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Just now, The Jokeman said:

Mac Jones without an OC. That said without McDaniels it's going to see what happens to Pats O going forward.


If rumours are true and McKenzie is pissed off because he was benched after fumbling, Pats probably ain’t the spot for him

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2 minutes ago, BananaB said:


If rumours are true and McKenzie is pissed off because he was benched after fumbling, Pats probably ain’t the spot for him

True, I could see McKenzie in a team with a young QB with questions in their top 3 WR group. Chicago was interested last year, new GM/HC but still good team fit IMO or maybe the Lions, Jets or Jags.

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2 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

I approve of this plan.

 

I think Beasley may be a cap casualty, however.  Did you hear Beane's presser?  He "can still play in the NFL"  He'll "continue to play in the league"  "He's still under contract to us, we expect him back"

 

He sounded...unenthused.

I agree that Beasley is towards the end of his career, but can he still move the chains? I would say so. Should he be a focal point in our offense? Probably not, but if he takes a pay cut and wants to stick around as a depth piece I’d love to have him. He’s probably good for 40-50 catches. 
 

Keep in mind that he’s a smart player and he has solid hands and is an excellent route runner and Allen knows him and trusts him and they have chemistry together. I’m pretty sure Allen wants him back and that counts for something.

 

Anyways, I’m not a mind reader, but if I had to read between the lines and make a guess, I would think that Beane is posturing towards Beeze to take a pay cut if he wants to stay. I think what ultimately determines the outcome is the bottom line financially for both parties. If Beasley thinks he can get more money elsewhere, he’ll leave. If he thinks he can’t? He’ll stay. We all know he’s lost a step, but there is still value there at the right price. Also, if our #1, #2 or #3 WR goes down, he would be a nice safety net for Allen.

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I'm hoping they can keep him. The Bills need speed. I don't want to see them lose a speed player that they would also have to replace just to get even. That said, money is going to be tight and there may well be other, more significant, uses for it. 

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24 minutes ago, The Jokeman said:

Diggs and Davis definitely guys for the outside. Beasley in the slot is good if healthy. Stevenson isn't a bad WR when he played either. I just think we have higher needs than WR even if McKenzie leaves

In no way will Stevenson ever amount to anything, he’s terrible. If Stevenson is starting for us in any way we are in trouble. Wan’Dale is a potentially elite slot WR.

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1 minute ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

The other viewpoint is, the offense has only 1 first round pick invested in it (2 if you count Diggs) vs 7 or something like that on the D

Maybe it's time to put a bit more investment into the offense.

Micah and Jordan aren't getting younger. It's a tough as we really in the last year or two to likely be at this level unless Josh keeps at his current pace and defense can be middle of the road or better. On offense I want a RB1.

3 minutes ago, Victory Formation said:

In no way will Stevenson ever amount to anything, he’s terrible. If Stevenson is starting for us in any way we are in trouble. Wan’Dale is a potentially elite slot WR.

I'm not calling for Stevenson to be a starter this in 2023 but 2024 he could. 

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2 minutes ago, The Jokeman said:

Micah and Jordan aren't getting younger. It's a tough as we really in the last year or two to likely be at this level unless Josh keeps at his current pace and defense can be middle of the road or better. On offense I want a RB1.

They were both incredible this year. Poyer and Hyde are probably the best safety tandem in the league. They feast on QBs like a school of piranhas out there, 10 INTs between the two of them, that’s very uncommon in the NFL to have that level of production.

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1 minute ago, Victory Formation said:

They were both incredible this year. Poyer and Hyde are probably the best safety tandem in the league. They feast on QBs like a school of piranhas out there, 10 INTs between the two of them, that’s very uncommon in the NFL to have that level of production.

I know but father time catches up with everybody eventually. I'm looking at 3 years down the road as to me that's when you can fairly grade drafted players.

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37 minutes ago, The Jokeman said:

Diggs and Davis definitely guys for the outside. Beasley in the slot is good if healthy. Stevenson isn't a bad WR when he played either. I just think we have higher needs than WR even if McKenzie leaves.

