NewEra Posted March 18, 2022 Share Posted March 18, 2022 Just now, Warcodered said: If we can't we don't want to anyway. Yeah….but we’ll need a new starting guard. Another hole to fill. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
muppy Posted March 18, 2022 Share Posted March 18, 2022 4 hours ago, Solomon Grundy said: We thought the same about Wyatt Teller OUCH. .......yep *pouts* The Bills OL is in flex right now I like to be optimistic regarding player evaluations so my thinking is Bates made an appreciable positive difference when the line was needing it badly. I say at least try to keep him and not create another OL vacancy need. Know what I mean? and Yes I know the draft is upcoming and ultimately I need to trust the process and wait to see how this all shakes out. I want to trust that Bates is an answer NOT a question mark at this point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrEpsYtown Posted March 18, 2022 Share Posted March 18, 2022 32 minutes ago, NewEra said: This is currently the scariest thread. Every time I click I’m like afraid of possible bad news. Losing Bates was not part of this offseason plan imo. If we lose him, they’ll be kicking themselves for that tender. I just quoted you and added a comment so that you have to come check the thread 🤷♂️ 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LABILLBACKER Posted March 18, 2022 Share Posted March 18, 2022 5 hours ago, John from Riverside said: I think he is a little better then that....but replacable He's hardly a JAG. He's done nothing but come in when needed and played admirably at LG, RG & C. If you can sign him for that extra 1.5 just do it. Or else we'll have to draft Zion Johnson @ 25? No CB or WR..... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atlbillsfan1975 Posted March 18, 2022 Share Posted March 18, 2022 I like Bates a lot, but the fact the Pats are looking to replace Mason with him is another indication of how poorly Belichick is running that team w/o Brady there to cover up his mistakes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frostbitmic Posted March 18, 2022 Share Posted March 18, 2022 If we lose him to another team at least we still have Ford. Avoiding the rocks being thrown at me. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShakAttack Posted March 18, 2022 Share Posted March 18, 2022 10 minutes ago, LABILLBACKER said: He's hardly a JAG. He's done nothing but come in when needed and played admirably at LG, RG & C. If you can sign him for that extra 1.5 just do it. Or else we'll have to draft Zion Johnson @ 25? No CB or WR..... Exactly what I am afraid of. This signing is incredibly important. Can’t have those 3 major needs going into the draft and if we do I believe Priorities become 1. CB 2. OG 3. WR 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreggTX Posted March 18, 2022 Share Posted March 18, 2022 Why do we need a thread for a backup caliber IOL? It's not like he can't be easily replaced on day 3 of the draft. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buddo Posted March 18, 2022 Share Posted March 18, 2022 10 hours ago, MrEpsYtown said: Perusing what is left of the guard market there is not much left, especially when you consider that this team seems to be looking for the RAS guys. Unsurprisingly, Cody Ford had some terrible agility score. My conclusion is that we really need to try to keep Bates. Will Hernandez - Somewhat surprising to me, but he has some nice athletic traits. Hernandez did not have a great start to his career with the Giants, but really who has? There is upside there. Honestly, Hernandez is really the only guy out there who is still young with upside. Laurent Duvernay-Tardif? Maybe. Former Chief that was pushed out of a job. The Jets probably cut Greg Van Roten, who surprisingly, (at least to me) posted a great RAS score coming out but he was atrocious with the Jets. He was solid with the Panthers. We had rumored interest in him during free agency. My unrealistic dream is that the Falcons miss out on Watson, trade Matty ice, go into full rebuild mode, and trade us Chris Lindstrom. FYI The Vikings version of Tremaine, message board scapegoat, is Garrett Bradbury. It looks like they are thinking of Bates as a center upgrade. They should sign JC Tretter and leave our guy alone. Bates RAS was 9.5, so I doubt his athleticism is a problem scheme wise. Tbh, while I understand the notion that the Cheats are interested from the 'weaken opponent, improve us' viewpoint, Bates RAS and the fact they got to see him close up, makes me think that there's more genuine interest. Belichick often drafts based on physical attributes, that he believes he can mould into his systems, or that fit his systems, I wouldn't be at all surprised if Bates comes into that category. Beane seems to like to let players sniff out the market, and that might well be the thinking with Bates, I just believe it was unnecessary, for the sake of an extra $1.5 million., to not get the additional insurance, or discouragement to other teams, of signing him to an offer sheet, if a 2nd round pick is involved. Still, as others have pointed out, it's early days in the process, and we are yet to hear of any other team making an offer. Time will tell, hopefully not to our detriment. