's a safe bet that you're right, and Poyer wants to get paid like he did. Poyer is a FA after ‘22 and Hyde is signed until ‘24 is why I said Poyer is gone first. It’s not about his level of play at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted April 7, 2022 Share Posted April 7, 2022 10 minutes ago, Locomark said: Poyer is a FA after ‘22 and Hyde is signed until ‘24 is why I said Poyer is gone first. It’s not about his level of play at all. You said he was the oldest of the two safeties, part of my point is that he's not, actually. I don't watch the Vikes so I have no idea how Poyer compares to Vikes safety Harrison Smith, that's my point about level of play. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Golden Posted April 7, 2022 Share Posted April 7, 2022 9 hours ago, DrDawkinstein said: Diggs, done. Knox, Davis, and Oliver next. Bye, Edmunds and Poyer, and likely Hyde the year after. Yes 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted April 7, 2022 Share Posted April 7, 2022 13 minutes ago, Warriorspikes51 said: There’s no reason Poyer can’t play at an elite level for 2-3 more seasons Open question, I have no idea: How many safeties play at an elite level at age 33-34? Tyrann Mathieu is still looking for a contract. He's about a month short of 30. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted April 7, 2022 Share Posted April 7, 2022 4 hours ago, YoloinOhio said: They need to draft one this year or next whether poyer stays or goes given the age of both safeties. Can’t see it being before the 3rd though, this regime has not drafted a non premium position in the first 2 rounds outside of edmunds and he was drafted to be the QB of the defense. Also depends on what their assessment is for Jaquan Johnson. That's an interesting point. They love Johnson as an STer, but I sort of had the impression that he'd been passed up on the depth chart for Safety by Hamlin, but Johnson did start and play the Houston game for Poyer. Thing is, Johnson will be a FA next season, this is the last year of his rookie deal (oh, and his agent? Drew Rosenhaus) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Locomark Posted April 7, 2022 Share Posted April 7, 2022 24 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: That's an interesting point. They love Johnson as an STer, but I sort of had the impression that he'd been passed up on the depth chart for Safety by Hamlin, but Johnson did start and play the Houston game for Poyer. Thing is, Johnson will be a FA next season, this is the last year of his rookie deal (oh, and his agent? Drew Rosenhaus) I guarantee they will be drafting a safety this year. The question is how high. Neither of their backups is very athletic. I think their future may include converting Tre in his later years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rock-A-Bye Beasley Posted April 7, 2022 Share Posted April 7, 2022 2 hours ago, Locomark said: Poyer is gone at the end of the year folks. Can’t keep the whole gang together and he is the oldest of the 2 safeties. This agent just seals that fate as he will want a $12-15 million / yr deal and that isn’t going to happen. this is a myth on the level of “we have no cap space” from a month ago. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Locomark Posted April 7, 2022 Share Posted April 7, 2022 1 hour ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: You said he was the oldest of the two safeties, part of my point is that he's not, actually. I don't watch the Vikes so I have no idea how Poyer compares to Vikes safety Harrison Smith, that's my point about level of play. Either way in 3 years I fully expect both will be gone and Tre will moved to safety by then. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Locomark Posted April 7, 2022 Share Posted April 7, 2022 (edited) 8 minutes ago, Rock-A-Bye Beasley said: this is a myth on the level of “we have no cap space” from a month ago. No this is not. Next year we will have to pay Oliver and Knox and Davis and a few others and we have now kicked a lot of money into that year already so there will be restraint to not give big money to the older players. The gravy train only works for players on an upward trajectory, not at the end of their career. The exception is someone like Von who filled a giant gap for us. A defense doesn’t need to pay any safety big money. Just Look at Tyron. He is still looking for a team and he is the same age as Micah and Jordan. It’s quite possible 2 years from now both safeties and Milano will all be gone due to their age and salary wants. Edited April 7, 2022 by Locomark 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Punching Bag Posted April 7, 2022 Share Posted April 7, 2022 2 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: He is the outlier of the top-paid safeties as the rest were all 25-27 yrs old when they signed (OK, Quandre Diggs 29), but I think it's a safe bet that you're right, and Poyer wants to get paid like he did. His new agent likely has convinced him he can even if it means holding out 10 games which is his usual strategy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
junior Posted April 7, 2022 Share Posted April 7, 2022 2 hours ago, Locomark said: Either way in 3 years I fully expect both will be gone and Tre will moved to safety by then. Why are we moving Tre to safety? Maybe it's just me, but I don't see consistent tackling as one of his strong suits. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted April 7, 2022 Share Posted April 7, 2022 Why pay rosenhaus when you have Rachel? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
babulator Posted April 7, 2022 Share Posted April 7, 2022 Could you imagine your wife angling your employer for a raise? When her looks fade, reality will hit hard. 😁 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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