LeGOATski Posted April 19, 2022 Share Posted April 19, 2022 1 minute ago, Doc said: I figured that the PLA was already factored-into the cost. And the Pegulas I believe are on the hook for any cost overruns. Yep, but that doesn't negate the argument that the cost could've been lower. And decreasing the chance of overruns is exactly why the Pegulas would want the PLA. They care more about the certainty and timing of the project than they do about the dollar difference. They're going to recoup that difference anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted April 19, 2022 Share Posted April 19, 2022 11 minutes ago, Doc said: I figured that the PLA was already factored-into the cost. And the Pegulas I believe are on the hook for any cost overruns. It doesn’t work that way. Unlike what most lay people think, architects design with a budget in mind. In fact it’s written into their Contract. So if the architect knows the client has chosen a really expensive delivery model, they just design less stadium. Make sense? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albany,n.y. Posted April 19, 2022 Share Posted April 19, 2022 Our local news (Ch 10) just had an economist from Massachusetts who knocked the deal. The idiots in the media at this end of the state won't give up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tenhigh Posted April 19, 2022 Share Posted April 19, 2022 (edited) 2 hours ago, BTB said: I didn’t say they would be lying. What did you mean by "claim" then? Edited April 19, 2022 by Tenhigh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LabattBlue Posted April 19, 2022 Share Posted April 19, 2022 6 minutes ago, Tenhigh said: What did you mean by "claim" then? That is what some of them will say. You want to dissect every word of my post? Go ahead, I am moving on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted April 20, 2022 Share Posted April 20, 2022 3 hours ago, SoCal Deek said: It doesn’t work that way. Unlike what most lay people think, architects design with a budget in mind. In fact it’s written into their Contract. So if the architect knows the client has chosen a really expensive delivery model, they just design less stadium. Make sense? You would know better than I do. Hopefully they don't cut corners. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted April 20, 2022 Share Posted April 20, 2022 11 hours ago, Doc said: You would know better than I do. Hopefully they don't cut corners. There are corners everywhere in design. With few exceptions, no projects have unlimited budgets. The Bills Stadium already has one. The architects will make a hundred decisions every day about what can and cannot be included in the final design. It’s what we’re trained to do. As I’ve mentioned previously on here, Populous is known for producing very contemporary designs. I’m not sure how appropriate that is for suburban WNY and I’m a bit concerned that they’ll produce what we call an ‘object building’ and thus be forced to cut the functional corners that Bills fans would prefer over some iconic structure only visible by the relatively few people who attend home games. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfanmiamioh Posted April 20, 2022 Share Posted April 20, 2022 15 hours ago, LeGOATski said: Yep, but that doesn't negate the argument that the cost could've been lower. And decreasing the chance of overruns is exactly why the Pegulas would want the PLA. They care more about the certainty and timing of the project than they do about the dollar difference. They're going to recoup that difference anyway. In todays labor market, just having a consistent workforce will generate cost savings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted April 20, 2022 Share Posted April 20, 2022 16 hours ago, LeGOATski said: Yep, but that doesn't negate the argument that the cost could've been lower. And decreasing the chance of overruns is exactly why the Pegulas would want the PLA. They care more about the certainty and timing of the project than they do about the dollar difference. They're going to recoup that difference anyway. Having a PLA in place has zero impact on cost overruns. The two are completely unrelated. Once the design is set and permits are pulled the vast vast majority of what lay people call cost overruns are caused by unforeseen conditions (unexpected ground water, excessive rain, etc), and by the Owners changing their minds about design issues and amenities during construction. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tenhigh Posted April 20, 2022 Share Posted April 20, 2022 14 hours ago, BTB said: That is what some of them will say. You want to dissect every word of my post? Go ahead, I am moving on. By all means, just a weird way to phrase it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted April 21, 2022 Share Posted April 21, 2022 (edited) Edited April 21, 2022 by Buffalo_Stampede Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
