Sullivan: Bills' McDermott choked away Super Bowl-caliber season

[cba fan]

On 1/25/2022 at 5:53 AM, Beast said:

I don’t think that’s true at all. Wilford and Ballard left after Polian was fired. The belief of Polian being fired was a clash with Ralph’s daughter (daughter-in-law?).

they had deals agreed to for each of those ahead of FA at reasonable numbers as no one knew what FA was about to become. (and several others too like Jeff Wright and Biscuit) then at the last min Litteman(Ralphs money lawyer) refused to agree and had Ralphs backing.

Those players then tested FA and some left and some Bills matched like Wright. At much higher prices. 

It was the beginning of the end of SB run.

 

but yes the big reason listed w Polian was the feud with Ralph's daughter.

Edited January 27, 2022 by cba fan

[Shake_My_Head]

F' Sully.   

 

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[Hapless Bills Fan]

18 minutes ago, extrahammer said:

 

It means opinions are like a**holes, everyone has one. It means there must be a reason he hasn't had an NFL opportunity in a long time, nor has he ever held tenure during a very successful team, outside of being with the Patriots for a year in 2014. It means he's a personality, or clickbaiter. He alongside a mob of people are only focusing on those 13 seconds because that's sexy to do. In reality, when the Bills, the Chiefs, or any opponent we face next year reviews the tape on us, they're going to review the other 59 minutes versus those 13 seconds. 

 

The takes that focus on those 13 seconds trying to quantify McD as a "choke" artist, like Jerry's, are insulting your intelligence because a similar scenario happened in 2018 with Belichick, considered the smartest and most evil mind in football, yet the main differentiator is NE won the coin toss in OT. You didn't see media outrage questioning Reid's ability. Lombardi worked with the Patriots for a short time. He's always critical of the Bills, just like Jerry has built his name on it. 

 

The reality is, the Bills lost not only because of 13 seconds in the game, they lost because Tyreek Hill outran our entire defense that flipped the momentum, Kelce had enough experience to read and communicate a seam, we called offensive plays that didn't play to our strengths in the 1st half, we didn't try to expose KC's best cover man being out, and we lost a coin toss. 5 or more other factors could have won us the game too. 

 

FWIW, there was media outrage questioning Reid's abilities both in the 2017 post-season and in the 2018 post season

 

Example:

https://larrybrownsports.com/football/rodney-harrison-criticism-andy-reid/420012

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The Chiefs were up 21-3 at halftime over the Titans, but they got shutout in the second half and lost 22-21. While providing commentary for NBC after the game, Harrison nearly called for Reid’s job.

 

“No excuse for Andy Reid to lose this game. If they want to win a Super Bowl, I don’t think Andy Reid’s the right guy to lead them to it,” Harrison said.

That’s really harsh, though not the first time Harrison has had strong words for the Chiefs.

 

Similar kind of things were said after the 2018 AFCCG loss to the Patriots, specifically after Tony Romo was looking at the Chief's defensive formations and calling out what they were doing on TV.

 

It is noteworthy that after that game, Bob Sutton, the Chiefs DC, got the boot, and KC expended significant resources on DL and secondary.

[extrahammer]

5 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

FWIW, there was media outrage questioning Reid's abilities both in the 2017 post-season and in the 2018 post season

 

Example:

https://larrybrownsports.com/football/rodney-harrison-criticism-andy-reid/420012

 

Similar kind of things were said after the 2018 AFCCG loss to the Patriots, specifically after Tony Romo was looking at the Chief's defensive formations and calling out what they were doing on TV.

 

It is noteworthy that after that game, Bob Sutton, the Chiefs DC, got the boot, and KC expended significant resources on DL and secondary.

 

I agree the management of those 13 seconds was bad, but my point is there were a lot of spots IMO that were bad that could have changed the outcome of the game too. I'm glad you brought these up, I think McD has made progressions and will learn from this. I'd be 100% fine with Frazier leaving. 

[Heitz]

6 hours ago, RyanC883 said:

I'm worried Terry/Kim don't care that much. 

 

Curious as to why?  Because they didn't throw someone into the volcano to appease the mob?  They basically single-handedly kept the Bills in Buffalo, I'd guess they're as upset as the rest of us - maybe even more, since it's their toy and they've been even closer to this entire process.  

 

BTW, if we're volcano throwing, can we start w Sully?? 🤣  

 

[starrymessenger]

McD isn’t going anywhere. But if he never makes it to a Super Bowl (and of course I hope he does) these 13 seconds will be his defining moment and his legacy. He will go down as the Neville Chamberlain of football.

[John from Riverside]

Or you could Rex Ryan the team?

[billsfan714]

5 hours ago, LABILLBACKER said:

We can only afford a couple more confounding moments or he goes from great to a liability. You just absolutely can't waste a qb performance like that.  And McD butchered that last 13 seconds. 

Its kind of like a Breida fumble, do it again and you wont see the field--have to answer to the coach.   Make terrible crucial time coaching decisions, it cant happen again---have to answer to the owner.

