GunnerBill Posted March 7, 2022 Share Posted March 7, 2022 (edited) 7 hours ago, BADOLBILZ said: IMO, they now have to change their "we need to be 2 deep with vets" at every position mentality with regards to contracts and instead focus available assets on protecting Josh Allen and making him look good............and get better at developing some of the positions they've been overpaying for depth at. If Denver were to come to Beane tomorrow and offer their two second rounders(40 and 64) and a 4th in exchange for #25 overall............so they had an extra 1st to deal to GB...........then I would say they should probably take it. They need talent on rookie contracts. I completely agree. They are at the point where Brandon is going to have to be willing to sacrifice depth for star power. Having AJ Klein and Jon Feliciano and Cord Ford and even Tyler Matakevich (who is genuinely a really good STer) coming in at $16m on your cap when none of them start on offense or defense is a luxury that having paid a Quarterback you have to learn to live without. Or else you end up with lots of guys but not many guys. Edited March 7, 2022 by GunnerBill 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niagara Bill Posted March 7, 2022 Share Posted March 7, 2022 23 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: I completely agree. They are at the point where Brandon is going to have to be willing to sacrifice depth for star power. Having AJ Klein and Jon Feliciano and Cord Ford and even Tyler Matakevich (who is genuinely a really good STer) coming in at $16m on your cap when none of them start on offense or defense is a luxury that having paid a Quarterback you have to learn to live without. Or else you end up with lots of guys but not many guys. Tyler is a starter...special teams are important. May I remind you...Music City Debacle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted March 7, 2022 Share Posted March 7, 2022 1 minute ago, Niagara Bill said: Tyler is a starter...special teams are important. May I remind you...Music City Debacle. Hey you don't need to preach to me that STs are important, I am the captain of that ship. But $3.25m cap hit for a STer who is neither a returner or a gunner is exactly the sort of luxury depth you have when you have a QB on a rookie deal. If Matakevich was due to account for $2m on the cap this year it is a no brainer you keep him, but that is a big number for a non-gunner, non-returner on a team paying their franchise QB. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCofNC Posted March 7, 2022 Share Posted March 7, 2022 Like the guy, but him being here has zero impact on the Bills winning a SB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gordong Posted March 7, 2022 Share Posted March 7, 2022 whatever.... he played okay the last 6 games it not like it a huge loss. if it over money let someone else pay him big money. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted March 7, 2022 Share Posted March 7, 2022 26 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: Hey you don't need to preach to me that STs are important, I am the captain of that ship. But $3.25m cap hit for a STer who is neither a returner or a gunner is exactly the sort of luxury depth you have when you have a QB on a rookie deal. If Matakevich was due to account for $2m on the cap this year it is a no brainer you keep him, but that is a big number for a non-gunner, non-returner on a team paying their franchise QB. Who needs STs anyway? Just have Bass and Araiza boot TBs everytime... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billzgobowlin Posted March 7, 2022 Share Posted March 7, 2022 It's a 50/50 shot that you are right. I don't get the feeling he would turn away from a super bowl contending football team unless the Bills don't want him back which I don't see either. I do find it interesting the Bills haven't restructured any contracts yet. Maybe there aren't many inevitable contracts to outgoing free agents Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rigotz Posted March 7, 2022 Share Posted March 7, 2022 On 3/5/2022 at 11:29 PM, wiseman3 said: Lol yeah like I said I don't expect anyone to believe me. But sounds like he'll be accepting another offer He's not even allowed to have other offers yet. Why would he say he's taking another one when he doesn't know the market? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackFergy Posted March 7, 2022 Share Posted March 7, 2022 4 minutes ago, Rigotz said: He's not even allowed to have other offers yet. Why would he say he's taking another one when he doesn't know the market? We are in the “Pre-Double Secret-Tampering” period. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KOKBILLS Posted March 7, 2022 Share Posted March 7, 2022 9 hours ago, BADOLBILZ said: IMO, they now have to change their "we need to be 2 deep with vets" at every position mentality with regards to contracts and instead focus available assets on protecting Josh Allen and making him look good............and get better at developing some of the positions they've been overpaying for depth at. If Denver were to come to Beane tomorrow and offer their two second rounders(40 and 64) and a 4th in exchange for #25 overall............so they had an extra 1st to deal to GB...........then I would say they should probably take it. They need talent on rookie contracts. Yep...They won't do that of course...But I agree... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FilthyBeast Posted March 7, 2022 Share Posted March 7, 2022 If true I have zero issues with this for a number of reasons. He's a great guy in terms of his off the field contributions and he defied the odds this year being a bubble guy that was inactive most the first half of the season to emerging as a key piece for this defense down the stretch. But at the end of the day he's not worth the money that he probably can get on the open market which is why this is likely a valid rumor and still think we need a more dominant presence at DT next to Oliver. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RochesterLifer Posted March 7, 2022 Share Posted March 7, 2022 4 minutes ago, FilthyBeast said: If true I have zero issues with this for a number of reasons. He's a great guy in terms of his off the field contributions and he defied the odds this year being a bubble guy that was inactive most the first half of the season to emerging as a key piece for this defense down the stretch. But at the end of the day he's not worth the money that he probably can get on the open market which is why this is likely a valid rumor and still think we need a more dominant presence at DT next to Oliver. You're still planning on losing your house when McDermott doesn't get fired next year, right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan89 Posted March 7, 2022 Share Posted March 7, 2022 If they can bring him back on a 4-5 million dollar deal I think that works good for both side. June 1st cut Star to make the space. I would rather have H.Phillips an in his prime player who is coming off a fairly good season than Star who is a veteran who while decent is massively overpaid. Just my two cents. Also rumors are just rumors from McDouchebag2k22 not really worth much. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wiseman3 Posted March 7, 2022 Author Share Posted March 7, 2022 On 3/6/2022 at 9:49 AM, Kwai San said: 21 whopping posts and you say THAT??? Methinks there is more to you than what you are letting on to. Anyone else notice that after the initial LAMP and one follow up post by @wiseman3 he disappeared and now we have @BILLieve85 with 21 posts backing up this nonsense??? Mods??? Lol, I can assure you I am not trolling or just doing this to get a reaction. You'll all owe me some wings when this happens! I don't know why people don't think this is believable...Alcohol is a hell of a drug when it comes to spilling secrets. And you'd have to be crazy to think that just because its not in the tampering window yet, that people aren't unofficially contacting each other. If I'm wrong, make fun of me all you want. I can handle it! 😂 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tuco Posted March 7, 2022 Share Posted March 7, 2022 23 minutes ago, billsfan89 said: If they can bring him back on a 4-5 million dollar deal I think that works good for both side. June 1st cut Star to make the space. I would rather have H.Phillips an in his prime player who is coming off a fairly good season than Star who is a veteran who while decent is massively overpaid. Just my two cents. Also rumors are just rumors from McDouchebag2k22 not really worth much. But June firsting Star doesn't give us the savings until June 1st. We would need to do something earlier. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dean Posted March 7, 2022 Share Posted March 7, 2022 27 minutes ago, wiseman3 said: Lol, I can assure you I am not trolling or just doing this to get a reaction. You'll all owe me some wings when this happens! I don't know why people don't think this is believable...Alcohol is a hell of a drug when it comes to spilling secrets. And you'd have to be crazy to think that just because its not in the tampering window yet, that people aren't unofficially contacting each other. If I'm wrong, make fun of me all you want. I can handle it! 😂 Bulls#it. This might very well happen despite you completely making up a story. I know this has turned into a discussion about Harry staying/ leaving. But the real issue here is your completely unbelievable post, IMO Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBrownBear Posted March 7, 2022 Share Posted March 7, 2022 30 minutes ago, wiseman3 said: Lol, I can assure you I am not trolling or just doing this to get a reaction. You'll all owe me some wings when this happens! I don't know why people don't think this is believable...Alcohol is a hell of a drug when it comes to spilling secrets. And you'd have to be crazy to think that just because its not in the tampering window yet, that people aren't unofficially contacting each other. If I'm wrong, make fun of me all you want. I can handle it! 😂 I believe you, dude. Who decides to troll a message board by dishing secrets on Harry Phillips? That's not a real "move the needle" player if you want to get a rise out of the fanbase. Anyhow, hope it doesn't come to fruition, since he was becoming more of an impact player. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blainorama5 Posted March 7, 2022 Share Posted March 7, 2022 On 3/5/2022 at 10:51 PM, SlimShady'sSpaceForce said: a rumor and $2.50 will get you a cheap cup of coffee SMALL cup o joe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan89 Posted March 7, 2022 Share Posted March 7, 2022 1 hour ago, Tuco said: But June firsting Star doesn't give us the savings until June 1st. We would need to do something earlier. I thought you could designate someone a June 1st cut earlier in the off-season? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tuco Posted March 7, 2022 Share Posted March 7, 2022 12 minutes ago, billsfan89 said: I thought you could designate someone a June 1st cut earlier in the off-season? You can. Doing so allows the team to cut the player early on to avoid paying roster bonuses, etc. but still give the team the benefit of being able to spread to prorated signing bonus (dead cap) into the next year as though the cut was made after June 1st. The catch is, that prorated roster bonus still counts against the cap until June 1st when it is then divided between this year and next. So basically its- 1- cut the player early, like in March, and save on his roster bonuses, etc. and also - 2- Designate him a June 1st cut and push some of the dead cap into the next year, just as would normally be done if the player was cut after June 1st, but- 3- You still have to carry all of the dead cap until June 1st actually rolls around. The June 1st designation has its place, but it's useless as a form of creating cap space at the start of the league year. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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