Democracy’s Fiery Ordeal: The War in Ukraine 🇺🇦

[TSOL]

We should send them some electric M-1's 

[Coffeesforclosers]

So look out for more details/confirmation of this over the next few days...military bases and ammunition producers are exploding/on fire all across Iran, and all on the same night.  That's in Isfahan, Tabriz, Karaj, Hamedan and Khoy.

 

May be Ukraine related, may be the Mahsa Amini protesters stepping up their game, may be both, may be neither.  Keeping an eye on this.

[ALF]

Air Force general predicts war with China in 2025: 'I hope I am wrong'
Four-star Air Force general warns 2024 elections will 'distract' US, enable China to invade Taiwan

 

Minihan directed his Air Force commanders to report back by Feb. 28 on steps they will take to prepare for the war against China. 

 

https://www.foxnews.com/world/air-force-general-predicts-war-china-2025-i-hope-i-am-wrong

[reddogblitz]

16 hours ago, Tiberius said:

Can't wait for this offensive! I'm sure Putin has put together a great force for that! 🤣

 

If/when this Russia offensive happens, a lot of people are going to die.  You talk about it like it's a football game.  Its something you can laugh about.  Sad.

[Tiberius]

4 hours ago, reddogblitz said:

 

If/when this Russia offensive happens, a lot of people are going to die.  You talk about it like it's a football game.  Its something you can laugh about.  Sad.

Someone will win and someone will lose and it is a war people will die. 

 

You just don't want anyone to even talk about it because your side is losing. 

 

You just sound like a loser when you whine like that 

13 hours ago, Coffeesforclosers said:

So look out for more details/confirmation of this over the next few days...military bases and ammunition producers are exploding/on fire all across Iran, and all on the same night.  That's in Isfahan, Tabriz, Karaj, Hamedan and Khoy.

 

May be Ukraine related, may be the Mahsa Amini protesters stepping up their game, may be both, may be neither.  Keeping an eye on this.

Good! Whoever is doing it, keep up the good work! 

[B-Man]

 

 

Brief Update Re The Rand Report

by Mark Wauck

 

In the previous post, What's Behind The Talk Of Negotiations? we devoted a fair amount of space to the new study that was published by the Rand Corporation. The study focused on a cost/benefit analysis for America in a protracted war with Russia.

 

(snip)

 

It was framed as helping Ukraine resist “unprovoked” aggression from Russia—as if there was no pre-history to this war, as if NATO had not been actively promoting economic and political warfare against Russia with Ukraine as a proxy.

 

In fact, it appears likely that an eventual Russian military response was exactly what NATO desired,

 

https://meaninginhistory.substack.com/p/brief-update-re-the-rand-report?utm_source=post-email-title&publication_id=473679&post_id=99453194&isFreemail=true&utm_medium=email

[BuffaninSarasota]

1 hour ago, Tiberius said:

Someone will win and someone will lose and it is a war people will die. 

 

You just don't want anyone to even talk about it because your side is losing. 

 

You just sound like a loser when you whine like that 

Good! Whoever is doing it, keep up the good work! 

who's "side" is losing ?

[Tiberius]

53 minutes ago, BuffaninSarasota said:

who's "side" is losing ?

Russia.

 

Now who was Russia backing here domestically? 

 

 

59 minutes ago, B-Man said:

 

 

Brief Update Re The Rand Report

by Mark Wauck

 

In the previous post, What's Behind The Talk Of Negotiations? we devoted a fair amount of space to the new study that was published by the Rand Corporation. The study focused on a cost/benefit analysis for America in a protracted war with Russia.

 

(snip)

 

It was framed as helping Ukraine resist “unprovoked” aggression from Russia—as if there was no pre-history to this war, as if NATO had not been actively promoting economic and political warfare against Russia with Ukraine as a proxy.

