Mr. WEO Posted April 23, 2022 Share Posted April 23, 2022 1 hour ago, Doc said: Some teams will demand new stadiums and (also) get tons of money from their states and counties. Others will have renovations done. What the Bills do in 25 years is anyone's guess. yeah...like I said 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted April 23, 2022 Share Posted April 23, 2022 34 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said: yeah...like I said Yeah, you said stuff... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted April 23, 2022 Share Posted April 23, 2022 17 minutes ago, Doc said: Yeah, you said stuff... "Any talk of the Ravens, Bucs, Browns, Titans, Steelers, Broncos, Seahawks, Lions and Texans getting new stadiums, which are at or over the 20 year mark?" "I the next 10 years you will hear calls for many of those stadiums to be replaced. The RCA Dome made it to 23 years. Silverdome made int to 26 years. 3 Rivers made it to 30. Giants stadium 33. Bills stadium is the only place hitting 50 without a major overhaul. Other than the above, there is no stadium over 35 years old." 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted April 23, 2022 Share Posted April 23, 2022 56 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said: "Any talk of the Ravens, Bucs, Browns, Titans, Steelers, Broncos, Seahawks, Lions and Texans getting new stadiums, which are at or over the 20 year mark?" "I the next 10 years you will hear calls for many of those stadiums to be replaced. The RCA Dome made it to 23 years. Silverdome made int to 26 years. 3 Rivers made it to 30. Giants stadium 33. Bills stadium is the only place hitting 50 without a major overhaul. Other than the above, there is no stadium over 35 years old." Great, one of those teams is getting a new stadium (the other was conjecture and highly unlikely given the cheapness of Mike Brown and the money he'll need to pay Joe Burrow soon). It's no more a proven trend than the Bills, and now the Titans, getting massive taxpayer money is a trend. So unless every team with a stadium that is 25+ years old gets replaced, my points that stadiums don't have to be replaced after 25 years and you have no idea what will happen in 25 years with the Bills' stadium still stand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Brown Posted April 23, 2022 Share Posted April 23, 2022 (edited) 23 hours ago, What a Tuel said: Lawmakers approve budget with $500 million for Titans' new stadium (msn.com) https://titanswire.usatoday.com/2022/04/16/tennessee-titans-new-stadium-conceptual-design/ The remaining funds for the enclosed stadium, which is projected to cost anywhere from $1.9 to $2.2 billion and could be finished by 2026, will come from the Looks like they will have a top on theirs Makes sense in a booming region as they'll want to host Final fours, college bowl games, more concerts, Super Bowls, etc... Makes a lot more sense for them to have an enclosed downtown stadium than the Bills. Edited April 23, 2022 by Doc Brown Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted April 23, 2022 Share Posted April 23, 2022 17 hours ago, Limeaid said: • Building downtown may not have been worth it anyway Hearsay! Fake news! Misinformation! Downtown and the dome was the way to go. 🤑 Im sure the stadium will be nice but we’ll regret not doing it right. Just like with the current stadium. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted April 23, 2022 Share Posted April 23, 2022 3 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said: Im sure the stadium will be nice but we’ll regret not doing it right. Just like with the current stadium. Regret not doing it when it comes to Bills games? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AuntieEm Posted April 23, 2022 Share Posted April 23, 2022 On 4/6/2022 at 2:50 PM, TheFunPolice said: The Seneca money comes from WNY is my point. That's where the casinos are and most of their customers are from this general vicinity. I could be wrong, but I doubt people are coming from all over America to go to Salamanca to gamble. Overall, I typically enjoy your posts, so I appreciate the back and forth. We just disagree on this one, and that's fine. Indeed seems like a good deal gamblers paying of the states share, but the money is generated in wny. Rather it spent on wny stuff than funding upstate on something I won't likely use. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted April 23, 2022 Share Posted April 23, 2022 3 hours ago, Buffalo_Stampede said: Im sure the stadium will be nice but we’ll regret not doing it right. Just like with the current stadium. I’d love to hear your definition of ‘right’. We haven’t even seen a rendering yet. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LabattBlue Posted April 24, 2022 Share Posted April 24, 2022 1 hour ago, SoCal Deek said: I’d love to hear your definition of ‘right’. We haven’t even seen a rendering yet. no dome = wrong dome = right 2 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted April 24, 2022 Share Posted April 24, 2022 8 hours ago, Doc said: Great, one of those teams is getting a new stadium (the other was conjecture and highly unlikely given the cheapness of Mike Brown and the money he'll need to pay Joe Burrow soon). It's no more a proven trend than the Bills, and now the Titans, getting massive taxpayer money is a trend. So unless every team with a stadium that is 25+ years old gets replaced, my points that stadiums don't have to be replaced after 25 years and you have no idea what will happen in 25 years with the Bills' stadium still stand. No one is arguing otherwise. The point is....owners simply want it anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted April 24, 2022 Share Posted April 24, 2022 2 hours ago, SoCal Deek said: I’d love to hear your definition of ‘right’. We haven’t even seen a rendering yet. Dome downtown. We got neither. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted April 24, 2022 Share Posted April 24, 2022 42 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said: Dome downtown. We got neither. That probably would have been my preference. However, we got my TOP priority, and the Bills will remain in WNY. I can live with anything that might look like. I feel blessed by this team and their presence in their proper home. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted April 24, 2022 Share Posted April 24, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, Mr. WEO said: No one is arguing otherwise. The point is....owners simply want it anyway. Some do, some don't. We won't know what the owners of the Bills will do in 29 years...until that time. And it won't be Terry, or even Kim making the call, since she'll be 81 then. 1 hour ago, Buffalo_Stampede said: Dome downtown. We got neither. Again at the cost of another billion dollars to the taxpayers, it was never going to happen. Edited April 24, 2022 by Doc 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted April 24, 2022 Share Posted April 24, 2022 21 minutes ago, Doc said: Some do, some don't. We won't know what the owners of the Bills will do in 29 years...until that time. And it won't be Terry, or even Kim making the call, since she'll be 81 then. Again at the cost of another billion dollars to the taxpayers, it was never going to happen. Exactly Every publication from The New York times To The Wall Street journal is complaining about it already It would be another billion with a downtown dome ... It was never happening Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McDeerInTheHeadlights Posted April 24, 2022 Share Posted April 24, 2022 (edited) The cold truth is that from a financial standpoint WNY is a region that can barely support an NFL franchise. All the passionate tailgating, jumping through tables and waiting in freezing temperatures outside the airport in the world can't change that. Keeping that in mind, everyone involved agreed on the only viable solution for a new stadium in WNY. Sure, halfway through the new lease the Bills stadium might be the only open air stadium left in the NFL, but there was no other way around it. Edited April 24, 2022 by McDeerInTheHeadlights Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted April 24, 2022 Share Posted April 24, 2022 41 minutes ago, McDeerInTheHeadlights said: The cold truth is that from a financial standpoint WNY is a region that can barely support an NFL franchise. All the passionate tailgating, jumping through tables and waiting in freezing temperatures outside the airport in the world can't change that. Keeping that in mind, everyone involved agreed on the only viable solution for a new stadium in WNY. Sure, halfway through the new lease the Bills stadium might be the only open air stadium left in the NFL, but there was no other way around it. Guaranteed it's not 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted April 24, 2022 Share Posted April 24, 2022 1 hour ago, Doc said: Some do, some don't. We won't know what the owners of the Bills will do in 29 years...until that time. And it won't be Terry, or even Kim making the call, since she'll be 81 then. Again at the cost of another billion dollars to the taxpayers, it was never going to happen. Today no, 5 years ago it was possible. The whole point is they waited until there was no possible way to build downtown. They had no other options. 49 minutes ago, McDeerInTheHeadlights said: The cold truth is that from a financial standpoint WNY is a region that can barely support an NFL franchise. All the passionate tailgating, jumping through tables and waiting in freezing temperatures outside the airport in the world can't change that. Keeping that in mind, everyone involved agreed on the only viable solution for a new stadium in WNY. Sure, halfway through the new lease the Bills stadium might be the only open air stadium left in the NFL, but there was no other way around it. I can’t see Pittsburgh and Green Bay with roofs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McDeerInTheHeadlights Posted April 24, 2022 Share Posted April 24, 2022 1 hour ago, Buffalo_Stampede said: Today no, 5 years ago it was possible. The whole point is they waited until there was no possible way to build downtown. They had no other options. I can’t see Pittsburgh and Green Bay with roofs. It doesn't really matter. Building anything different in WNY would have been financially reckless for anyone involved, from the Pegulas through the NFL to local and state authorities. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Brown Posted April 24, 2022 Share Posted April 24, 2022 (edited) 2 hours ago, McDeerInTheHeadlights said: It doesn't really matter. Building anything different in WNY would have been financially reckless for anyone involved, from the Pegulas through the NFL to local and state authorities. I think they would've been able to figure out how to put up an extra estimated 109 million to build a stadium that would be able to support a roof when people finally came to their senses. Just a small quibble though as I find it a minor miracle they managed to build a new NFL stadium in the 2nd smallest NFL market (53rd overall) behind Green Bay . I'm sure with revenue sharing there were a lot of other owners that would've loved for them to move to a bigger market. Edited April 24, 2022 by Doc Brown 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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