Big Blitz Posted October 23, 2021 Share Posted October 23, 2021 (edited) Moss: Week 1: DNP Week 2: 8 Week 3: 31 Week 4: 0 Week 5: 55 Week 6: 15 Motor: Week 1: 8 Week 2: 9 Week 3: 0 Week 4: 7 Week 5: -2 Week 6: 16 Horrendous. And I don't think it's just bc Josh is wired to take shots downfield. Settling for the 2 FGs in the first quarter against the Titans this just seemed so glaring an issue. We all see what the defenses are doing. 2 deep.....rush only 4 or 3. Make us dink and dunk. This becomes much easier if we have an outlet that's a bit more of a threat out of the backfield. Of course a running game will also address that. Especially in the green zone. I like Motor and Moss. But I also want to win the SB. If we can't utilize RBs in the run game and passing game we aren't helping ourselves - run game been ok...dual threat not remotely. Of all the issues to address (there aren't many) this could be the most fixable. The Patriots had White. The Bucs have Fournette. The Chargers Eckeler. The Browns have Hunt. You want this dimension of your offense to be legit. Ours isn't. I want the O to have this check down threat for Josh. It isn't good enough. In short, go get Miles Sanders. Edited October 23, 2021 by Big Blitz 2 2 2 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
78thealltimegreat Posted October 23, 2021 Share Posted October 23, 2021 23 minutes ago, Big Blitz said: Moss: Week 1: DNP Week 2: 8 Week 3: 31 Week 4: 0 Week 5: 55 Week 6: 15 Motor: Week 1: 8 Week 2: 9 Week 3: 0 Week 4: 7 Week 5: -2 Week 6: 16 Horrendous. And I don't think it's just bc Josh is wired to take shots downfield. Settling for the 2 FGs in the first quarter against the Titans this just seemed so glaring an issue. We all see what the defenses are doing. 2 deep.....rush only 4 or 3. Make us dink and dunk. This becomes much easier if we have an outlet that's a bit more of a threat out of the backfield. Of course a running game will also address that. Especially in the green zone. I like Motor and Moss. But I also want to win the SB. If we can't utilize RBs in the run game and passing game we aren't helping ourselves - run game been ok...dual threat not remotely. Of all the issues to address (there aren't many) this could be the most fixable. The Patriots had White. The Bucs have Fournette. The Chargers Eckeler. The Browns have Hunt. You want this dimension of your offense to be legit. Ours isn't. I want the O to have this check down threat for Josh. It isn't good enough. In short, go get Miles Sanders. Oh I agree …I doubt we get any upgrade now they’ll ride with these guys but if a team like the Jags want to keep stockpiling draft picks go get me James Robinson and I’ll see you in LA at the end of the season since he’s all this offense is missing 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allen2D̶i̶g̶g̶s̶TBD Posted October 23, 2021 Share Posted October 23, 2021 I don't understand why we don't give Bredia some reps on passing downs. Instead of making 3 rb's active we insist on having McKenzie and Kumerow active (Who combined had 5 snaps vs the Titans!) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted October 23, 2021 Share Posted October 23, 2021 Miles Sanders: 20.2 yards/game receiving Zach Moss: 21.8 yards/game receiving 1 3 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blank Stare Posted October 23, 2021 Share Posted October 23, 2021 They make it look really difficult to run a RB screen. I feel like it is rarely successful. Like they’ve never done it before. Seriously, it’s painful to watch. 3 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sherlock Holmes Posted October 23, 2021 Share Posted October 23, 2021 Panthers should be willing to move on from McCaffrey now that he's been injured two years in a row... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Blitz Posted October 23, 2021 Author Share Posted October 23, 2021 22 minutes ago, GoBills808 said: Miles Sanders: 20.2 yards/game receiving Zach Moss: 21.8 yards/game receiving What's Gainwell's? Targets and yards. Different offenses. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thurman#1 Posted October 23, 2021 Share Posted October 23, 2021 3 hours ago, Big Blitz said: Moss: Week 1: DNP Week 2: 8 Week 3: 31 Week 4: 0 Week 5: 55 Week 6: 15 Motor: Week 1: 8 Week 2: 9 Week 3: 0 Week 4: 7 Week 5: -2 Week 6: 16 Horrendous. And I don't think it's just bc Josh is wired to take shots downfield. Settling for the 2 FGs in the first quarter against the Titans this just seemed so glaring an issue. We all see what the defenses are doing. 