B-Man Posted January 31, 2023 Share Posted January 31, 2023 The liberal push for an all-out war with Russia We have clearly reached the point where The Narrative has undergone a radical evolution when it comes to the Russian invasion of Ukraine. Originally, there were many discussions taking place about how wrong it was for Russia to invade a neighboring country and how democratic countries needed to assist Ukraine in fighting off the invaders. There was nothing wrong with those proposals, obviously. Vladimir Putin started an unprovoked war in Europe that nobody else wanted or even saw any justification for. He was “the bad guy” in this scenario and decent people don’t root for the bad guy. But now, at least in some circles, The Narrative has changed dramatically. The need to “repel Russia back behind its own borders” has changed to one claiming that “Russia must be thoroughly defeated at any cost and Putin needs to go.” Members of both parties in DC are increasingly using phrases such as “no matter the cost” and “however long it takes.” Agreeing with Volodymyr Zelensky’s original, reasonable request for “ammunition” has now swelled in volume to quickly agreeing to his demands for modern tanks and, very soon, fighter jets. This support for an escalation of the hostilities on a path that could easily kick off world war three has spilled out of the halls of Congress and into the media, particularly among liberals for reasons that still don’t seem clear. The latest example of this phenomenon can be found in a new op-ed at The Daily Beast from David Rothkopf. The title nicely sums up the thrust of the article. “We’ve done lots for Ukraine, but winning will take much more.” (Emphasis mine) {snip} At least for the moment, they sadly appear to have the upper hand. Attitudes such as the one being pitched by David Rothkopf are not only showing up among Democrats in Washington. We have high-ranking Republican leaders mouthing the same words or, at best, remaining silent so they won’t be seen as “failing to save democracy” by propping up Ukraine’s notoriously corrupt government. Thankfully, not all of our allies are lining up to support a limitless escalation of the war. Germany is already warning against an “arms race” in Ukraine and for good reasons. They grudgingly went along with sending modern battle tanks, but they are still “ruling out” fighter jets. Hopefully, if they refuse to take that step, Joe Biden will once again hesitate to go through with shipping our F-16 Vipers over there, only to be shot down by Russian air defense systems. https://hotair.com/jazz-shaw/2023/01/30/the-liberal-push-for-an-all-out-war-with-russia-n527264 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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All_Pro_Bills Posted January 31, 2023 Share Posted January 31, 2023 26 minutes ago, aristocrat said: If I'm running the program I'd use some "outside of the box" thinking and offer to pay all those Wagner mercenaries $500K apiece to surrender and switch sides. That would be more effective than transferring all this military hardware. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted January 31, 2023 Author Share Posted January 31, 2023 4 hours ago, B-Man said: The liberal push for an all-out war with Russia We have clearly reached the point where The Narrative has undergone a radical evolution when it comes to the Russian invasion of Ukraine. Originally, there were many discussions taking place about how wrong it was for Russia to invade a neighboring country and how democratic countries needed to assist Ukraine in fighting off the invaders. There was nothing wrong with those proposals, obviously. Vladimir Putin started an unprovoked war in Europe that nobody else wanted or even saw any justification for. He was “the bad guy” in this scenario and decent people don’t root for the bad guy. But now, at least in some circles, The Narrative has changed dramatically. The need to “repel Russia back behind its own borders” has changed to one claiming that “Russia must be thoroughly defeated at any cost and Putin needs to go.” Members of both parties in DC are increasingly using phrases such as “no matter the cost” and “however long it takes.” Agreeing with Volodymyr Zelensky’s original, reasonable request for “ammunition” has now swelled in volume to quickly agreeing to his demands for modern tanks and, very soon, fighter jets. This support for an escalation of the hostilities on a path that could easily kick off world war three has spilled out of the halls of Congress and into the media, particularly among liberals for reasons that still don’t seem clear. The latest example of this phenomenon can be found in a new op-ed at The Daily Beast from David Rothkopf. The title nicely sums up the thrust of the article. “We’ve done lots for Ukraine, but winning will take much more.” (Emphasis mine) {snip} At least for the moment, they sadly appear to have the upper hand. Attitudes such as the one being pitched by David Rothkopf are not only showing up among Democrats in Washington. We have high-ranking Republican leaders mouthing the same words or, at best, remaining silent so they won’t be seen as “failing to save democracy” by propping up Ukraine’s notoriously corrupt government. Thankfully, not all of our allies are lining up to support a limitless escalation of the war. Germany is already warning against an “arms race” in Ukraine and for good reasons. They grudgingly went along with sending modern battle tanks, but they are still “ruling out” fighter jets. Hopefully, if they refuse to take that step, Joe Biden will once again hesitate to go through with shipping our F-16 Vipers over there, only to be shot down by Russian air defense systems. https://hotair.com/jazz-shaw/2023/01/30/the-liberal-push-for-an-all-out-war-with-russia-n527264 Hot air Appeasement is a failed policy 34 minutes ago, aristocrat said: So are we in WWIII? 