Florida Bills Fanatic Posted March 30, 2022 Share Posted March 30, 2022 3 minutes ago, LEBills said: Yea I agree with him that it is sickening that taxpayer money is going to this, but it is the cost of doing business. If the Bills were to leave due to a lack of stadium, we would never get them back (or if we did it would cost more money to relocate them back) and the deal seems to repay itself over time better than I was expecting (based on the info the study info that was in the Bnews article if I interpreted it right). Overall, I wish the $800 million could have been allocated to other things and Kim and Terry pay their own way. But, I am glad that the taxes are at least going towards something all of Buffalo can enjoy for the next 30 years. The use of public funds is always a sensitive topic. We always seem to get upset over these highly visible expenditures and ignore the multitude of wasteful spending by the state every year. With the stadium, it will at least generate a return of tax revenue that will cover the $800 M during its useful life. For those that argue that Terry and Kim have the resources to pay for the stadium themselves, they are not taking into account the other communities that would pay significant amounts of money to lure the Bills out of Buffalo. It is like a competitive bidding situation where Western New York had the right of first refusal. Losing the Bills would be another nail in the coffin for an area that continues to lose population, jobs and relevance. If people in New York want to get upset about something, they should look into the reasons why the state is so regulated and taxed so highly that it has driven so many businesses and industries out of the state. Fix that problem and $800 M becomes a drop in the bucket. 2 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nucci Posted March 30, 2022 Share Posted March 30, 2022 17 minutes ago, Don Otreply said: Yet American citizens will re-elect the very same shysters from both parties over and over and over…, humans are not very smart, the cool thing for the parties is that they have successfully divided and conquered the nation, just look around, we have all been duped with this red state blue state crap, both parties are to blame, and we fall for it every election. There are alternatives, we could elect smart honest people who have the citizens best interests as their priority. unfortunately these type of people don't run for political office 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nedboy7 Posted March 30, 2022 Share Posted March 30, 2022 13 minutes ago, KDIGGZ said: Yes let's completely overlook the 10,000 jobs created, millions in taxable income for the state, increased entertainment options and quality of life for the region, opportunities for more business and sponsorship, national media coverage, and guaranteed 30 years of keeping our favorite team. Anyone who agrees with this nonsense doesn't understand how businesses work. You don't think an $850 million investment into the region will result in way more money coming back in? How much money does child services make for the state? Oh nothing? Hmm tough choice. Also I highly doubt it was an either or as they are proclaiming it to be, they are completely unrelated. Virtue signaling at it's finest. As I posted in a thread yesterday, the Pegula's are billionaires meaning they don't have to work a day in their life. They can float around on their yacht and live the good life and live off their investments. The fact that they choose to work so hard for our community and have created thousands of jobs between all of their companies in the process is so admirable it's almost unfathomable. Nobody should ever talk poorly about the Pegula's for all they have done for Buffalo. If they weren't making money on the Bills they would probably be making much more with less work elsewhere and then we wouldn't have a team. Because of them we will never have to worry about that again. how much money does child services make for the county? What? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoMAn Posted March 30, 2022 Share Posted March 30, 2022 Maybe the boom in job openings made it possible for some of the people getting assistance to become financially independent. Could be the $$800 millions wasn't as needed for families as it was during the height of the pandemic. Maybe some of the families moved to other states. Maybe the state investigated the recipients to see who was really needy and found a number of deadbeats who were able to provide for themselves and were then cut off. I have no idea if any of those things factored into it. Could be other reasons. But without knowing all the details, it's irresponsible to wag a finger at the state for pulling the rug out from underneath needy families. New York has historically been very generous with helping the less fortunate. Check back when you have all the facts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DasNootz Posted March 30, 2022 Share Posted March 30, 2022 2 minutes ago, Lost said: Can't Please Everybody...especially those in Seattle. Bills stadium is infrastructure...which is something both political parties generally agree on spending money on. Infrastructure = jobs and revenue for surrounding areas. Nobody would bat an eye if NY state