 

Diggs is good in slot or outside,

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21 minutes ago, BubbaT said:

I'm hoping they can keep him. The Bills need speed. I don't want to see them lose a speed player that they would also have to replace just to get even. That said, money is going to be tight and there may well be other, more significant, uses for it. 

 

This is basically where I am.  If we "feel the need for speed", keep all you can.  OTOH, I'm not persuaded by McDermott's words that they truly believe McKenzie can run all the plays that Beasley can.  I think if they did, McKenzie might actually have seen the field for a couple games when Beasley is nursing sore or cracked ribs, or a broken fibula.  So what's McKenzie's role?

 

You really need your #5 and #6 WR to play Teams, and it's optimal if actually #3 or #4 do it.

 

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Just now, The Jokeman said:

I know but father time catches up with everybody eventually. I'm looking at 3 years down the road as to me that's when you can fairly grade drafted players.

To me, I think CB, OG, LB and NT are our biggest needs. Especially corner, give me a corner over a safety in a NY minute.
 

Picture this, Levi Wallace is a FA, spotrac is projecting his yearly salary to be around $9M/yr. Do you want Buffalo to sink that much money into a player of that caliber? Look what you’re getting! Draft a CB RD1, preferably someone with the last name Elam or Booth Jr. 

 

OG is also a big need as well. I love me some Bates, but if we get a killer guard we can cut Feliciano and free up some cap room.

 

And btw, not to skip over your previous post on Stevenson, but the guy doesn’t look fit for the NFL. I think he’ll be out of the league in 2-3 years. Hopefully he sticks around long enough to get a pension. Didn’t he fumble the ball in the playoffs?

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14 hours ago, CorkScrewHill said:

so either Isaiah is trying to get one last favor from Bills mafia or he is open to returning. Either way, he has been a good Buffalo Bill and he does have nice dance moves .. so a little support would not hurt. Isaiah did retweet this .. so it is a legit favor request.

 

 

 

Aguanile is a banger.

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10 minutes ago, Victory Formation said:

To me, I think CB, OG, LB and NT are our biggest needs. Especially corner, give me a corner over a safety in a NY minute.
 

Picture this, Levi Wallace is a FA, spotrac is projecting his yearly salary to be around $9M/yr. Do you want Buffalo to sink that much money into a player of that caliber? Look what you’re getting! Draft a CB RD1, preferably someone with the last name Elam or Booth Jr. 

 

OG is also a big need as well. I love me some Bates, but if we get a killer guard we can cut Feliciano and free up some cap room.

 

And btw, not to skip over your previous post on Stevenson, but the guy doesn’t look fit for the NFL. I think he’ll be out of the league in 2-3 years. Hopefully he sticks around long enough to get a pension. Didn’t he fumble the ball in the playoffs?

I remember Stevenson in the preseason doing well. He also showed seperation I'm regular season. As a KR he struggled but wasn't horrible all the timr. I agree with your draft needs and throw in RB1 I'm there too. At OG we let Feliciano go and find a solid depth guy as Bates and Williams were great down the stretch.

 

I bring up Hyde and Poyet as think if improve CB2 it makes S less important so we can afford for them to slip as they age.

 

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Just now, The Jokeman said:

I remember Stevenson in the preseason doing well. He also showed seperation I'm regular season. As a KR he struggled but wasn't horrible all the timr. I agree with your draft needs and throw in RB1 I'm there too. At OG we let Feliciano go and find a solid depth guy as Bated and Willis were great down the stretch.

 

Bills fans have an amusing infatuation with UDFA/7th picks at WR. First it was Martin Nance and then that DaRick Rogers guy. How often does that work out? I’m not saying it never happens, but it’s like finding a needle in a haystack. I think Stevie Johnson is the only one that I can think of in recent memory that actually panned out.


I think WR is a huge need for this team as well, the only reason I didn’t include it in our draft needs is because I think Buffalo needs to go here in FA. I’ll admit that there’s a few guys I’m salivating over in the draft, mainly that kid from USC and that kid from Kentucky, but WR typically has a steep learning curve and I think that there’s some really quality plug in play guys in FA that would provide us with great value financially and could provide us instantly with a high level of production.

