GoBills808 Posted March 22, 2022 Share Posted March 22, 2022 18 minutes ago, FilthyBeast said: Good stuff but nobody cares about paper tigers or offseason champions this time of year. Media love was off the charts at times last year as well heading into the season. Correctly, as it turned out Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted March 22, 2022 Share Posted March 22, 2022 (edited) 30 minutes ago, FilthyBeast said: Good stuff but nobody cares about paper tigers or offseason champions this time of year. Media love was off the charts at times last year as well heading into the season. The Bills were one of the best teams in the NFL and proved that again in 2021, so of course the media was talking up the Bills last off-season. And they continue to do it this off-season because it is again true. 30 minutes ago, FilthyBeast said: Edited March 22, 2022 by MJS 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Never NEVER Give-up Posted March 22, 2022 Share Posted March 22, 2022 I took SCBILLS list and paired-off the replacements with 2021 Bills . . . I suppose we could substitute OJ for Sanders but they don't play the same position. Maybe Hutchens breaks into the lineup and out for the first time and he can be Sanders replacement. That leaves DB as a position to upgrade. I am not worried about Jackson stepping in for Wallace; I am worried about White returning from injury by opening day (late Sept - Oct may be more realistic). We may need another corner until Tre Dey is back and healthy. 4 1 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shake_My_Head Posted March 22, 2022 Share Posted March 22, 2022 Silly that a guy like Hanzus emphasizes the size of Miller's contract, even though it's essentially comparable to the one Chandler Jones got ($3 years, $52MM guaranteed). Miller > Jones, roughly the same age and a sure HOF-er. Whereas Jones will have to buy a ticket, just like the rest of us. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted March 22, 2022 Share Posted March 22, 2022 7 minutes ago, Never NEVER Give-up said: I took SCBILLS list and paired-off the replacements with 2021 Bills . . . I suppose we could substitute OJ for Sanders but they don't play the same position. Maybe Hutchens breaks into the lineup and out for the first time and he can be Sanders replacement. That leaves DB as a position to upgrade. I am not worried about Jackson stepping in for Wallace; I am worried about White returning from injury by opening day (late Sept - Oct may be more realistic). We may need another corner until Tre Dey is back and healthy. I think we should also account for Tre White's absence in 2022. I think it's a lofty goal to think he'll be back before week 8. In addition to replacing Levi Wallace, I think CB1 should be an Area of Need and I certainly hope we're not planning on taking the field with a rookie and one of our existing CBs. 2 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCBills Posted March 22, 2022 Share Posted March 22, 2022 7 minutes ago, Shake_My_Head said: Silly that a guy like Hanzus emphasizes the size of Miller's contract, even though it's essentially comparable to the one Chandler Jones got ($3 years, $52MM guaranteed). Miller > Jones, roughly the same age and a sure HOF-er. Whereas Jones will have to buy a ticket, just like the rest of us. I hate when media folks do this. Not just for Von, but they always emphasize the max value of massive contracts - and they, of all people - know what the real contract is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reks Ryan Posted March 22, 2022 Share Posted March 22, 2022 1 hour ago, SCBills said: Curious how this offseason's roster turnover compares to other teams (in terms of sheer numbers) Seems like we've done a massive overhaul around the core guys. OUT: Harrison Phillips Star Lotululei Vernon Butler Jerry Hughes Mario Addison AJ Klein Levi Wallace Cole Beasley Emmanuel Sanders Jon Feliciano Darryl Williams Matt Breida Mitch Trubisky Davis Webb IN: Daquan Jones Tim Settle Jordan Phillips Von Miller Shaq Lawson Marquel Lee Roger Saffold Greg Mancz Duke Johnson OJ Howard Jamison Crowder Case Keenum Matt Barkley There is a risk in the sheer volume of player turnover the Bills are going through compared to the last 2 years. And I worry about replacing the tough durable guys like Hughes, Addison, Beasley, and D. Williams. Best ability is availability. Also hope R. Bates doesn't get added to the out list. It's impressive that Beane & co. found a direct replacement for everyone on the out list, with the exception of E. Sanders, Klein, and Wallace. And there are guys on the roster who have the potential to replace the production of those 3. Plus the draft and leftover free agents to fill out the roster. When you factor in that Von Miller, Daquan Jones, Roger Saffold, and OJ Howard are all upgrades over their predecessors it's a strong off season. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
White Linen Posted March 22, 2022 Share Posted March 22, 2022 Ever excited we will be all off season, the Miller signing will still be underrated. He was an absolute massive get. What he's going to do for us in the immediate will be bigger than anything we've done since getting Allen then of course Diggs, IMO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freddyjj Posted March 22, 2022 Author Share Posted March 22, 2022 24 minutes ago, Reks Ryan said: There is a risk in the sheer volume of player turnover the Bills are going through compared to the last 2 years. And I worry about replacing the tough durable guys like Hughes, Addison, Beasley, and D. Williams. Best ability is availability. Also hope R. Bates doesn't get added to the out list. It's impressive that Beane & co. found a direct replacement for everyone on the out list, with the exception of E. Sanders, Klein, and Wallace. And there are guys on the roster who have the potential to replace the production of those 3. Plus the draft and leftover free agents to fill out the roster. When you factor in that Von Miller, Daquan Jones, Roger Saffold, and OJ Howard are all upgrades over their predecessors it's a strong off season. Yes more starters loss vs previous off season. Klein replacement likely a draft pick my guess. Wallace and Sanders are also likley to be draftees unless Beane can find a Vet CB in bargain bin. With Tre hurt, another Vet and a Stud rookie CB makes sense. And we know that Dane Jackson can pitch in too. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tanoros Posted March 22, 2022 Share Posted March 22, 2022 2 hours ago, Ethan in Portland said: We had a great off-season last year too. I thought Beane did a great job bring back his own guys in Milano, Wallace, and Williams and of course extending Allen. He upgraded WR with Sanders. He also got some gusy to take pay cuts. This off-season so far looks even better. I don't worship at the altar of Beane like some others on this board and disagree with some moves, but I can't fault any move so far this off-season. I may have brought back Sanders over Crowder and may have tried to keep Wallace for the small dollars he signed in Pittsburgh. But assuming they draft a CB high I'm absolutely fine with the direction so far. I just hope he has the right coaching staff to get the job done. Don’t discount Sanders coming back still. I see him as a potential after the draft guy who is brought back. He said he will probably retire, but if he comes back it would only be with the Bills. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Never NEVER Give-up Posted March 22, 2022 Share Posted March 22, 2022 44 minutes ago, SCBills said: I hate when media folks do this. Not just for Von, but they always emphasize the max value of massive contracts - and they, of all people - know what the real contract is. Spot on. Listen to Pat MacAfee's podcast with Bean on Youtube. In it Bean says it's a $17.5M/yr x 3 yrs contract (or $52.5 over 3 yrs). Great listen, fun conversation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billybrew1 Posted March 22, 2022 Share Posted March 22, 2022 3 hours ago, freddyjj said: https://www.nfl.com/news/nfl-power-rankings-post-2022-nfl-free-agency Dan Hanzus elevates the Bills from previous #3 ranking to #1. Rams drop from 1 to 2, Chiefs from 2 to 3. The "All in" mantra is strong with this one. I would feel better with a true stud CB opposite Tre - likely through draft. Also need a speed WR to play outside and a RG - I am hoping it will be Bates. The bigger question is what do we do for the first half of the season without Tre and only Dane? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billybrew1 Posted March 22, 2022 Share Posted March 22, 2022 I don’t understand how SD is not #1? Or, at least top 3…. I think our defense is largely a question mark still. If the Young DEs cannot create pressure and the tackles don’t get much push, we’re sunk. We still also have huge question marks in the secondary…. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freddyjj Posted March 22, 2022 Author Share Posted March 22, 2022 6 minutes ago, billybrew1 said: The bigger question is what do we do for the first half of the season without Tre and only Dane? Yes I share your concern. Mike Hughes is a vet CB available in FA that I like as he is affordable and could step in and start with Dane. Also I have to believe OBD is taking a CB in Rd 1 or 2 as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freddyjj Posted March 22, 2022 Author Share Posted March 22, 2022 (edited) 7 minutes ago, billybrew1 said: I don’t understand how SD is not #1? Or, at least top 3…. I think our defense is largely a question mark still. If the Young DEs cannot create pressure and the tackles don’t get much push, we’re sunk. We still also have huge question marks in the secondary…. LAC were horrible versus the run gave up 3rd most yards, 2nd most Rushing TDs and 4.6 YPC. Signing Mack and Jackson wont help them here - maybe Sebastian Day will. Edited March 22, 2022 by freddyjj Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billybrew1 Posted March 22, 2022 Share Posted March 22, 2022 1 hour ago, Never NEVER Give-up said: I took SCBILLS list and paired-off the replacements with 2021 Bills . . . I suppose we could substitute OJ for Sanders but they don't play the same position. Maybe Hutchens breaks into the lineup and out for the first time and he can be Sanders replacement. That leaves DB as a position to upgrade. I am not worried about Jackson stepping in for Wallace; I am worried about White returning from injury by opening day (late Sept - Oct may be more realistic). We may need another corner until Tre Dey is back and healthy. I like this chart. Even if Dane can replace Wallace, we’re still down Dane. And I don’t think Dane is as good as Wallace. We need two CBs, imho…. We need a speed WR…. Or an outside WR…To give us more speed and depth, imho…. Then the big question is will this defense gel and when if the answer is yes. We need pressure opposite Von and we need to push the pocket a lot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Wiz Posted March 22, 2022 Share Posted March 22, 2022 1 hour ago, SCBills said: I hate when media folks do this. Not just for Von, but they always emphasize the max value of massive contracts - and they, of all people - know what the real contract is. I'm actually surprised the amount of media that has pointed out what the contract really is vs the people that are gawking at it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted March 22, 2022 Share Posted March 22, 2022 Off topic, but I didn’t want to make a new thread so I’ll throw it here. Cowherd listed his top 10 playmaking units in the nfl. We weren’t there. I didn’t expect us to be there. I’d hope that Beane (and josh) can change that in the next year or 2. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jlgarsh Posted March 22, 2022 Share Posted March 22, 2022 4 hours ago, Ethan in Portland said: We had a great off-season last year too. I thought Beane did a great job bring back his own guys in Milano, Wallace, and Williams and of course extending Allen. He upgraded WR with Sanders. He also got some gusy to take pay cuts. This off-season so far looks even better. I don't worship at the altar of Beane like some others on this board and disagree with some moves, but I can't fault any move so far this off-season. I may have brought back Sanders over Crowder and may have tried to keep Wallace for the small dollars he signed in Pittsburgh. But assuming they draft a CB high I'm absolutely fine with the direction so far. I just hope he has the right coaching staff to get the job done. I think Beane alluded to the McKissic situation having a domino effect, and contributing to not being able to do some other moves they'd hoped. From a $$$ perspective, Levi was only a bit more in AAV. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dablitzkrieg Posted March 22, 2022 Share Posted March 22, 2022 Funny. I had them as #1 before the signing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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