2 deep.....rush only 4 or 3. Make us dink and dunk. This becomes much easier if we have an outlet that's a bit more of a threat out of the backfield. Of course a running game will also address that. Especially in the green zone. I like Motor and Moss. But I also want to win the SB. If we can't utilize RBs in the run game and passing game we aren't helping ourselves - run game been ok...dual threat not remotely. Of all the issues to address (there aren't many) this could be the most fixable. The Patriots had White. The Bucs have Fournette. The Chargers Eckeler. The Browns have Hunt. You want this dimension of your offense to be legit. Ours isn't. I want the O to have this check down threat for Josh. It isn't good enough. In short, go get Miles Sanders. Yardage totals don't prove that our outlets aren't a threat. All it proves is that we're not throwing to the RBs. Doesn't show why. Maybe Josh just wants to throw to TEs or WRs instead, as a preference. Singletary has only been targeted 18 times. He's been open one whole hell of a lot more than that. Same with Moss who's been targeted 14 times. Again, open much much more often than that. If we get an RB who's a terrific pass catcher, what will likely happen is that we'll have an RB who is a terrific pass catcher not being targeted much. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeGOATski Posted October 23, 2021 Share Posted October 23, 2021 The answer is absolutely Josh Allen, in my opinion. They run the plays that he likes to run and he now has more command of the offense than ever. He's not inclined to dink and dunk. The best players on the offense are the WRs and he wants to give them the ball. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted October 23, 2021 Share Posted October 23, 2021 I mean I love Miles Sanders. I think he would be an exponential upgrade and great in this offense. But I am not throwing more resources after a running back. That is not the missing piece. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoshAllin Posted October 23, 2021 Share Posted October 23, 2021 The rb's always look open to me when watching, josh just doesn't usually go to them which isn't that much of a problem according to the scores Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Brown Posted October 23, 2021 Share Posted October 23, 2021 I think it's really as simple as Josh hates checking down. Wouldn't have it any other way after watching a Bridgewater/Keenum game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EmotionallyUnstable Posted October 23, 2021 Share Posted October 23, 2021 Man, I see where you’re going here. But lest us not forget, the Bills are second in the league with PPG at just under 34. They’re okay. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBillyG Posted October 23, 2021 Share Posted October 23, 2021 9 hours ago, Big Blitz said: Moss: Week 1: DNP Week 2: 8 Week 3: 31 Week 4: 0 Week 5: 55 Week 6: 15 Motor: Week 1: 8 Week 2: 9 Week 3: 0 Week 4: 7 Week 5: -2 Week 6: 16 Horrendous. And I don't think it's just bc Josh is wired to take shots downfield. Settling for the 2 FGs in the first quarter against the Titans this just seemed so glaring an issue. We all see what the defenses are doing. 2 deep.....rush only 4 or 3. Make us dink and dunk. This becomes much easier if we have an outlet that's a bit more of a threat out of the backfield. Of course a running game will also address that. Especially in the green zone. I like Motor and Moss. But I also want to win the SB. If we can't utilize RBs in the run game and passing game we aren't helping ourselves - run game been ok...dual threat not remotely. Of all the issues to address (there aren't many) this could be the most fixable. The Patriots had White. The Bucs have Fournette. The Chargers Eckeler. The Browns have Hunt. You want this dimension of your offense to be legit. Ours isn't. I want the O to have this check down threat for Josh. It isn't good enough. In short, go get Miles Sanders. I love me some Miles Sanders. I do believe he would upgrade the RB room and would love to have him. That said, our offense doesn't believe the RB position exists. We DO have checkdown options (Beasley and Knox fill this role in many plays). We also have a offensive coordinator that hates calling run plays unless it's a QB run. Motor is averaging a sleek 5.2 yards a carry. That's not bad at all. But we go long stretches where it's all pass all the time...except for a few Allen deaigned runs in there. And a lot of the run plays that do happen take place because Allen audibles into them. I would love to have Sanders but I feel like he would be another toy that Daboll wouldn't use. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeltaDigital Posted October 23, 2021 Share Posted October 23, 2021 We're the only team in the league that cant execute a RB screen. It's utterly ridiculous. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Firebaugh Kid Posted October 23, 2021 Share Posted October 23, 2021 I'm sorry this is on 17. One of the reasons we beat KC is because he threw it to Moss a ton. It kept the D honest and moved the chains. Hero ball came back in the 4th qtr against TEN and cost us a chance to ice it. 