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Democracy’s Fiery Ordeal: The War in Ukraine 🇺🇦


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4 hours ago, Tiberius said:

Well look at what happened to your model government! Your hero putin had to default, lol. 

 

 

 

https://www.cnn.com/2022/06/27/economy/russia-debt-default-sanctions/index.html

 

Still, it took longer than many had expected: Sanctions have largely failed to cripple Russia's economy, as surging energy prices have padded the country's coffers.

Meanwhile, Russia's currency has soared to a seven-year high against the US dollar.

 

When does the crippling part begin? Shouldn’t it have all been over by now? Do you have any expectation for when it might be over? The Ukrainian people are suffering. 

 

 

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18 minutes ago, JDHillFan said:

https://www.cnn.com/2022/06/27/economy/russia-debt-default-sanctions/index.html

 

Still, it took longer than many had expected: Sanctions have largely failed to cripple Russia's economy, as surging energy prices have padded the country's coffers.

Meanwhile, Russia's currency has soared to a seven-year high against the US dollar.

 

When does the crippling part begin? Shouldn’t it have all been over by now? Do you have any expectation for when it might be over? The Ukrainian people are suffering. 

 

 

So you have no clue about the importance of the bond market I guess. Sure seems that way 

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2 minutes ago, Tiberius said:

So you have no clue about the importance of the bond market I guess. Sure seems that way 

You should write an angry letter to CNN for publishing that pro-Putin crap. They are obviously fascists. And possibly ignorant of how bond markets work. 

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On 12/5/2021 at 9:42 AM, All_Pro_Bills said:

Other than Sevastopol in Crimea Russia has no strategic interest in Ukraine other than discouraging NATO from expanding and housing troops in the country.  It's all posturing right now.  On both sides.  NATO is trying to pretend it is still relevant and Russia is bluffing a build-up to assess the West's response strategy in the event something "hot" starts.

 

Can anyone clearly articulate the US security interest here?  Absent any patronizing talk about supporting democracy.  Can you find Ukraine on a map without the country names shown?  

Bump this... 😆 

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6 minutes ago, B-Man said:

 

 

Sure, no problem.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

$87,000,000,000: NATO's monthly budget

$5,000,000,000: Monthly cost to grind the Russian army to shreds

 

Sounds good to me. 

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You have to ask yourself why the US is sending two battalions of the 101st to Poland, one of which is the headquarters batallion. The 101st is offensive capability. They aren't peacekeepers. 

 

Destroyers to Spain, F-35s to England. Feels like positioning to me in bits and pieces, under the radar so nobody gets spooked and drives oil prices higher. 

 

I don't put it past these fools to engage in real conflict with Russian troops in Ukraine - if Kyiv is in imminent danger of collapse, I could see NATO entering the war. 

 

Ukraine isn't just Biden's mess. It's been a Bush, Obama, Trump mess too. 

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13 minutes ago, dpberr said:

You have to ask yourself why the US is sending two battalions of the 101st to Poland, one of which is the headquarters batallion. The 101st is offensive capability. They aren't peacekeepers. 

 

Destroyers to Spain, F-35s to England. Feels like positioning to me in bits and pieces, under the radar so nobody gets spooked and drives oil prices higher. 

 

I don't put it past these fools to engage in real conflict with Russian troops in Ukraine - if Kyiv is in imminent danger of collapse, I could see NATO entering the war. 

 

Ukraine isn't just Biden's mess. It's been a Bush, Obama, Trump mess too. 

Well... At least Clinton is out of picture.  The Republicans blamed him for everything.

 

Clinton Bad!

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1 hour ago, dpberr said:

You have to ask yourself why the US is sending two battalions of the 101st to Poland, one of which is the headquarters batallion. The 101st is offensive capability. They aren't peacekeepers. 

 

Destroyers to Spain, F-35s to England. Feels like positioning to me in bits and pieces, under the radar so nobody gets spooked and drives oil prices higher. 

 

I don't put it past these fools to engage in real conflict with Russian troops in Ukraine - if Kyiv is in imminent danger of collapse, I could see NATO entering the war. 

 

Ukraine isn't just Biden's mess. It's been a Bush, Obama, Trump mess too. 

You don't send Peacekeepers to deter aggression.  The Screaming Eagles though, they tend to get their point across.  The point of NATO is to deter Russian aggression against NATO members.

 

Poland asked for and is getting a permanent US base.  Which makes sense because Poland is a NATO member, Russia invades its neighbors for no reason, and because Eastern Europe has a long, long history of being sold down the river by Western Europe whenever the words "War" and "Russia" pop up. People forget that 1/3 of Poland's population died or was murdered in World War II.  Poland is afraid Russia will attack, because Russia has said over, and over, and over again that they want to rebuild the USSR/Russian Empire, whether their old territories want to come back into the fold or not. They've also said over, and over, and over again the reason they want their Empire back is to break up the global order we created after WWII.  I like it when my country has more power and influence, rather than less, so I think Russian success is a bad thing.

 

I don't put it past Russia to pick a fight with NATO, because Russia has been saying so repeatedly for months. Since Russia only respects power, we've got to meet threat of force with threat of force. Biden's been really good about actually standing up to Putin and making him put his cards on the table.  He's still a one-term president.

 

Your last point though...I couldn't agree more.  Any real statesman would have seen through Russia's BS and called their bluff years ago. Instead we had three administrations get their lunch money taken by Putin's bluffing because...well who the ***** knows.  

 

 

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