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Danielle Hunter, DE, the perfect trade candidate


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I really like Hunter but I can't see trading a first round pick or multiple other picks AND having to extend his contract when he's missed 26 of the last 33 games.

 

The neck issue that caused him to miss 2020 was particularly concerning...........there was a lot of talk about him never playing again during that.

 

Seems like another one of those situations where teams might not be able to justify giving up the requisite draft capital to make it of equal value for Minnesota to give him up........especially when there is a pretty shiny class of early round pass rushers out there this year.

 

Definitely A LOT more warts on Hunter than there was Diggs.

 

Also worth noting that he's played LDE almost exclusively in his career.........which is where Groot is positioned.    Hunter may still be able to handle LT's.........but they are generally better pass blockers.   Would really like to see a proven RDE pass rusher if I am trading top picks and giving out a new big money deal.

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17 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said:

And before you anoint their pass rush,  remember the Bengals gave up 31 in regulation to the Chiefs at home in Cinci a few weeks earlier.

 

Okay... that's still 5 less points and would have been the difference in our game.

 

I'm not betting on the Chiefs to play a bad game. Quite the opposite, I want our defense to be able to force them into one. Or at least force a punt more than once or twice. It's hard for our offense to perform much better than it did in that game and it still lost.

 

I don't think trying to make out shootout win percentage 1% higher is a good strategy. Those games are always 50/50. The Chiefs had the ball last so they won. No amount of offensive skill players tilts the clock in our favor.

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10 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

 

Okay... that's still 5 less points and would have been the difference in our game.

 

I'm not betting on the Chiefs to play a bad game. Quite the opposite, I want our defense to be able to force them into one. Or at least force a punt more than once or twice. It's hard for our offense to perform much better than it did in that game and it still lost.

 

I don't think trying to make out shootout win percentage 1% higher is a good strategy. Those games are always 50/50. The Chiefs had the ball last so they won. No amount of offensive skill players tilts the clock in our favor.

 

 

If you are being that simplistic.........both the Bills and Bengals gave up 55 points to the Chiefs in regulation in their two games...........and the Bills had to play both games in Arrowhead.

 

The Bills had the best defense in the NFL this year..........I will give the Bengals credit for broadly adjusting their game plan to the opponent in the second half of the AFCCG while the Bills traditionally refuse to do that under McDermott.......but that game should have been over by then......the Bengals D gave up 24 in the first half and only a total mental lapse by Mahomes in the closing seconds kept it from being 27 or 31.    That play threw Mahomes into a nose dive of bad decisions and inaccuracy like we've never seen from him.  The Bengals didn't play a good game in general........the Chiefs played down to them in the second half.

 

The Bills could use more pass rush for sure but what hurts them is not being able to adjust their plan against KC.     Pittsburgh had the same issue when playing NE for years..........they were a great D against most anyone else but they weren't multiple enough in their back end to slow down NE when it mattered.     KC is also good at adjusting to their opponent........see the game plan they threw together against Buffalo in the 2020 AFCCG.    The players in the Bills back 7 have on average 4 years plus of experience together..........that familiarity is totally wasted by not mixing things up. 

 

That's what I want to see from the defense.     Defense is notoriously hard to keep at a high level for more than a couple straight seasons...........but being able to adapt your game plan to the opponent should always be attainable.

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4 hours ago, FireChans said:

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AJ Epenesa has been super available, very easy to stay healthy in street clothes.

 

That made no sense.

1 hour ago, Solomon Grundy said:

Not sure, but he missed a helluva lot in Buffalo for my liking 

The point being that Star didn't mess hardly any games, out of 80 possible regular season games, he started 77 of them for Carolina.

 

When Beane signed him, he was a dependable player.

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5 hours ago, ScottLaw said:

Too much fear of “cap hell” on this board. 

Agree.  I just want them to win a Superbowl.  Fan of 35 years and just want to experience at least one. 🤙🏼

3 hours ago, HappyDays said:

 

You can't evaluate any strategy used by teams without a franchise QB. If Washington had a franchise QB they would be one of the best teams in the league.

 

And how can you say defense wasn't a problem in a game where our opponent scored 42 points?

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17 hours ago, Jerboski said:

Easily 


What’s the alternative?  2022 is the last in Allen’s rookie contract window.  The Bills have no one at DE.  They aren’t going to be able to draft a DE that comes in and dominated.  They need to make a big move to upgrade DE.  Their attempts in the past have not worked 

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What’s the alternative?  2022 is the last in Allen’s rookie contract window.  The Bills have no one at DE.  They aren’t going to be able to draft a DE that comes in and dominated.  They need to make a big move to upgrade DE.  Their attempts in the past have not worked 

I agree completely 

 

I trade our first for him every day of the week 

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4 hours ago, FireChans said:

Because you said this:

The Rams have gone to the Super Bowl twice in the last 4 years. Win or lose, their system gave them a shot to win the big one.

 

We have not gotten to a single Super Bowl in 30 years. Our system has not.

 

My favorite trope on TBD is acting like all these other team's strategies don't work because they didn't necessarily win a Super Bowl, unlike our strategy which.... also hasn't produced a Super Bowl. 

 

Extremely funny.

Again, I don’t think anyone in here makes fun of other teams strategies. I’m not making fun of the Rams. If they win tonight I will applaud them. If they don’t win the SB tonight the window will probably be closed on their chances. 