[Nextmanup]

18 minutes ago, starrymessenger said:

McD isn’t going anywhere. But if he never makes it to a Super Bowl (and of course I hope he does) these 13 seconds will be his defining moment and his legacy. He will go down as the Neville Chamberlain of football.

You're going to confuse people.  Folks here struggle with 5th grade grammar; they don't know who Neville Chamberlain was.

 

🤫

Edited January 27, 2022 by Nextmanup

[Beast]

54 minutes ago, cba fan said:

they had deals agreed to for each of those ahead of FA at reasonable numbers as no one knew what FA was about to become. (and several others too like Jeff Wright and Biscuit) then at the last min Litteman(Ralphs money lawyer) refused to agree and had Ralphs backing.

Those players then tested FA and some left and some Bills matched like Wright. At much higher prices. 

It was the beginning of the end of SB run.

 

but yes the big reason listed w Polian was the feud with Ralph's daughter.

 

Polian still left before either Wilford or Ballard were free agents.

[Billsfan1972]

Again it's one thing to make mistakes through out the game and it's another thing to lose leads and make bad decisions.  Heck if it wasn't for the last 13 seconds there were other times during the game that we can question the coaching. The point was a screwed-up 13 seconds never done before.

 

Should I go back to 2020 & the Houston game?

 

Unless the Bills win the Super bowl or two-six, those 13 seconds will be the defining Legacy of McDermott.

Edited January 27, 2022 by Billsfan1972

[starrymessenger]

12 minutes ago, Nextmanup said:

You're going to confuse people.  Folks here struggle with 5th grade grammar; they don't know who Neville Chamberlain was.

 

🤫

Lotta smart folks on this board. I mean I know who he is and my grammar sucks.

[Nextmanup]

1 minute ago, starrymessenger said:

Lotta smart folks on this board. I mean I know who he is and my grammar sucks.

That's because you're from Montreal.

 

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[ArtVandalay]

2 hours ago, extrahammer said:

 

It means opinions are like a**holes, everyone has one. It means there must be a reason he hasn't had an NFL opportunity in a long time, nor has he ever held tenure during a very successful team, outside of being with the Patriots for a year in 2014. It means he's a personality, or clickbaiter. He alongside a mob of people are only focusing on those 13 seconds because that's sexy to do. In reality, when the Bills, the Chiefs, or any opponent we face next year reviews the tape on us, they're going to review the other 59 minutes versus those 13 seconds. 

 

The takes that focus on those 13 seconds trying to quantify McD as a "choke" artist, like Jerry's, are insulting your intelligence because a similar scenario happened in 2018 with Belichick, considered the smartest and most evil mind in football, yet the main differentiator is NE won the coin toss in OT. You didn't see media outrage questioning Reid's ability, because Reid has been around a lot longer and he's a fat lovable coach who likes to make chocolate cake analogies. McD is a 5th year HC, is more quiet, Tim Tebow type personality, so he's not as likable. Lombardi worked with the Patriots for a short time. He's always critical of the Bills, just like Jerry has built his name on it. 

 

The reality is, the Bills lost not only because of 13 seconds in the game, they lost because Tyreek Hill outran our entire defense that flipped the momentum, Kelce had enough experience to read and communicate a seam, we called offensive plays that didn't play to our strengths in the 1st half, we didn't try to expose KC's best cover man being out, and we lost a coin toss. 5 or more other factors could have won us the game too. 

Well that 13 seconds was more than just 1 moment and it was one of the all time greatest NFL collapses by a coach. First the kick, then the first play, then the second play, with time outs and preparation for each one, didn't even change up his look and deployed one of the only strategies that could ever allow that to happen. Colossal implosion that will be remembered forever. 

 

Then we were 0-6 in one possession games this year. 

 

Then in last year's playoffs we deployed a horrendous defense that even the commentators were calling out for letting Hill and Kelce run free all game and made zero adjustments just rolled over (he never learned from this as this is the same exact mistake he made in the 13 seconds this year). He also was ultra conservative on offense costing us.

 

Then vs Houston the year prior after being up huge at the half with the game in hand he inexplicably packs in the offense and chokes the game away. 

 

The first time we made the playoffs we weren't expected to go far, but we got matched up vs the Blake Bortles Jaguars and lost 10-3 when Bortles threw for under 100 yards and Fournette ran 21 times for 57... in the game McDermott yet again turned to the horrific Nate Peterman who threw 3 passes and a pick, as McDermott's odd obsession with one of the worst QBs of all time continued.

 

Oh and don't forget he has the worst career record in challenges in the entire league... 6 for 23 in 5 seasons.  WOOF.

 

McDermott has been in the league 21 years and hasn't won anything.  No rings. And he'll never get one. 

 

He made some great contributions while the team was building but this team is so beyond his caliber as a coach, over his head and out of his league.

Edited January 28, 2022 by ArtVandalay

[newcam2012]

1 hour ago, extrahammer said:

 

It means opinions are like a**holes, everyone has one. It means there must be a reason he hasn't had an NFL opportunity in a long time, nor has he ever held tenure during a very successful team, outside of being with the Patriots for a year in 2014. It means he's a personality, or clickbaiter. He alongside a mob of people are only focusing on those 13 seconds because that's sexy to do. In reality, when the Bills, the Chiefs, or any opponent we face next year reviews the tape on us, they're going to review the other 59 minutes versus those 13 seconds. 