 

In fact, it appears likely that an eventual Russian military response was exactly what NATO desired,

 

https://meaninginhistory.substack.com/p/brief-update-re-the-rand-report?utm_source=post-email-title&publication_id=473679&post_id=99453194&isFreemail=true&utm_medium=email

Oh, more of this it wasn't the bloodthirsty Putin's fault for launching this horrible war. 

 

Yes B-Man the war was unprovoked. Putin started the war, period. 

 

Keep posting this trash, it proves a lot. 

[B-Man]

 

From tanks for Ukraine to F-16s in... how long?

 

When Volodymyr Zelensky began demanding tanks to use against the Russians, some analysts (including me) asked how long it would be until he renewed his demands for fighter jets and eventually tactical nukes.
 

Now we know the answer to that question and it didn’t take more than a few days. We haven’t reached the stage of giving him nuclear weapons yet, but Politico is now describing the “fast track” in Washington as we move toward sending Ukraine F-16 fighter jets and long-range missiles. And the calls are coming from inside the Pentagon. Of course, on top of the logistical challenges involved in putting Ukrainian pilots in some of our Vipers, such a move could easily turn into a tremendous waste of time, money, and lives.

 

Much more at the link:

https://hotair.com/jazz-shaw/2023/01/29/from-tanks-for-ukraine-to-f-16s-in-how-long-n527124
 

 

[sherpa]

Regarding the F-16, again, the Swedish Gripen makes way more sense, on so many levels.

[Tiberius]

 

[Coffeesforclosers]

4 hours ago, Tiberius said:

 

Oh, more of this it wasn't the bloodthirsty Putin's fault for launching this horrible war. 

 

Yes B-Man the war was unprovoked. Putin started the war, period. 

 

Keep posting this trash, it proves a lot. 

 

This Wauck guy doesn't look like much. Retired FBI agent who thinks Doug Macgregor is worth listening to?  Okie dokie, that's fine, he's entitled to his opinion. 

 

I'm sure if I read further I'd find conspiracy theories about globalist capitalist warmongers. Among other talking points the Alt Right has stolen from college Marxists. 

 

[Tiberius]

 

[reddogblitz]

On 1/29/2023 at 7:13 AM, B-Man said:

 

 

Brief Update Re The Rand Report

by Mark Wauck

 

In the previous post, What's Behind The Talk Of Negotiations? we devoted a fair amount of space to the new study that was published by the Rand Corporation. The study focused on a cost/benefit analysis for America in a protracted war with Russia.

 

(snip)

 

It was framed as helping Ukraine resist “unprovoked” aggression from Russia—as if there was no pre-history to this war, as if NATO had not been actively promoting economic and political warfare against Russia with Ukraine as a proxy.

 

In fact, it appears likely that an eventual Russian military response was exactly what NATO desired,

 

https://meaninginhistory.substack.com/p/brief-update-re-the-rand-report?utm_source=post-email-title&publication_id=473679&post_id=99453194&isFreemail=true&utm_medium=email

 

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The US proxy army in Ukraine has largely been destroyed—the current hubbub about scraping together tanks and other armored vehicles, and possibly planes, is about prolonging the conflict. 

 

This is,what I've been thinking.  Sending just a few of this and a few of that will just make this thing go on longer resulting in more suffering for the Ukrainian people.  Zelenksy and his army suit and General Dynamics etc will all be just fine while the little people suffer as usual.

 

I would prefer to see us try for some diplomatic peaceful way to end this nonsense. In the mean time, supply humanitarian aid and bring refugees to the United States as opposed to more bombs.

[BillStime]

5 minutes ago, B-Man said:

 

 

Amen.

 

At least TRY to get the war to end.

 

 

 

B.S, Tibs  "That's Putin lover talk"

 

 

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HA - you were so welcoming of Afghan Refugees, right Bonnie?

 

 

[reddogblitz]

On 1/29/2023 at 8:12 AM, Tiberius said:

Russia.

 

Now who was Russia backing here domestically? 