What a Tuel Posted April 22, 2022 Share Posted April 22, 2022 (edited) Lawmakers approve budget with $500 million for Titans' new stadium (msn.com) https://titanswire.usatoday.com/2022/04/16/tennessee-titans-new-stadium-conceptual-design/ According to Adam Friedman and Melissa Brown of The Tennessean, who cite documents from Govenor Bill Lee’s office, the approved $500 million will cost taxpayers $710 million over 20 years. The remaining funds for the enclosed stadium, which is projected to cost anywhere from $1.9 to $2.2 billion and could be finished by 2026, will come from the team, Metro Nashville, and the NFL. Looks like they will have a top on theirs Edited April 22, 2022 by What a Tuel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted April 23, 2022 Share Posted April 23, 2022 On 4/21/2022 at 8:17 AM, Buffalo_Stampede said: • Building downtown may not have been worth it anyway Hearsay! Fake news! Misinformation! Downtown and the dome was the way to go. 🤑 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shake_My_Head Posted April 23, 2022 Share Posted April 23, 2022 On 4/20/2022 at 8:21 AM, SoCal Deek said: Populous is known for producing very contemporary designs. I’m not sure how appropriate that is for suburban WNY and I’m a bit concerned that they’ll produce what we call an ‘object building’ and thus be forced to cut the functional corners that Bills fans would prefer over some iconic structure only visible by the relatively few people who attend home games. Scott Radecic (Populous' senior principal) is VERY familiar with Buffalo as he played here. That's actually sort of incredible, when you think about it--what other new stadium can say a former player was invoved in its design. I have no doubt that Populous will design a beautiful, WNY-friendly stadium, not some generic monolith. https://populous.com/people/scott-radecic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted April 23, 2022 Share Posted April 23, 2022 4 minutes ago, Limeaid said: • Building downtown may not have been worth it anyway Hearsay! Fake news! Misinformation! Downtown and the dome was the way to go. 🤑 Not for the extra infrastructure costs People are complaining about the deal now but you think if it was downtown and a dome ... Which would probably be a billion Dollars more after everything... That people wouldn't complain? Please , their was going to be complaining regardless... And all the reports show stadiums DO NOT impact an economy that much So downtown buffalo was or is not a downtown stadium away from revival .. in fact it's been in revival for 15 years sans stadium It's a beautiful city and it's going to continue to be a beautiful city regardless of where the stadium is Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Just Jack Posted April 23, 2022 Share Posted April 23, 2022 6 hours ago, What a Tuel said: Lawmakers approve budget with $500 million for Titans' new stadium (msn.com) https://titanswire.usatoday.com/2022/04/16/tennessee-titans-new-stadium-conceptual-design/ According to Adam Friedman and Melissa Brown of The Tennessean, who cite documents from Govenor Bill Lee’s office, the approved $500 million will cost taxpayers $710 million over 20 years. The remaining funds for the enclosed stadium, which is projected to cost anywhere from $1.9 to $2.2 billion and could be finished by 2026, will come from the team, Metro Nashville, and the NFL. Looks like they will have a top on theirs Now it's getting ridiculous. Their stadium won't even be 30 years old (built in 1999) when the new one is done. Have we entered the time of disposable stadiums? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsfaninSB Posted April 23, 2022 Share Posted April 23, 2022 54 minutes ago, Just Jack said: Now it's getting ridiculous. Their stadium won't even be 30 years old (built in 1999) when the new one is done. Have we entered the time of disposable stadiums? Yep. FedEx is apparently no good. The St Louis Rams needed a new stadium. Both built in mid 90s. I wonder if Cincinnati is next. At least they got their moneys worth out of Highmark. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted April 23, 2022 Share Posted April 23, 2022 3 hours ago, Just Jack said: Now it's getting ridiculous. Their stadium won't even be 30 years old (built in 1999) when the new one is done. Have we entered the time of disposable stadiums? 2 hours ago, BillsfaninSB said: Yep. FedEx is apparently no good. The St Louis Rams needed a new stadium. Both built in mid 90s. I wonder if Cincinnati is next. At least they got their moneys worth out of Highmark. like I said..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALF Posted April 23, 2022 Share Posted April 23, 2022 PLA On Bills Stadium Project Is Good For Taxpayers The $1.4 billion construction plan that will include a Project Labor Agreement (PLA) guarantees highly skilled union trained workers will only be hired with a promise that the best construction practices will be carried out to ensure a high-quality stadium build. Further, the yet to be signed PLA promises a timely supply of workers and a no strike guarantee. https://www.post-journal.com/opinion/letters-to-the-editor/2022/04/pla-on-bills-stadium-project-is-good-for-taxpayers/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted April 23, 2022 Share Posted April 23, 2022 8 hours ago, Mr. WEO said: like I said..... Some teams will demand new stadiums and (also) get tons of money from their states and counties. Others will have renovations done. What the Bills do in 25 years is anyone's guess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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