 

The takes that focus on those 13 seconds trying to quantify McD as a "choke" artist, like Jerry's, are insulting your intelligence because a similar scenario happened in 2018 with Belichick, considered the smartest and most evil mind in football, yet the main differentiator is NE won the coin toss in OT. You didn't see media outrage questioning Reid's ability, because Reid has been around a lot longer and he's a fat lovable coach who likes to make chocolate cake analogies. McD is a 5th year HC, is more quiet, Tim Tebow type personality, so he's not as likable. Lombardi worked with the Patriots for a short time. He's always critical of the Bills, just like Jerry has built his name on it. 

 

The reality is, the Bills lost not only because of 13 seconds in the game, they lost because Tyreek Hill outran our entire defense that flipped the momentum, Kelce had enough experience to read and communicate a seam, we called offensive plays that didn't play to our strengths in the 1st half, we didn't try to expose KC's best cover man being out, and we lost a coin toss. 5 or more other factors could have won us the game too. 

All a bunch of hogwash. You can try to justify the inevitable all you want. It's not cutting it here. The fact remains the Bills coaching staff failed miserably in that 13 second span. That's putting it mildly. You can twist,turn, deflect, and spin all you want. I'm not about to excuse how incompetent the coaching staff was in that 13 seconds. They ripped the hearts out of the fans and players. So badly, that Coach McD can't even explain himself or his decisions. Why? Because you can't make Shi#t smell like ice cream. In time, this game will go down as one of the worst last second coaching decisions in NFL history. It's not like the Bill's lost on a fluke hail mary, a Franco Harris type play, or an Odel type catch. Nope nope nope. To add insult to injury the Bill's coaching staff called 2 timeouts to get it right. Seriously??? Yet, you don't wanna hear it just like many on here. Instead you attack the media, their character, point to past irrelevant games, etc...Just say it and admit it. The Bills coaching staff blew the game in a 13 second span. There is no other way a knowledgeable football fan can conclude otherwise. 

[Success]

Belichick may not have allowed 13 seconds - but KC did it in 18 seconds against him in 2018.

 

The media gets paid to do this, so I can't blame the take - but I don't have to take it seriously, either.

 

[FLFan]

 

Jerry Sullivan is the champion of all whiners and malcontents everywhere.  He has not been credible for at least 10 years, maybe more.   I quite literally could not care less about anything he has to say.  Clearly though, he has won some new converts among the fan base.  Mission accomplished for him.  He is and always has been a no talent hack with very little actual knowledge as far as I am concerned.

[folz]

I don't know if Jerry is a miserable SOB in real life or just writes like one because he thinks that keeps his career going/brings readers. But either way, what a miserable existence it must be to never see any positives and always be tearing others down. I haven't read anything he has written in years, because you know exactly what you are going to get. He isn't some unbiased, realistic analyst. He has a big ego, a bad relationship with the team, and is going to be negative 95% of the time (whether warranted or not). 

 

 

[Since1981]

On 1/25/2022 at 6:36 AM, GunnerBill said:

If someone trying to break into the business now wrote as poorly as Jerry does they would be stuck working for a low rent internet blog site. 

Niagara Gazette is not much above a low rent interweb blog. Seriously, it’s also why he CAN be a jerk—nothing to lose after the Pulitzer Prize-less Niagara Gazette.

[extrahammer]

51 minutes ago, newcam2012 said:

All a bunch of hogwash. You can try to justify the inevitable all you want. It's not cutting it here. The fact remains the Bills coaching staff failed miserably in that 13 second span. That's putting it mildly. You can twist,turn, deflect, and spin all you want. I'm not about to excuse how incompetent the coaching staff was in that 13 seconds. They ripped the hearts out of the fans and players. So badly, that Coach McD can't even explain himself or his decisions. Why? Because you can't make Shi#t smell like ice cream. In time, this game will go down as one of the worst last second coaching decisions in NFL history. It's not like the Bill's lost on a fluke hail mary, a Franco Harris type play, or an Odel type catch. Nope nope nope. To add insult to injury the Bill's coaching staff called 2 timeouts to get it right. Seriously??? Yet, you don't wanna hear it just like many on here. Instead you attack the media, their character, point to past irrelevant games, etc...Just say it and admit it. The Bills coaching staff blew the game in a 13 second span. There is no other way a knowledgeable football fan can conclude otherwise. 

 

Seriously bro? Hill didn't just slice through our defense and leave them in the dust? Kelce doesn't have more experience than Knox? We called excellent plays in the 1st half? We took advantage of Mathieu going out in the first quarter? We didn't lose a coin toss? Where's the spin? Use all the anecdotes, questions marks, misspelled words, and old adages you want, it definitely makes you look more unemotional and rational. 

 

 

Edited January 28, 2022 by extrahammer