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2 hours ago, JohnNord said:


What’s the alternative?  2022 is the last in Allen’s rookie contract window.  The Bills have no one at DE.  They aren’t going to be able to draft a DE that comes in and dominated.  They need to make a big move to upgrade DE.  Their attempts in the past have not worked 

I agree with you but trading a 1st for a player that’s hardly played the last two years with major injuries isn’t the best way to go about it.  

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17 hours ago, Utah John said:

The Rams chose to go all-in for this year.  Going forward they'll struggle to keep their team together.

 

Beane has been conscientiously working to build an enduring top-notch team, one that will be strong year after year, by NOT chasing high-cost performers that distort the payscale of the players under the salary cap.  

 

Are good players better than picks?  Well, good players on their rookie contracts are a hell of a lot cheaper than veterans, and that matters if the goal is to have a strong, complete team.  

 

If the Rams win the SB, they'll look smart for having made the choices they did.  But they almost didn't make it, which would make them look foolish for making the same choices.  And whether the Rams win the 2021 SB, it's a really likely outcome that the 2024 Bills will be better than the 2024 Rams.

Imagine wanting to be a 10 win team in 2024 over a Super Bowl champion in 2022. COULDNT BE ME

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8 minutes ago, FireChans said:

Imagine wanting to be a 10 win team in 2024 over a Super Bowl champion in 2022. COULDNT BE ME

I don’t get it neither man I guess because I’m 45 and been a bills fan for 30. I just want to win one super bowl, every season is different anyway players come and go and injuries happen. 

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After watching that Super Bowl it is painfully obvious that the Bills D line needs immediate help. The Bengals and Rams both had much better D lines than the Bills. An established edge rusher and someone to absorb space and anchor and push next to Oliver would really really help. I'd like to see them free up cap space to make that happen.

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2 hours ago, inaugural balls said:


I don’t get your point. 
 

All I’m saying is Beane is gonna pay a butt load for a DE that has a significant injury history.

 

 


The Bills have needed help at on the defensive line since 2018.  The fact that the Bills are in a position where they still need to find help at DE is damming to Beane, McDermott and the coaching staff. Some bad choices.  Here’s how Beane has addressed the needs:

 

2018: 
Star Lotulelei (FA)

Jordan Phillips (waivers)

 

2019:

Ed Oliver (draft - 1)

Trent Murphy (FA)

 

2020:

AJ Epinesa (draft - 2)

Mario Addison (FA)

Justin Jefferson (FA)

Vernon Butler (FA)

 

2021

Greg Rosseau (draft -1)

Boogie Basham (draft -2)

Efe Obada (FA)

 

Nearly every move that Beane made to address the line has not panned out well besides Oliver who had his best season in 2021.  
 

The Bills knew that Hughes and Addison probably would not play in Buffalo in 2022 so they drafted Rosseau and Basham - neither which appear to be anything more than serviceable.  Then there’s a JAG like AJ Epinesa who gives you nothing as a pass rusher.  These draft choices were pretty underwhelming  and still, they need help at DE.  That’s why I’m saying it’s better to trade the pick for Hunter a proven commodity than it is to allow the scouting staff to whiff on another DE.  
 

 

50 minutes ago, BubbaT said:

After watching that Super Bowl it is painfully obvious that the Bills D line needs immediate help. The Bengals and Rams both had much better D lines than the Bills. An established edge rusher and someone to absorb space and anchor and push next to Oliver would really really help. I'd like to see them free up cap space to make that happen.


To make matters worse the Bills have constantly tried to address DE and have failed miserably.  They thought Star would be the “space eating anchor” - some fans here still think he is - but he just hasn’t been good.  
 

The Bills have needed a DE and 1TDT since 2018

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15 hours ago, JohnNord said:


The Bills have needed help at on the defensive line since 2018.  The fact that the Bills are in a position where they still need to find help at DE is damming to Beane, McDermott and the coaching staff. Some bad choices.  Here’s how Beane has addressed the needs:

 

2018: 
Star Lotulelei (FA)

Jordan Phillips (waivers)

 

2019:

Ed Oliver (draft - 1)

Trent Murphy (FA)

 

2020:

AJ Epinesa (draft - 2)

Mario Addison (FA)

Justin Jefferson (FA)

Vernon Butler (FA)

 

2021

Greg Rosseau (draft -1)

Boogie Basham (draft -2)

Efe Obada (FA)

 

Nearly every move that Beane made to address the line has not panned out well besides Oliver who had his best season in 2021.  
 

The Bills knew that Hughes and Addison probably would not play in Buffalo in 2022 so they drafted Rosseau and Basham - neither which appear to be anything more than serviceable.  Then there’s a JAG like AJ Epinesa who gives you nothing as a pass rusher.  These draft choices were pretty underwhelming  and still, they need help at DE.  That’s why I’m saying it’s better to trade the pick for Hunter a proven commodity than it is to allow the scouting staff to whiff on another DE.  
 

 


To make matters worse the Bills have constantly tried to address DE and have failed miserably.  They thought Star would be the “space eating anchor” - some fans here still think he is - but he just hasn’t been good.  
 

The Bills have needed a DE and 1TDT since 2018

 

I get it. Holes need to be filled. 

 

I doubt very much he’d pay the price necessary to obtain this player with this history. 

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Not saying it’s gonna be the Bills, but I wouldn’t be surprised if Vikings trade Hunter in next few weeks.  He’s got an $18m roster bonus due march 20.  New coaching staff in Minnesota and they have zero cap room.  I trade a 3rd rounder this year and next year for him.  

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