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apocalypse Nuts Posted October 23, 2021 Share Posted October 23, 2021 Personally, I think the OP has a good point. Josh is always looking to push the ball down field, and I don't mind that at all really. It's really fun to watch. But everyone knows that about him so the defenses are obviously always trying to stop that. One would think that would naturally open up the little dump offs to the RB's a lot more. Would it not make sense to check down more often and use that to try to open up the longer passes? So often it looks like the RB's are open or at least only covered by one guy at the most. Why not hit look downfield then hit the RB right away and have them make a guy miss and try and make a decent play? Isn't that what Brady would do so much with all those pass catching RB's he had in NE? It's probably not natural to Josh given his competitive nature and that Howitzer of a throwing arm he has. But if it could actually help open up the longer plays...... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solomon Grundy Posted October 23, 2021 Share Posted October 23, 2021 9 hours ago, GoBills808 said: Miles Sanders: 20.2 yards/game receiving Zach Moss: 21.8 yards/game receiving The guy in Philly don’t use Miles 1 hour ago, No Place To Hyde said: I love me some Miles Sanders. I do believe he would upgrade the RB room and would love to have him. That said, our offense doesn't believe the RB position exists. We DO have checkdown options (Beasley and Knox fill this role in many plays). We also have a offensive coordinator that hates calling run plays unless it's a QB run. Motor is averaging a sleek 5.2 yards a carry. That's not bad at all. But we go long stretches where it's all pass all the time...except for a few Allen deaigned runs in there. And a lot of the run plays that do happen take place because Allen audibles into them. I would love to have Sanders but I feel like he would be another toy that Daboll wouldn't use. Daboll likes to go back and replicate plays from Bills past a la Pittsburgh game 4th and 1. Why won’t he go back to Kelly era Bills and see how successfully they ran the screen pass with Thurman? Utilized him as a passing threat? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed_Formerly_of_Roch Posted October 23, 2021 Share Posted October 23, 2021 11 hours ago, Big Blitz said: Moss: Week 1: DNP Week 2: 8 Week 3: 31 Week 4: 0 Week 5: 55 Week 6: 15 Motor: Week 1: 8 Week 2: 9 Week 3: 0 Week 4: 7 Week 5: -2 Week 6: 16 Horrendous. And I don't think it's just bc Josh is wired to take shots downfield. Settling for the 2 FGs in the first quarter against the Titans this just seemed so glaring an issue. We all see what the defenses are doing. 2 deep.....rush only 4 or 3. Make us dink and dunk. This becomes much easier if we have an outlet that's a bit more of a threat out of the backfield. Of course a running game will also address that. Especially in the green zone. I like Motor and Moss. But I also want to win the SB. If we can't utilize RBs in the run game and passing game we aren't helping ourselves - run game been ok...dual threat not remotely. Of all the issues to address (there aren't many) this could be the most fixable. The Patriots had White. The Bucs have Fournette. The Chargers Eckeler. The Browns have Hunt. You want this dimension of your offense to be legit. Ours isn't. I want the O to have this check down threat for Josh. It isn't good enough. In short, go get Miles Sanders. When you have 4 WR and TE who can likely gain more yards than the RB, more likely to throw to them. Plus if running 3 WR and one TE on most plays and all going out into passing lanes, someone needs to stay in and block, particularly since O line isn't great. 10 hours ago, Allen2Diggs said: I don't understand why we don't give Bredia some reps on passing downs. Instead of making 3 rb's active we insist on having McKenzie and Kumerow active (Who combined had 5 snaps vs the Titans!) Yeah I agree, was hoping this year when they signed him for his speed, they'd make him active every week and have three RB available. But we're not seeing him in practice either and maybe the player they see doesn't provide very much and if either RB were to get hurt and Breida was active, we'd be worse off. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LOVEMESOMEBILLS Posted October 23, 2021 Share Posted October 23, 2021 1 hour ago, The Firebaugh Kid said: I'm sorry this is on 17. One of the reasons we beat KC is because he threw it to Moss a ton. It kept the D honest and moved the chains. Hero ball came back in the 4th qtr against TEN and cost us a chance to ice it. It's not on 17, as far as the RB targets are concerned, it's on your memory of the 2 games lol. What if I told you Josh threw more passes to the RBs in the Titans game than the KC game. Moss had 4 targets in both games while Singletary had 2 in the KC game and 5 in the Titans game. It's not that Moss had more targets against KC, it's that the plays had a bigger impact & were more successful. I think the success of throwing deep in the KC game might have got into Josh's head a bit, but then again against that Titans secondary it might have been the gameplan to attack them deep. https://www.espn.com/nfl/boxscore/_/gameId/401326408 https://www.espn.com/nfl/boxscore/_/gameId/401326422 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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