MAJBobby Posted March 18, 2022 Share Posted March 18, 2022 Just now, Warcodered said: it saves cap next year though I think? It does but with cap going up a lot next year the extra dead of a couple million isn’t going to hurt there. Their cap issues are this year. Now there are still contracts to restructure and extensions that can create space for Corners or other spots this year. it just doesn’t make sense to cut star now without the post June one designation UNLESS that 1.5M is needed now to process the agreed to contracts. That’s all just curious to me. But end of the day what needed to happen, happened that contract and lack of impact or availability player is gone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RussellDopeland Posted March 18, 2022 Share Posted March 18, 2022 Just saw Star at the airport...tough to see him go! 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kmart128 Posted March 18, 2022 Share Posted March 18, 2022 He came back to the team in great shape. Started out out. And then got Covid and never was the same again Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Utah John Posted March 18, 2022 Share Posted March 18, 2022 1 hour ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: I'll try. A player's cap hit consists of yearly cash (salary and per-year bonuses like roster and workout). The player also gets a signing bonus fully paid to him when he signs his contract, but amortized over the years of the contract. For example, a $10.4M signing bonus on a 4 year contract would be transferred to Star's bank account immediately when he signs. but for salary cap bookkeeping, it can be divided into 4 chunks to count against the salary cap at $2.6M/year. The player can also have all or part of his yearly cash (salary and roster and option bonuses) guaranteed. In Star's case, he had $2.5M of his 2022 salary guaranteed. When the player is cut, the guaranteed part of his yearly cash counts against the cap ($2.5M for Star), as does the chunk of his signing bonus that counts against this year's cap ($2.6M for Star). The team gets credit for any non-guaranteed salary or bonuses. So that's $5.1M guaranteed for this year against Star's yearly cap hit of $9.2M, resulting in $4.1M cap savings. BUT WAIT! Now we get to the decision point: when a player is cut, any guaranteed money or amortized signing bonus from future years ALSO get charged against the cap savings. So in Star's case, he has another chunk of $2.6M signing bonus on the books for next season. That counts against the savings - so $4.1M - $2.6M means we only save $1.5M this season UNLESS - the NFL allows the team to designate two players cut during FA as "post-June 1 cuts". What that does, is allow the team to defer next year's guaranteed money or remaining chunks of amortized signing bonus to count against NEXT year's cap. It's "good for the player" because it encourages teams to release players early when they have a better chance to be signed by other teams; it's "good for the team" because they can spread out the cap hit from cutting a player over two seasons. The drawback is, the team does not realize the cap savings until after June 1. So with Star: Cut pre-June 1, $9.2M cap - $2.5M guaranteed salary - $2.6Mx2 amortized signing bonus for this year and next = $1.5M cap savings applicable NOW Cut post-June 1, $9.2M cap - $2.5M guaranteed salary - $2.6M amortized signing bonus for this year and next = $4.1M cap savings applicable June 1 AND $2.6M amortized signing bonus charged against the 2023 cap. Nicely done. 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milanos Milano Posted March 18, 2022 Share Posted March 18, 2022 2 hours ago, Philo said: *Epenesa quickly hides* He’s already been hiding, or at least it seems that way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Utah John Posted March 18, 2022 Share Posted March 18, 2022 (edited) The message to the Bills players and the rest of the NFL is that in Buffalo, you produce or you're gone. That tough love approach would be deadly if the Bills had a bad team, but it's great when the Bills are strong. Players who want to be on the best team know they have to deserve it. Maybe this is why McKissic backed out. Didn't want to risk being found out as not all that, so he settled for a safe spot on a bad team. Edited March 18, 2022 by Utah John Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
newcam2012 Posted March 18, 2022 Share Posted March 18, 2022 1 hour ago, John from Riverside said: and.......... Was all it took for coach McD to lose the game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malazan Posted March 18, 2022 Share Posted March 18, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, AuntieEm said: No whipping needed when you bring home a lombardi. You haven't met some of our forum dwellers.. or a game thread where we're not up by 50 See the post right above this.. Edited March 18, 2022 by Malazan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerry Jabber Posted March 18, 2022 Share Posted March 18, 2022 By doing this now and not designating Star as a Post-June 1st cut, do the Bills need the money now to make another signing? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted March 18, 2022 Share Posted March 18, 2022 7 minutes ago, Utah John said: The message to the Bills players and the rest of the NFL is that in Buffalo, you produce or you're gone. That tough love approach would be deadly if the Bills had a bad team, but it's great when the Bills are strong. Players who want to be on the best team know they have to deserve it. Maybe this is why McKissic backed out. Didn't want to risk being found out as not all that, so he settled for a safe spot on a bad team. He stole reps from Antonio Gibson on 3rd down, the best receiving back in his class...pretty sure that wasn't it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted March 18, 2022 Share Posted March 18, 2022 5 minutes ago, newcam2012 said: Was all it took for coach McD to lose the game. interesting The chiefs coach (considered to be one of the best in the league) has lost PLENTY of games on his decisions Take a look at McDermott's win loss record Take a look at how many playoffs since he has become head coach Then come back and apologize for your stupidity Just now, Big Turk said: He stole reps from Antonio Gibson on 3rd down, the best receiving back in his class...pretty sure that wasn't it. He is good He just wants to play on a bad team over a good one for the same money...which is odd Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted March 18, 2022 Share Posted March 18, 2022 1 minute ago, John from Riverside said: interesting The chiefs coach (considered to be one of the best in the league) has lost PLENTY of games on his decisions Take a look at McDermott's win loss record Take a look at how many playoffs since he has become head coach Then come back and apologize for your stupidity He is good He just wants to play on a bad team over a good one for the same money...which is odd Well, part of it was Washington never offered him a contract before FA started, and he didn't want to leave to begin with. When they circled back and gave him the same offer he wanted to stay. He likes it there and is already comfortable in the offense, etc... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted March 18, 2022 Share Posted March 18, 2022 1 minute ago, Big Turk said: Well, part of it was Washington never offered him a contract before FA started, and he didn't want to leave to begin with. When they circled back and gave him the same offer he wanted to stay. He likes it there and is already comfortable in the offense, etc... If he doesnt care about a ring that is fine (do we really want a player that is not chasing a ring) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Giuseppe Tognarelli Posted March 18, 2022 Share Posted March 18, 2022 Maybe now I can stop hearing Joe Marino say Low-Two-Lay-Lay Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted March 18, 2022 Share Posted March 18, 2022 34 minutes ago, MAJBobby said: It does but with cap going up a lot next year the extra dead of a couple million isn’t going to hurt there. Their cap issues are this year. Now there are still contracts to restructure and extensions that can create space for Corners or other spots this year. it just doesn’t make sense to cut star now without the post June one designation UNLESS that 1.5M is needed now to process the agreed to contracts. That’s all just curious to me. But end of the day what needed to happen, happened that contract and lack of impact or availability player is gone. So the last thing I am is a cap expert but that is how they make this all work? cap savings next year cap going up next year making the cap hit on things minimal THIS year Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed_Formerly_of_Roch Posted March 18, 2022 Share Posted March 18, 2022 2 minutes ago, John from Riverside said: If he doesnt care about a ring that is fine (do we really want a player that is not chasing a ring) Is he married, does he have kids? Uprooting a family is a big thing too. Unlike fans, to the players it's still a business. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted March 18, 2022 Share Posted March 18, 2022 5 minutes ago, John from Riverside said: So the last thing I am is a cap expert but that is how they make this all work? cap savings next year cap going up next year making the cap hit on things minimal THIS year Yep which is why Star not being processed as a Post June 1 cut is confusing to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted March 18, 2022 Share Posted March 18, 2022 1 minute ago, MAJBobby said: Yep which is why Star not being processed as a Post June 1 cut is confusing to me. Maybe it was just as simple as respect and letting him sign with another team (or do post June 1st cuts work differently) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Doug Posted March 18, 2022 Share Posted March 18, 2022 1 hour ago, JohnNord said: Ok then who was Beane’s worst free signing? Vontae Davis 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted March 18, 2022 Share Posted March 18, 2022 This thread really shouldn’t be 11 pages after 2 hours while Tim Settles is 13 pages after 4 days. move on. Bad contract. Meh player. Shouldn’t be missed from a fans perspective. Seems like Jordan Phillips loves the guy so maybe he’s a good locker room guy despite of how we may feel about him. good luck with the rest of your life Star. 👊🏻 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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