 

I think that Buffalo should ultimately go corner and OL in the draft, mainly because we can free up big money here by cutting Feliciano and by not overpaying an average corner like Levi Wallace big money.

 

I would also argue that a solid LB is a necessity as well. I like the Tindall kid from Georgia, he’s probably a big upgrade over Edmunds, Klein and Matekavich and we would be paying him a lot less money and we could hopefully free up even more cap room here as well.

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1 hour ago, BananaB said:


If rumours are true and McKenzie is pissed off because he was benched after fumbling, Pats probably ain’t the spot for him

 

I think McKenzie recognized the benching as something he needed to improve from.

 

What I think McKenzie is salty about is not getting more opportunity to play. 

 

I think he feels he can start in the slot, or at least share more snaps.  If the Bills keep Beasley and Dorsey/Brady (if he's passing game coordinator) see McKenzie the same way and the Bills keep Beasley, McKenzie owes it to his NFL career to find a team that will give him more opportunity.

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4 minutes ago, Victory Formation said:

Bills fans have an amusing infatuation with UDFA/7th picks at WR. First it was Martin Nance and then that DaRick Rogers guy. How often does that work out? I’m not saying it never happens, but it’s like finding a needle in a haystack. I think Stevie Johnson is the only one that I can think of in recent memory that actually panned out.


I think WR is a huge need for this team as well, the only reason I didn’t include it in our draft needs is because I think Buffalo needs to go here in FA. I’ll admit that there’s a few guys I’m salivating over in the draft, mainly that kid from USC and that kid from Kentucky, but WR typically has a steep learning curve and I think that there’s some really quality plug in play guys in FA that would provide us with great value financially and could provide us instantly with a high level of production.

 

I think that Buffalo should ultimately go corner and OL in the draft, mainly because we can free up big money here by cutting Feliciano and by not overpaying an average corner like Levi Wallace big money.

 

I would also argue that a solid LB is a necessity as well. I like the Tindall kid from Georgia, he’s probably a big upgrade over Edmunds, Klein and Matekavich and we would be paying him a lot less money and we could hopefully free up even more cap room here as well.

I agree WR take time to develop which looking for Stevenson to do nut all for adding a guy to the mix too but again not top 3 round pick. If we could get a guy like Jamison Crowder on a cheap deal I could see cutting Beasley and use savings on a veteran DT for rotation and ot replace Star. Yet Crowder injury history is risky.

 

I 100% agree on CB2 and OL depth. LB depth nice but maybe find a cheaper AJ Klein type and draft Rinds replacement next year.

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45 minutes ago, Victory Formation said:

Bills fans have an amusing infatuation with UDFA/7th picks at WR. First it was Martin Nance and then that DaRick Rogers guy. How often does that work out? I’m not saying it never happens, but it’s like finding a needle in a haystack. I think Stevie Johnson is the only one that I can think of in recent memory that actually panned out.


I think WR is a huge need for this team as well, the only reason I didn’t include it in our draft needs is because I think Buffalo needs to go here in FA. I’ll admit that there’s a few guys I’m salivating over in the draft, mainly that kid from USC and that kid from Kentucky, but WR typically has a steep learning curve and I think that there’s some really quality plug in play guys in FA that would provide us with great value financially and could provide us instantly with a high level of production.

 

I think that Buffalo should ultimately go corner and OL in the draft, mainly because we can free up big money here by cutting Feliciano and by not overpaying an average corner like Levi Wallace big money.

 

I would also argue that a solid LB is a necessity as well. I like the Tindall kid from Georgia, he’s probably a big upgrade over Edmunds, Klein and Matekavich and we would be paying him a lot less money and we could hopefully free up even more cap room here as well.


All kinds of late round WR picks go on to have decent careers in the NFL, not just Stevie Johnson. 
 

You normally see these guys turn up more on a team with solid QB play, something Bills haven’t had in many years but have now. 

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