5 minutes ago, All_Pro_Bills said: If I'm running the program I'd use some "outside of the box" thinking and offer to pay all those Wagner mercenaries $500K apiece to surrender and switch sides. That would be more effective than transferring all this military hardware. Isn’t it better to kill terrorists Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JDHillFan Posted January 31, 2023 Share Posted January 31, 2023 8 hours ago, Tiberius said: So you are fine with Putin taken part of Ukraine. Basically you are for appeasement like Chamberlain was with Hitler Your good American president was perfectly ok with a “minor incursion”. How many Ukrainians have to die on his watch? Sad. He’s another Chamberlain alright. Only dumber. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
All_Pro_Bills Posted February 1, 2023 Share Posted February 1, 2023 2 hours ago, Tiberius said: Isn’t it better to kill terrorists Sure, but there's always the chance they kill you first. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted February 1, 2023 Share Posted February 1, 2023 3 hours ago, Tiberius said: Hot air Isn’t it better to kill terrorists No adult falls for the "I don't approve of your site" childishness anymore, but we know that doesn't affect you. There are "terrorists" everywhere little man, you should want there to be peace, but no, just attack everyone as Putin lovers. Johnny One Note. . 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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sherpa Posted February 1, 2023 Share Posted February 1, 2023 15 hours ago, aristocrat said: In the interest if fairness, he mentioned "planes and tanks and trains" with American pilots and crews. That was conveniently left out. That isn't what the Abrams tanks announcement includes. It doesn't matter if it's the false accusation that Trump was talking about white supremacist's in his "good people on both sides" quote that completely ignored context or this one, they are misleading. By the way "trains?" I guess that was Biden just being Biden. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted February 1, 2023 Author Share Posted February 1, 2023 14 hours ago, JDHillFan said: Your good American president was perfectly ok with a “minor incursion”. How many Ukrainians have to die on his watch? Sad. He’s another Chamberlain alright. Only dumber. Real dumb, dumb enough to see Putin's army smashed up real good. 👍 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted February 1, 2023 Share Posted February 1, 2023 Is the Russian economy in tatters yet? 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted February 1, 2023 Share Posted February 1, 2023 Victoria Azerenka. 2 Time Grand Slam Winner. From the country of Belarus Belarus is siding with Russia in the Ukraine conflict. So she HAS to 'questioned. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reddogblitz Posted February 2, 2023 Share Posted February 2, 2023 15 hours ago, B-Man said: Victoria Azerenka. 2 Time Grand Slam Winner. From the country of Belarus Belarus is siding with Russia in the Ukraine conflict. So she HAS to 'questioned. I'd be more Interested in questions about her backhand or her serve. Or more importantly, how is she going to try to beat Jessica Pegula. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Tommy Callahan Posted February 2, 2023 Share Posted February 2, 2023 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ run out and buy her upcoming book ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted February 2, 2023 Author Share Posted February 2, 2023 8 minutes ago, Chris farley said: ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ run out and buy her upcoming book ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Hurry! Before the next Russian meat grinding operation begins! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommy Callahan Posted February 2, 2023 Share Posted February 2, 2023 per clips from a book someone is hocking in the non fiction section. but hey. anymore thats the grift. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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TSOL Posted February 3, 2023 Share Posted February 3, 2023 21 minutes ago, Tiberius said: You know the plan is to deplete our weapons and fuel in Ukraine before China hits Taiwan, right? Do you know how much fuel those tanks take? Now, are we giving them the fuel too? Or just the tanks? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted February 3, 2023 Author Share Posted February 3, 2023 31 minutes ago, TSOL said: You know the plan is to deplete our weapons and fuel in Ukraine before China hits Taiwan, right? Do you know how much fuel those tanks take? Now, are we giving them the fuel too? Or just the tanks? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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