Beane anticipates Cole Beasley being back next season

[Doc]

4 minutes ago, Billl said:

You might not care, but other GMs will have to answer the questions that come with him.  It’s immaterial though because nobody’s trading for him.  I totally agree about the YAC part.  When he caught the pass around midfield on either the final drive or the one before, it looked like it was going to be a huge gain.  He was coming across the middle with space, and Josh hit him in full stride.  Then…nothing.  The DB caught him like he was standing still.  It was a nice gain,  it he left a lot of yards on the field.  
 

I respect his career, but I think he’s just about washed.  If he were making $2,000,000, I could see keeping him around as a 50 targets per year type of role player.  Here’s your replacement:
 

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/H/HumpAd00.htm

 

Same guy only younger and cheaper.  Also, he’s a FA.

 

Disagree on Humpries being a replacement, much less better.  I'd look for better.

[John from Riverside]

8 minutes ago, Billl said:

You might not care, but other GMs will have to answer the questions that come with him.  It’s immaterial though because nobody’s trading for him.  I totally agree about the YAC part.  When he caught the pass around midfield on either the final drive or the one before, it looked like it was going to be a huge gain.  He was coming across the middle with space, and Josh hit him in full stride.  Then…nothing.  The DB caught him like he was standing still.  It was a nice gain,  it he left a lot of yards on the field.  
 

I respect his career, but I think he’s just about washed.  If he were making $2,000,000, I could see keeping him around as a 50 targets per year type of role player.  Here’s your replacement:
 

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/H/HumpAd00.htm

 

Same guy only younger and cheaper.  Also, he’s a FA.

I would like to keep McKenzie and draft a guy.   I am ok with cutting Cole who has served his purpose here but I think he is almost done

[Alphadawg7]

On 1/26/2022 at 10:44 AM, DrDawkinstein said:

Of course he is going to say that right now. Doesnt mean it will happen. Lots of things we "expect", dont happen.

Lots of things “Fans” expect dont happen, and mainly because fans keep coming up with their own ideas outside what Beane says.  But Beane mostly does what he says and has always been a straight shooter.  
 

If Beane expects him to be a Bill, then I would plan on him being a Bill and probably will be unless he gets an intriguing trade offer he thinks makes us better.

[Beast]

I hope he's back. The guy doesn't hurt my feelings. Just catch the ball.

[Billl]

2 minutes ago, Doc said:

 

Disagree on Humpries being a replacement, much less better.  I'd look for better.

He had the exact same yards per target catching passes from Taylor Heineke, and he made $1.5 mm.  I’m not saying he’s good.  I’m saying that if you want a guy who can be a pure possession receiver slash third down specialist Humphrey gives you what Beasley does at 20% of the price, and you don’t have to worry that he’s in the process of falling off the athletic cliff the way Beasley is.

[muppy]

8 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

I don't know if it would work or who would be interested, but the way Beane repeated "he's under contract" combined with him saying "Cole can still play, and he’ll continue to play in this league" vs "he'll continue to play for us" or "we look forward to having him back" made me wonder if Beane might try to package him as part of a trade to fill some of our gaps in other areas?

 

That's just a stray thought though, I don't have any team in mind who would benefit from having a WR like Beasley.  But perhaps if Daboll does get a HC gig and would like Beasley there to help teach his offensive system and work with young WR, that would be a possibility.  Beasley would have value beyond his on-field contributions in that instance.

This is a question for you. Do you think there is any chance that cole will want Out of Buffalo? **shrugs*** this is a stir the pot type question.  My opinion is he would prefer stay BUT ..I dunno for 100% certain. m

 

edit: I thought after I wrote this it will come down to money and the art of the deal. Which Beane excels in imo. I still dunno..... 

Edited January 28, 2022 by muppy

[Hapless Bills Fan]

8 minutes ago, muppy said:

This is a question for you. Do you think there is any chance that cole will want Out of Buffalo? **shrugs*** this is a stir the pot type question.  My opinion is he would prefer stay BUT ..I dunno for 100% certain. m

 

I think there's a chance that Cole will, in fact, want "out of Buffalo", and that could be one explanation of why Beane came across to me as "less than enthusiastic" and "less than committed" with his comments:

 

“Cole, he’s still under contract so we didn’t, I didn’t sit down with Cole at the end and see where he was at or things like that. But I would anticipate Cole being back,” Beane said.

 

and

 

“Cole can still play, and he’ll continue to play in this league,”

 

Neither of those sound like a ringing endorsement such as 'Cole is an important part of our offense, he's still one of the best slot corners in the league, he's still under contract with us and we look forward to his contributions next season'. 

 

"He'll continue to play in this league" is a strange comment (IMO) to make about a guy that you've already emphasized 2x is currently under contract with the Bills.  I think it's possible Beane's had conversations with Beane about Cole wanting to move on

 

But that's just a hunch.

 

If Daboll does get a job, I don't think it's beyond possibility that his new team tries to trade for Beasley to help teach Daboll's offense to the WR room.

[Doc]

4 minutes ago, Billl said:

He had the exact same yards per target catching passes from Taylor Heineke, and he made $1.5 mm.  I’m not saying he’s good.  I’m saying that if you want a guy who can be a pure possession receiver slash third down specialist Humphrey gives you what Beasley does at 20% of the price, and you don’t have to worry that he’s in the process of falling off the athletic cliff the way Beasley is.

 

I wouldn't be averse to signing him for a cheap deal to see what he can do.  I doubt he'll be in high demand after the past 3 seasons he's had.  But I'd still look to add better options.

[muppy]

4 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

I think there's a chance that Cole will, in fact, want "out of Buffalo", and that could be one explanation of why Beane came across to me as "less than enthusiastic" and "less than committed" with his comments:

 

“Cole, he’s still under contract so we didn’t, I didn’t sit down with Cole at the end and see where he was at or things like that. But I would anticipate Cole being back,” Beane said.