quietly spent 800 million to build a new state of the art library or bus terminal. I'm against tax payers funding this unless it's a loan - even a 0 interest loan.... HOWEVA, this is nothing new - the state is also spending $30 million on a new ski lodge at Gore despite the fact that the state has lost over $200 million dollars running it's state owned ski resorts. Yankee Stadium received over $1.1 billion in public money and tax breaks (tax free bonds), CitiField, $614 million in public money and tax breaks. MSG gets a tax exemption currently worth over $40 million per year, and has for 40 years..., Barclays Center received $266 million in property tax exemptions.... this all in addition to the hundreds of billions of dollars in real estate tax exemptions for non-profits, STAR programs, industrial/commercial development etc. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nedboy7 Posted March 30, 2022 Share Posted March 30, 2022 Yes. Let’s all show gratitude to all the billionaires of the world for giving us sports at least. The solution to all our problems. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benderbender Posted March 30, 2022 Share Posted March 30, 2022 8 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said: He also has set a $75k Minimum Wage for his company which has been wildly successful and popular. It's so wildly popular, you can count the companies that have followed his business model on Anakin Skywalker's right hand. Just like with Elon Musk, a healthy dose of skepticism is required in modern times. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KDIGGZ Posted March 30, 2022 Share Posted March 30, 2022 5 minutes ago, nedboy7 said: how much money does child services make for the county? What? The answer is $0. Socialists want free money for their programs but they don't understand that the money has to come from somewhere. Maybe like from a millions in taxable income from an NFL franchise? Hmm 🤔 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobbRiddicksTDLeap Posted March 30, 2022 Share Posted March 30, 2022 36 minutes ago, What a Tuel said: I posted about this in the stadium thread just last night and it is a false and misleading argument. Hochul's proposed NYS budget cuts Children and Family Services funding by $800M (msn.com) "CNY Central has reached out directly to Governor Hochul's office for more context and perspective, as well as the Office of Children and Family Services. A spokesperson for OCFS tells CNY Central the proposed budget does not show a reduction in funding to local child protective services programs. Although the number may seem shocking, state leaders from the Governor's office and the Office of Children and Family Services tell CNY Central the absence of one-time pandemic relief money that was there before is the reason behind it." https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/hochuls-proposed-nys-budget-cuts-children-and-family-services-funding-by-800m/ar-AAVuWtR Sadly, this will go overlooked. It’s not sensational, it’s just the truth. The world we live in might get better if we all read more than headlines. Thanks for your common sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KDIGGZ Posted March 30, 2022 Share Posted March 30, 2022 2 minutes ago, nedboy7 said: Yes. Let’s all show gratitude to all the billionaires of the world for giving us sports at least. The solution to all our problems. Please feel free to take the risk to start a business, work so hard that you have no family or social life to speak of, work all day every day, lose years of your life, maybe you start to show some profits, then you have to deal with competitors trying to take you down and gobs of stress and strain on your body, and then if you somehow do succeed then everyone hates you and says it's not fair. It doesn't matter how much good you do or how many jobs you create, people will despise you. You wouldn't have the guts to start a business so please continue to just sit here on your computer and complain about it some more. We are all so enthralled with your point of view and overall demeanor 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted March 30, 2022 Share Posted March 30, 2022 8 minutes ago, benderbender said: It's so wildly popular, you can count the companies that have followed his business model on Anakin Skywalker's right hand. Just like with Elon Musk, a healthy dose of skepticism is required in modern times. Popular within the company for maintaining headcount and hiring new employees. Of course plenty of other CEOs will be as greedy as usual and keep wages as low as possible to milk wealth off the working class. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cv05 Posted March 30, 2022 Author Share Posted March 30, 2022 5 minutes ago, nedboy7 said: how much money does child services make for the county? What? 2 minutes ago, KDIGGZ said: The answer is $0. Socialists want free money for their programs but they don't understand that the money has to come from somewhere. Maybe like from a millions in taxable income from an NFL franchise? Hmm 🤔 Ha! This is the most ridiculous perspective you could possibly have. Family and Child Services saves children from abusive/neglectful situations. I'm not sure how to put a price tag on that exactly, but there is a very clear connection to that being an investment in our communities future. If you remove a child from a person with drug addiction issues or sexual abuse - and put them in a home that will care for them the impact on not just that child but everyone they interact with for the rest of their lives is immeasurable. Economists put ~$10 million to the value of a human life. There are about 15,000 kids in foster care in New York State right now. So if you consider the children as assets, that's a value of 150 billion dollars. How much does the investment (children) depreciate if they stay in a neglectful home? how about their children down the road? How about the kids they interact with at school? 2 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KDIGGZ Posted March 30, 2022 Share Posted March 30, 2022 (edited) 1 minute ago, cv05 said: Ha! This is the most ridiculous perspective you could possibly have. Family and Child Services saves children from abusive/neglectful situations. I'm not sure how to put a price tag on that exactly, but there is a very clear connection to that being an investment in our communities future. If you remove a child from a person with drug addiction issues or sexual abuse - and put them in a home that will care for them the impact on not just that child but everyone they interact with for the rest of their lives is immeasurable. Economists put ~$10 million to the value of a human life. There are about 15,000 kids in foster care in New York State right now. So if you consider the children as assets, that's a value of 150 billion dollars. How much does the investment (children) depreciate if they stay in a neglectful home? how about their children down the road? How about the kids they interact with at school? The point being you have to have money to pay for such things. Surely you understand how businesses work? People want to save the world which is nice but they have no clue how to do it and then they complain when you hit them with some reality. Oh it costs money? Do you hate kids? Let's just have free everything Edited March 30, 2022 by KDIGGZ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheyCallMeAndy Posted March 30, 2022 Share Posted March 30, 2022 Not a great look, but those scumbag politicians could find the funding for those kids and families. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rico Posted March 30, 2022 Share Posted March 30, 2022 Priorities people! I’d rather see $ spent on the Bills than children and family services. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloRebound Posted March 30, 2022 Share Posted March 30, 2022 (edited) It’s ok to be happy Bills are getting a new stadium and also not be happy about public money funding the majority of it. The Bills organization and players do a lot of great things for the community aside from entertaining us on Sundays so it makes this sh$t sandwich a little bit easier to swallow. Edited March 30, 2022 by BuffaloRebound 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cv05 Posted March 30, 2022 Author Share Posted March 30, 2022 2 minutes ago, KDIGGZ said: The point being you have to have money to pay for such things. Surely you understand how businesses work? People want to save the world which is nice but they have no clue how to do it and then they complain when you hit them with some reality. Oh it costs money? Do you hate kids? Let's just have free everything Oh, you know how to save the world? I am privileged. I have a good stable job with a profitable company. I pay taxes, a lot of them. I am happy to pay those taxes, and a large reason why I live in New York as opposed to Florida. Do I want those taxes to supplement Pegula's 5.8 billion dollar worth and create a couple jobs, or do I want it to support children who have a parent overdosing on the couch? I guess I view one scenario as a nice to have, and one as a clear need to have. You may feel differently, but you are wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ralonzo Posted March 30, 2022 Share Posted March 30, 2022 3 minutes ago, TheyCallMeAndy said: Not a great look, but those scumbag politicians could find the funding for those kids and families. When the people demand cuts in spending, police, teachers and firemen go first. That'll learn you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted March 30, 2022 Share Posted March 30, 2022 10 minutes ago, TheyCallMeAndy said: Not a great look, but those scumbag politicians could find the funding for those kids and families. The entire C&F services budget was $4.5 billion annually pre-cut and is now $3.7 billion post cut. So, once again over the 30 year stadium deal, C&F services will still receive $111 billion or enough to build four stadiums a year, every year, for thirty years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HereComesTheReignAgain Posted March 30, 2022 Share Posted March 30, 2022 14 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said: Popular within the company for maintaining headcount and hiring new employees. Of course plenty of other CEOs will be as greedy as usual and keep wages as low as possible to milk wealth off the working class. How much do you pay your employees? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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