Beast Posted October 18, 2021 Share Posted October 18, 2021 https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.saturdaydownsouth.com/nfl/kyler-murray-involved-in-the-nfls-latest-joke-of-a-roughing-the-passer-penalty/amp/ I get wanting to protect QB's but calls like this bring questions to the games integrity, IMO. Any 15 yard plus penalty should be reviewed. Let the ref throw the flag but someone outside of the crew should make the final determination. I hate seeing games get held up any longer than they need to be but is that worse than some of these ticky-tack calls on the QB as well as some PI calls? I'm sure this debate will go on forever but that call yesterday was ridiculous. Imagine that occuring during the last drive of a playoff game? Yikes. 6 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clyde Smith Posted October 18, 2021 Share Posted October 18, 2021 Yes! They should be held accountable as well. 5 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jobot Posted October 18, 2021 Share Posted October 18, 2021 There should be some sort of performance review, no doubt. Apparently these guys average $200k per game. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve O Posted October 18, 2021 Share Posted October 18, 2021 Slippery slope 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
muppy Posted October 18, 2021 Share Posted October 18, 2021 (edited) meh I dunno. A possible fine paid b y whom? If it were paid by the NFL to have their referees bac k then Fine I'd agree with that. But the human error and bias issues aside I think they earn their money and to lose from their check based on arbitrary opinion..? Whose opinion..? **stir that can of worms pot** as if the NFL would agree to that HA! lol Edited October 18, 2021 by Muppy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beast Posted October 18, 2021 Author Share Posted October 18, 2021 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Steve O said: Slippery slope Agreed. I made the topic title and then took the topic in a different direction. It is a slippery slope but that ref should not go unscathed and there should be safety nets in place for when these calls take place. Edited October 18, 2021 by Beast Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brennan Huff Posted October 18, 2021 Share Posted October 18, 2021 Something needs to happen. There should be a point system and games should be reviewed. Some of these calls are just ridiculous 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve O Posted October 18, 2021 Share Posted October 18, 2021 1 minute ago, Jobot said: There should be some sort of performance review, no doubt. Apparently these guys average $200k per game. 200K/yr, not game (actually 205 K per year, read it on the world wide web so it has to be true) 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted October 18, 2021 Share Posted October 18, 2021 No, suspensions don't make any sense for refs. They are humans making judgement calls. The rules are ambiguous enough to make some of these things hard to officiate. I think they do a better job than most think. But as long as we have humans as refs, there are going to be elements of missed and poor calls in the game. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blainorama5 Posted October 18, 2021 Share Posted October 18, 2021 Logical me: No. Emotional me: Absolutely Yes!! 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thenorthremembers Posted October 18, 2021 Share Posted October 18, 2021 Same crew who did the Bills vs Chiefs. Absolutely terrible group. 1 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted October 18, 2021 Share Posted October 18, 2021 I think for judgement calls...no. But not understanding a rule and getting it wrong...yes. I really think every game should have an official upstairs to who can watch the play on the telecast and step in. This New York review team doesn't seem to work. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bookie Man Posted October 18, 2021 Share Posted October 18, 2021 100% yes. Phantom holds and ticky tack calls should score them negatively. And just dumb flags, like the ref who tried to call a crack back block on Gesicki, when Gesicki didn't touch him, wasn't even facing him (was decided there was no penalty). Calls like those should definitely have some kind of effect. This way, less flags will be thrown and everyone will be happier. NFL is too stupid to figure this out though. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted October 18, 2021 Share Posted October 18, 2021 On the particular call in question, if Murray would have fallen down (flopped to get a call like a lot of players do, including Josh Allen) it would have looked like a pretty legit roughing the passer. Murray released the ball, the defender took multiple steps toward him and gave him a shove. Definately a weak call, but defenders should know not to do that. If they see a ball released, they should be doing everything in their power to avoid contact because that's the way the game is played now and you don't want to hurt your team with a penalty. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pigpen65 Posted October 18, 2021 Share Posted October 18, 2021 Refs are overly involved by design. Rules are left ambiguous by design. It's not a coincidence how many primetime games end up being decided by last second field goals or go into OT. The NFL classifies itself as an entertainment entity, the same as the WWE does. The refs are doing what the leagues wants the refs to do which is to manage the games. The Chiefs / Bills would have been a blowout by the middle of the 2nd quarter had the refs not managed it. Anybody deluding themselves into thinking any of this is isn't by design is a fool. 1 1 3 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
muppy Posted October 18, 2021 Share Posted October 18, 2021 1 minute ago, pigpen65 said: Refs are overly involved by design. Rules are left ambiguous by design. It's not a coincidence how many primetime games end up being decided by last second field goals or go into OT. The NFL classifies itself as an entertainment entity, the same as the WWE does. The refs are doing what the leagues wants the refs to do which is to manage the games. The Chiefs / Bills would have been a blowout by the middle of the 2nd quarter had the refs not managed it. Anybody deluding themselves into thinking any of this is isn't by design is a fool. now you've stepped in it pigpen65 That's quite a statement I cringed that was my honest reaction **cringe**** 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beast Posted October 18, 2021 Author Share Posted October 18, 2021 (edited) 5 minutes ago, MJS said: On the particular call in question, if Murray would have fallen down (flopped to get a call like a lot of players do, including Josh Allen) it would have looked like a pretty legit roughing the passer. Murray released the ball, the defender took multiple steps toward him and gave him a shove. Definately a weak call, but defenders should know not to do that. If they see a ball released, they should be doing everything in their power to avoid contact because that's the way the game is played now and you don't want to hurt your team with a penalty. It was one of the worst calls I've witnessed concerning roughing the QB. It shouldn't even be debatable how bad the call was. Edited October 18, 2021 by Beast 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cage Posted October 18, 2021 Share Posted October 18, 2021 (edited) I'm not sure how any system would handle the sequence from last week's Chiefs game where there was a phantom hold on Morse wiping out Allen's run for first down, giving us instead 3rd and 17 from our own 8. Then the make-up call of phantom RTP on Clark wiping out an Allen INT to essentially give use the first down anyway. While the end result was a wash, nobody had to feel good about the sequence. If Allen had held the ball a moment longer, Clark would have had a clean sack, which really would have screwed the Bills on the original mis-call. Edited October 18, 2021 by cage 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jauronimo Posted October 18, 2021 Share Posted October 18, 2021 Refs are evaluated and graded every week by the NFL head office. Crews with the best scores go on to get the biggest games. Crews with poor performance do not see the post season or Super Bowl. 1 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Virgil Posted October 18, 2021 Share Posted October 18, 2021 Like any job, there should absolutely be an an evaluation process. There shouldn’t be a one and done, but feedback, tracking, and appropriate escalations 2 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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