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Democracy’s Fiery Ordeal: The War in Ukraine 🇺🇦


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2 hours ago, Tiberius said:

 

 

I’m sorry Tibs. I’m not following either you or Adam Kinzinger. What about Mr Trumps tweet has your knickers in a twist? Seems clear headed and reasonable to me. Are you concerned that a peace accord could be reached that will end this nonsense?

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5 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said:

I’m sorry Tibs. I’m not following either you or Adam Kinzinger. What about Mr Trumps tweet has your knickers in a twist? Seems clear headed and reasonable to me. Are you concerned that a peace accord could be reached that will end this nonsense?

Oh, like how if he was President Putin would not have invaded? What crap. 

 

He would have allowed Ukraine to die 

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1 hour ago, Tiberius said:

Oh, like how if he was President Putin would not have invaded? What crap. 

 

He would have allowed Ukraine to die 

Most likely Trump would have given Russia assurances that Ukraine would not be added to NATO and the war would have been avoided and Ukraine would have gone on their merry way as an independent democracy and would not be engaged in a bloody  and costly conflict.  There would have been no sanctions and Europe and other impacted countries would not have been harmed.   The inflation, and supply disruptions the world is experiencing would not have happened.

 

But Biden won the election, brought back Victoria Nuland the official who engineered the Madian coup in 2014, to finish the job, refused to engage in any meaningful discussions, and flooded the region with arms.  Then Russia invaded.  And in April when parties like Turkey had brokered a peace settlement between Russia and Ukraine, Boris Johnson was dispatched to Kiev to deliver the message to Zelensky that the US and UK would not allow any truce or peace deal and the war would continue.  And it goes on. 

 

So yeah, maybe it could have been avoided or at a minimum ended already.  I should add, anyone thinking the main US interests are in supporting Ukrainian democracy was dropped on their head too many times.  The US interest is to weaken Russia and maintain the uni polar world order both Moscow and Beijing and other countries threaten.  Ukrainian blood and territory is just the proxy and acceptable sacrifice to support that goal.

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9 minutes ago, All_Pro_Bills said:

Most likely Trump would have given Russia assurances that Ukraine would not be added to NATO and the war would have been avoided and Ukraine would have gone on their merry way as an independent democracy and would not be engaged in a bloody  and costly conflict.   

More likely he would of done what he did do, praised Putin for attacking another country. 

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13 hours ago, aristocrat said:

 

 

 

Wow!  A top officer in Brandon's army gave intelligence to Russia!

 

Holy s.......this must be all over the news!

 

Bill Stime most be losing whatever is left of his mind!  

 

This is unconscionable.

 

 

 

 

Hahahahahaha

 

 

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17 hours ago, aristocrat said:

 

The indictment names Jamie Lee Henry, an Army major at Fort Bragg who had a secret security clearance, and Henry’s spouse, Anna Gabrielian, a Russian-speaker who is affiliated with Johns Hopkins, according to a Hopkins webpage.

They are charged with offering sensitive information to an undercover FBI agent who was posing as a representative of the Russian Embassy.

The indictment says the FBI learned that Gabrielian had volunteered assistance to Russia through its embassy in Washington. 

 

 

 

First off, if they are gulity send them away for a long time or give them up to Russian conscription 

 

Secondly, where is all the screaming about this being entrapment? 

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1 minute ago, Tiberius said:

The indictment names Jamie Lee Henry, an Army major at Fort Bragg who had a secret security clearance, and Henry’s spouse, Anna Gabrielian, a Russian-speaker who is affiliated with Johns Hopkins, according to a Hopkins webpage.

They are charged with offering sensitive information to an undercover FBI agent who was posing as a representative of the Russian Embassy.

The indictment says the FBI learned that Gabrielian had volunteered assistance to Russia through its embassy in Washington. 

 

 

 

First off, if they are gulity send them away for a long time or give them up to Russian conscription 

 

Secondly, where is all the screaming about this being entrapment? 

 

Because they reached out to the Russians to start this whole thing off. Just emailed the embassy saying they wanted to help.  Now, had the FBI injected themselves into their relationship before the emails to the embassy or encouraged them to then it would be entrapment. Difference is these two iniated the entire thing. FBI found out and put a stop to it...job seems to have been done well.  Learn what entrapment is bud. 

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Just now, aristocrat said:

 

Because they reached out to the Russians to start this whole thing off. Just emailed the embassy saying they wanted to help.  Now, had the FBI injected themselves into their relationship before the emails to the embassy or encouraged them to then it would be entrapment. Difference is these two iniated the entire thing. FBI found out and put a stop to it...job seems to have been done well.  Learn what entrapment is bud. 

so reaching out to Russia .like saying through the media, "Russia if you are listening..." 

 

Same thing, you need to understand that buddy 

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Just now, Tiberius said:

so reaching out to Russia .like saying through the media, "Russia if you are listening..." 

 

Same thing, you need to understand that buddy 

 

Yes saying something out loud is exactly the same thing. Emailing a foreign country to give intel on our troops is exactly the same as randomly saying hey can you find all these classified docs hillary was careless with is exactly the same. 

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Just now, aristocrat said:

 

Yes saying something out loud is exactly the same thing. Emailing a foreign country to give intel on our troops is exactly the same as randomly saying hey can you find all these classified docs hillary was careless with is exactly the same. 

Reaching out to them. 

 

I know, it's Saint Donald, so he gets a pass. Sorry Buddy, you are not consistent 

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Just now, Tiberius said:

Reaching out to them. 

 

I know, it's Saint Donald, so he gets a pass. Sorry Buddy, you are not consistent 

 

So did he actually speak to anyone about these emails?  There is a difference.  Biden said the pandemic was over and they had to walk it back and say it wasnt. Is what trump said wrong? Sure. But that's about all it was

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Just now, aristocrat said:

 

So did he actually speak to anyone about these emails?  There is a difference.  Biden said the pandemic was over and they had to walk it back and say it wasnt. Is what trump said wrong? Sure. But that's about all it was

Huh? 

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