 

 

Oh, more of this it wasn't the bloodthirsty Putin's fault for launching this horrible war. 

 

Yes B-Man the war was unprovoked. Putin started the war, period. 

 

Keep posting this trash, it proves a lot. 

 

Acoording to Newsweek article, Ukraine is Considering retreating from Bakhmut because they getting too many guys killed.

 

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A local Ukrainian commander said Monday that if his country's forces were to withdraw from the long-embattled city of Bakhmut, it would be done only to save the lives of Ukraine's troops.

 

Russia has tried for months to seize Bakhmut, which is in the eastern Donetsk region, but Ukraine has so far prevented Russian troops from gaining control over the city. The long and grinding fighting has reportedly resulted in heavy casualties on both sides. In December, Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky said the Russians had "actually destroyed" Bakhmut in the fighting.

 

https://www.newsweek.com/ukraine-commander-reveals-sole-reason-troops-would-withdraw-bakhmut-1777654

 

So much winning.  Russia is fighting this as a war of attrition.  Once Ukraine gets those 30 Bradley's up and running they'll be able to end this quickly.  Yeah right.  Continuing to pour weapons into there will only make this last years longer.  What happens when Ukraine runs out of soldiers?

[All_Pro_Bills]

18 minutes ago, reddogblitz said:

So much winning.  Russia is fighting this as a war of attrition.  Once Ukraine gets those 30 Bradley's up and running they'll be able to end this quickly.  Yeah right.  Continuing to pour weapons into there will only make this last years longer.  What happens when Ukraine runs out of soldiers?

When they run out of soldiers the war will be over.  Then some Pentagon & defense industry funded think tank will perform a study which concludes the US and its allies should have done more sooner and they'll recommend a 50% boost in annual US defense spending to over $1.2T.  And all the puppets in Congress from both parties will vote for it while they consider an annual budget bill that raises grandma's social security eligibility age to 70 and cut school lunch programs due to lack of funding.    

Edited January 31, 2023 by All_Pro_Bills

[Tommy Callahan]

19 minutes ago, reddogblitz said:

 

Acoording to Newsweek article, Ukraine is Considering retreating from Bakhmut because they getting too many guys killed.

 

 

https://www.newsweek.com/ukraine-commander-reveals-sole-reason-troops-would-withdraw-bakhmut-1777654

 

So much winning.  Russia is fighting this as a war of attrition.  Once Ukraine gets those 30 Bradley's up and running they'll be able to end this quickly.  Yeah right.  Continuing to pour weapons into there will only make this last years longer.  What happens when Ukraine runs out of soldiers?

biggest secret is the fact the russian front lines are wagner.  Ukraine front lines are full of merks from all over the world.

 

eric princes' group has been under the radar lately.

 

 

[Tiberius]

1 hour ago, reddogblitz said:

 

Acoording to Newsweek article, Ukraine is Considering retreating from Bakhmut because they getting too many guys killed.

 

 

https://www.newsweek.com/ukraine-commander-reveals-sole-reason-troops-would-withdraw-bakhmut-1777654

 

So much winning.  Russia is fighting this as a war of attrition.  Once Ukraine gets those 30 Bradley's up and running they'll be able to end this quickly.  Yeah right.  Continuing to pour weapons into there will only make this last years longer.  What happens when Ukraine runs out of soldiers?

And not sending weapons with just encourage Putin to attack more which will increase the length of the war 

[All_Pro_Bills]

6 minutes ago, Tiberius said:

And not sending weapons with just encourage Putin to attack more which will increase the length of the war 

I think that conclusion is demonstrably false because to this point any escalation in hostilities from either side has been met with an equal or larger escalation from the other.  It might be a major error in judgment to base strategy on the premise the other person is going to back down if they're threatened with more harm. 

I've been a party in one form or another to some personal disagreements where both potential combatants had a similar expectation (that being the other guy will back down) it never ended well for either person.