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted March 19, 2022 Share Posted March 19, 2022 Are we supposed to stop watching the other Ryan Bates thread? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted March 19, 2022 Share Posted March 19, 2022 8 hours ago, vtnatefootball11 said: Right but remember we were tinkering with the OL combos all season (and last season too). Bates looked really solid at LG in between Dawkins and Morse the last few games, but with Saffold coming in he would have likely moved to RG anyway, which presents some unknowns. In previous years Bates has looked like a solid backup material at best. You can get away with one below average starter on the OL, and who knows we may be able to find a cheaper vet replacement at RG or a rookie to compete with ford (or both). That's why I'm not too concerned. Not saying OL isn't important, I just don't think Bates was that valuable to begin with. I'd rather spend the money on a vet #2 corner. Whether he played left or right guard Bates has played both when needed. He was active every game with other players costing more or higher draft picks made inactive even when healthy. Bates seems to enjoy playing here and Bills and his agent may have decide to play chicken with other teams but the chicken is cooked at home. 8 hours ago, napmaster said: Bates played very well during his opportunity, but he also couldn't crack the starting lineup through camp and the majority of the season until injuries forced him into action. The offer by the Bills seems about right, and if the Patriots want to overpay, so be it. There was also speculation of bringing Williams back at guard money after he tests the market. If so, would Bates even make the starting lineup? Bates was used as a hot spare. Bills stated that when changes were necessary they would rather substitute one player than substitute one player and move others. That shows value in versatility which Coach McD values. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted March 19, 2022 Share Posted March 19, 2022 For the ppl downplaying bates value they have been wrong before and bates is good Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted March 19, 2022 Share Posted March 19, 2022 43 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said: Are we supposed to stop watching the other Ryan Bates thread? You can watch it right here 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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JaCrispy Posted March 19, 2022 Share Posted March 19, 2022 This is so stupid that we have to go through this...of course, I wouldn’t mind if we had a 2nd round pick coming back...And I’m sure other teams would think twice about going after him... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dopey Posted March 19, 2022 Share Posted March 19, 2022 2 hours ago, frostbitmic said: If we lose him to another team at least we still have Ford. Avoiding the rocks being thrown at me. Good one. 😂 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Wiz Posted March 19, 2022 Share Posted March 19, 2022 3 hours ago, frostbitmic said: If we lose him to another team at least we still have Ford. Avoiding the rocks being thrown at me. Ford said he'll block them for you. Hope you have good health insurance. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted March 19, 2022 Share Posted March 19, 2022 1 hour ago, JaCrispy said: This is so stupid that we have to go through this...of course, I wouldn’t mind if we had a 2nd round pick coming back...And I’m sure other teams would think twice about going after him... I think Beane plans to sign Bates AND a backup QB for what a 2nd round tender woulda cost us 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uninja Posted March 19, 2022 Share Posted March 19, 2022 I just can't believe there's an 11 page watch thread about a backup guard possibly getting poached off of the team that just signed Roger Saffold, OJ Howard and Von Miller. Bills fans are the best 😂 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manther Posted March 19, 2022 Share Posted March 19, 2022 2 minutes ago, uninja said: I just can't believe there's an 11 page watch thread about a backup guard possibly getting poached off of the team that just signed Roger Saffold, OJ Howard and Von Miller. Bills fans are the best 😂 Bates is one of our top 6 Olinemen and can play all positions on the line. And was starting in the playoffs. He is more than a back up. The signings you mention are exciting, but, signing those players AND keeping Bates would be better. We may still keep Bates. Beane has a plan. $1.5 million more and we would get a 2nd round pick if we lost him. Maybe Beane has a long term contract ready to offer? Maybe Kromer doesn't love Bates. Who knows. I personally would prefer Bates on the team, but, trust the process. The tender Beane placed on Bates may have been a gamble Beane didn't need to take and maybe got too cute. We will see. I hope Bates is back. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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