 

and

 

“Cole can still play, and he’ll continue to play in this league,”

 

Neither of those sound like a ringing endorsement such as 'Cole is an important part of our offense, he's still one of the best slot corners in the league, he's still under contract with us and we look forward to his contributions next season'. 

 

"He'll continue to play in this league" is a strange comment (IMO) to make about a guy that you've already emphasized 2x is currently under contract with the Bills.  I think it's possible Beane's had conversations with Beane about Cole wanting to move on

playing devils advocate here....and none of we being flys on the wall....but I would not be surprised if 1bd had their fill of all the social media hooplah with his vax status stance. They may just look at it as dollars and cents but maybe the other stuff factor in...to the extent which meh I dunno that either......................

Edited January 28, 2022 by muppy

[Billl]

12 minutes ago, muppy said:

This is a question for you. Do you think there is any chance that cole will want Out of Buffalo? **shrugs*** this is a stir the pot type question.  My opinion is he would prefer stay BUT ..I dunno for 100% certain. m

 

edit: I thought after I wrote this it will come down to money and the art of the deal. Which Beane excels in imo. I still dunno..... 

I think there is zero chance he’d want out of Buffalo.  If he stays, he’s owed $7.6 mm.  If he leaves, he won’t get half that.

[muppy]

5 minutes ago, Billl said:

I think there is zero chance he’d want out of Buffalo.  If he stays, he’s owed $7.6 mm.  If he leaves, he won’t get half that.

taxes.........again Im not quibbling Im trying to think like a dollars and cents person.......that is a hefty sum indeed even after NYS taxes. yep.

[Hapless Bills Fan]

29 minutes ago, muppy said:

playing devils advocate here....and none of we being flys on the wall....but I would not be surprised if 1bd had their fill of all the social media hooplah with his vax status stance. They may just look at it as dollars and cents but maybe the other stuff factor in...to the extent which meh I dunno that either......................

 

This, actually, would surprise me.  I think Beasley may have been asked by the Bills PR folks to step it back from social media if he was going to be disparaging or attacking the fans (his own people may have suggested this, and he may also have decided to do it on his own or with input from his family, I dunno).  But whatever the reason, he did it.

 

I do think there is probably some FO annoyance with Beasley over all the fines, and over getting Covid and missing a game/maybe not being 100% when he came back.

 

There was that one incident where it looked like Beas lost his ***** over a play and got walked over to a bench and set down on it by Hyde

 

26 minutes ago, Billl said:

I think there is zero chance he’d want out of Buffalo.  If he stays, he’s owed $7.6 mm.  If he leaves, he won’t get half that.

 

If he retires or asks to be released, correct.

 

If he's traded, he potentially gets it all.

 

I think if he stays, he likely gets asked to take a haircut for the team so he won't get all of it here, either.

[purple haze]

16 hours ago, TheyCallMeAndy said:

I think this is the most likely. They’ll approach him about a restructuring to free up some cap. Diggs, Davis, Bease is still a very good WR core. 

I like Bease, but we need to get more explosive.  I won’t be shocked if they draft a WR at 25; the type who can take a 7 yard crosser 60 more yards for a TD.  And he’ll be cheap the next 4-5 years.  That 6 million is going to be needed elsewhere is what I’m guessing.

[ThurmanThomasEnglishMuffin]

23 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

Sanders, Beane indicated he thought he wanted to retire.  He also sounded open to bringing him back.  IMHO that would be a mistake.  I thought he took snaps from Davis and from McKenzie that his production didn't always justify, and I never felt he had that trust from Allen that they were on the same page, perhaps because a "foot injury" kept Sanders out of the entirety of training camp.  (And when he was targeted a lot in the first 2 games, IMHO that affected us)

 

Beane never said in so many words they wanted McKenzie back, but when talking about Cole Beasley, he went on at some length about all the things McKenzie brings to the table that Beasley doesn't.  "Isaiah really helped the running game", listed off a bunch of different plays and said "we don't use Cole in those roles".

 

Kumerow has been a key ST player, and he's also a strong blocker downfield and even in the backfield (although not in-line like a TE).

 

So when you look at those "decent $$" which are $7.5M next year, with $6M cash and $1.5M dead, the question becomes "does Beasley contribute more than McKenzie plus Kumerow plus perhaps a younger guy we could sign?"

 

All good points. Sanders void year situation is interesting, it does make him easier in some ways to re-sign, they could add some salary upfront, and kick about $1M of his $2M void year bonus payout in 2022 a year down the road to 2023, but agree that would be a mistake for many reasons. Davis has earned the right to be the #2 on this team and get the lion's share of snaps there. Davis is younger/ cheaper and JA trusts him all over the field.

 

I am hoping McKenzie is brought back. I rank him 3rd as Buffalo FA/RFA that I hope we retain. He is one of my favorite players and I like his unique skill set, and he is still quite young. That said we have a few key FA and not too much money to go around. Does McKenzie want to come back? How does his early season benching affect his decision? How much is he looking for? If Dabs or Ken Dorsey go elsewhere do they want to try to pluck him for their new team?

 

The 'reasonable salary' to look at is $6M for Bease. When making roster decisions I look at the NET effect of the spending to cap in a keep/cut situation. If retained Bease is $7.5M. Cutting him is a $1.5M cap hit, so the Bills are down a productive player and $1.5M against the cap, with $6M to backfill or use elsewhere.

 

I would feel more comfortable locking up McKenzie for 2-3 years before making a move on Bease.

 

ST is going to be dicey. T Jones, S Neal and Kumerow are all FA. Jones is 34, Neal is 28, and Kumerow is 30. ST will probably look quite different next year.