Tanoros Posted February 2, 2022 Share Posted February 2, 2022 1 hour ago, dma0034 said: So the league manipulates outcomes for what end? If you think that an owner like Jerry Jones is okay with his team losing for 2 decades because it's part of a greater plan then you are crazy. It’s the Cowboys and Jerry Jones that give me pause towards widespread gambling abuse in the NFL, because he seems to be (from my perspective) someone who either would pay to win, or raise holy hell (in a non public way of ofcourse) if he caught wind of it happening against his teams interests. Although, it doesn’t mean there isn’t some from abuse as Flores has pointed out. It just seems that it would be a few here and there abusing things (like the Pats and spy gate). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1stgm1993 Posted February 2, 2022 Share Posted February 2, 2022 58 minutes ago, Ridgewaycynic2013 said: Yeah, well midnight merchandiser at Home Despot is getting a bit trying. 🤨 * And as for the overall thrust of the thread: yea we need him gone so the Bills can win the big one 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reddogblitz Posted February 2, 2022 Share Posted February 2, 2022 (edited) Here's how the view on gambling by the NFL has changed in the last 15 years: In 2005 I played in the Seattle Seahawks Blue Thunder Drumline. On the Seahawks web site they had a page called Picks with Duck & Anna. Duck was an equipment guy and Anna was a chearleader. They would pick the winners for the next weeks games. I would see them at practice and the stadium sometimes would talk to the. Around week 10 I noticed the page was gone. They told me that had to stop cuz it could be construed as gambling advice so they pulled it. I under$tand why the NFL billionaires are doing it but it cheapens the product and introduces a lot of questions by fans and others. We all grew up hearing about the Black Sox scandal and gambling's influence on it. @Buffalo Boy mentioned his teacher's friend comment about it had to look right. I would also toss in that in the law field they talk about avoiding the perception of corruption. Partnering with gambling certainly raises the perception of being in bed with and influenced by gambling. I hope its worth it. Edited February 2, 2022 by reddogblitz 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Boy Posted February 2, 2022 Author Share Posted February 2, 2022 1 hour ago, Mr. WEO said: that's already the subject of a very long thread right here on page one. You mean the fifty plus page mess that has six or seven sub threads within it? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikie2times Posted February 2, 2022 Share Posted February 2, 2022 Give me an example of something I can't manipulate if I have enough money? The only thing that would ever stop such a thing would be individual morality. It wouldn't be motive or ability. That goes for just about everything. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dpberr Posted February 2, 2022 Share Posted February 2, 2022 My personal NFL conspiracy is that the owners get together and each has the option of buying into an auction where the playoffs are auctioned off to the highest bidders, but you can't bid cash. It has to be art, yachts, cars, property, gold, airplanes, stock, whatever. If you win the Super Bowl, you get your property back. If you pay for a playoff spot and don't win the Super Bowl, your property goes to "the" fund. The fund is a hedge fund that makes money for "contingencies" such as a government anti-trust crusade, lawsuit on the level of big Tobacco or some cataclysmic event that threatens their personal fortunes. I envision it goes down exactly like the James Bond Casino Royale film. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Utah John Posted February 2, 2022 Share Posted February 2, 2022 3 hours ago, Buffalo Boy said: I’m surprised this thread hasn’t been started. We all have heard the allegations that Miami’s owner Ross was offering Flores $100k a loss to tank. The NFL should not be in bed with Casinos or online betting sites such as Fan duel. It immediately causes a bad look due to the appearance of conflicting interests. I didn’t research the numbers but it must be in the hundreds of millions in advertising revenue. Then there is the fact that a group of 32 billionaires refuse to employ professional referees. If you own 1 billion you are filthy rich. And yet, the league has refused to hire these guys on full time. It isn’t a money issue. That makes zero sense. If Ross was willing to proposition his coach to lose ( I get that the proof isn’t there but tell me it doesn’t sound plausible) why wouldn’t he or other powers that be not be willing to slip a few shekels to a dirty ref or three? I’m not say it happened. But, there is a saying a teacher of mine had: “ It doesn’t just have to be right, it has to look right.” There have been multiple threads on here over the years talking about the fix being in. Many on here poopoo it because it seems insane. Which brings me to my final point: What would it look like if you were going to throw a game from a coaching perspective? Run a bunch of low percentage plays and punt while shackling your best player(s)? Make absolutely befuddling and egregious decisions that are completely indefensible? I haven’t personally believed that the fix was in in a conspiracy level way in the past. I’m not saying I do now. But, for the first time the dots are starting to connect themselves and picture coming together isn’t a pretty or even palatable one. Flame away Ladies and Gentlemen The reason they don't have full time refs is that the refs all have careers and they don't want to give up those careers to go sit in a room every day going over the rule book. Refs move up through the ranks, and only a few get to be NFL refs. All the time they're moving up, they're also moving up in their day jobs. By the time they get to the NFL, they're also pretty high up in the food chain wherever they work. If they quit those other jobs to become full-time refs, they wouldn't be able to go back after their NFL days were over. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted February 2, 2022 Share Posted February 2, 2022 1 hour ago, Buffalo Boy said: You mean the fifty plus page mess that has six or seven sub threads within it? yes, so your were already familiar with it. so it really made no sense to start another such----particularly with the words "I’m surprised this thread hasn’t been started"... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Success Posted February 2, 2022 Share Posted February 2, 2022 That $100K thing needs a real vetting. It would be kind of crazy for an owner to do that & think it would never get out, and also to expect a coach who is ALWAYS trying out for the next job to comply. All allegations have to be treated w/ respect & given the benefit of the doubt, but I'm very interested to see what comes out of this. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted February 2, 2022 Share Posted February 2, 2022 2 hours ago, The Frankish Reich said: NFL refs now average $205,000/year. So long gone are the days of the "moonlighting referee." Sure, many have other jobs. So would you if your main gig required working 17 days a year. It is certainly an antiquated way to oversee games in a multi-billion dollar industry. With the new emphasis on gambling, I really think they will move to change this in the next couple years, even if just for the optics. This is no longer the old AFL where guys were truck drivers or mechanics in the offseason. Professionals sports need professional referees. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Boy Posted February 2, 2022 Author Share Posted February 2, 2022 2 hours ago, stuvian said: The Eagles tanked in Doug Pederson's last year under the guise of showcasing Jalen Hurts. If a team has a choice between having a six win season or a three win season and drafting the next great QB they will take the latter. No one tells billionaires what to do. I don't blame Flores or any other coach for refusing to play along because doing so destroys your integrity as a coach. https://www.si.com/college/indiana/.amp/football/philadelphia-eagles-doug-pederson-nate-sudfeld-explanation Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dorquemada Posted February 2, 2022 Share Posted February 2, 2022 13 minutes ago, Augie said: It is certainly an antiquated way to oversee games in a multi-billion dollar industry. With the new emphasis on gambling, I really think they will move to change this in the next couple years, even if just for the optics. This is no longer the old AFL where guys were truck drivers or mechanics in the offseason. Professionals sports need professional referees. ‘I’ve said it before here. There’s no reason in this day and age to rely on human eyes to referee football or any other sport. Video analytics could solve for this, keep the refs to announce the calls if you want I guess Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ControllerOfPlanetX Posted February 2, 2022 Share Posted February 2, 2022 It just sounds like Ross went to the Terry Pegula/Tim Murray School of Team Building.....albeit with a bit more incentives... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
out Posted February 2, 2022 Share Posted February 2, 2022 2 hours ago, MJS said: If there is any funny business going on, it is by individual teams trying to get advantage over the other teams. Ross wasn't paying his coach to lose because he wanted to fix games. He wanted a higher draft pick so he could start winning in future seasons. It was about winning later, not any kind of betting. Hmmmm I know my team is going to loose. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly's Heroes Posted February 3, 2022 Share Posted February 3, 2022 3 hours ago, The Wiz said: This thought came in my mind also and sadly the first thing I thought of was Fraziers play calling with 13 seconds left. I like that Fraizer is incompetent Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kwai San Posted February 3, 2022 Share Posted February 3, 2022 4 hours ago, The Frankish Reich said: NFL refs now average $205,000/year. So long gone are the days of the "moonlighting referee." Sure, many have other jobs. So would you if your main gig required working 17 days a year. First off the 17 days a year is bunk. Refs are required to show up at the very least a day before sometimes 2 days before. They have meetings and go over tape from previous games so there aren't any surprises. In the off season they work practices/scrimmages and then pre-season games. There is a whole lot more to it than 17 games. Now having said all that it amazes me that there are some of the piss poor refs out there still working. The potential pool to choose from is HUGE. And yet we are stuck with some of the worst refs possible. In their mild defense they are human and they do eff up from time to time. But come one. Jerome Boger? Please sir find the door and let yourself out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thunderingsquid Posted February 3, 2022 Share Posted February 3, 2022 Fixed? HA! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Frankish Reich Posted February 3, 2022 Share Posted February 3, 2022 (edited) 4 hours ago, goober said: There's number 17 again. Love & peace or sin & evil? All of these 17s are making me craaaazyyyyyyyy............... Edited February 3, 2022 by The Frankish Reich Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArtVandalay Posted February 3, 2022 Share Posted February 3, 2022 5 hours ago, Buffalo Boy said: Which brings me to my final point: What would it look like if you were going to throw a game from a coaching perspective? The last 13 seconds of the KC game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Boy Posted February 3, 2022 Author Share Posted February 3, 2022 2 hours ago, Mr. WEO said: yes, so your were already familiar with it. so it really made no sense to start another such----particularly with the words "I’m surprised this thread hasn’t been started"... 21 minutes ago, ArtVandalay said: The last 13 seconds of the KC game. 🛎 🛎 🛎 We have a winner folks!!!! Not that I think that is what happened. But, when you are in bed with gambling it give more credence to those that do think that way. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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