BillsShredder83 Posted October 18, 2021 Share Posted October 18, 2021 On 10/16/2021 at 8:09 PM, BearNorth said: Knowing McDermott's attention to detail, wondering if his place kick holding was why Bojo is now with his third team. Sure's he not happy about the game-changing punt block against the Steelers, but Bojo's holding adventures aren't new. Honestly I have no doubt this is the reason they didn't pony up an offer a couple 100k higher. Haacks not the answer but that's a fairly offseason fix or hell, after the way Bass worked out, take a stud punter late!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sherlock Holmes Posted October 18, 2021 Share Posted October 18, 2021 4 hours ago, BillsShredder83 said: Honestly I have no doubt this is the reason they didn't pony up an offer a couple 100k higher. Haacks not the answer but that's a fairly offseason fix or hell, after the way Bass worked out, take a stud punter late!!! Or get Anger! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMF2006 Posted October 18, 2021 Share Posted October 18, 2021 On 10/16/2021 at 9:23 PM, Wnybricky said: We need a new punter too. I expect one in the draft Hopefully a real good one will be there in Rnd 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted October 18, 2021 Share Posted October 18, 2021 On 10/16/2021 at 8:57 PM, Sheneneh Jenkins said: Does every team use the Punter now? I can't think of any team that uses QB2 for that anymore. But don't know for sure, honestly something I haven't really paid much attention to pretty much since the kicker, punter, and Long snapper all hang out together. I could see teams doing it with a core special teamer too, but most of those guys play other positions. Like i don't want neal to lose reps on defense so we can have him holding FGs for the one time we run a fake or something. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhoTom Posted October 18, 2021 Share Posted October 18, 2021 Bojo may be a lousy holder, but GB's long-snapper didn't do the team any favors yesterday. In addition to two bad snaps on place kicks, he had a really low snap on a punt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted October 18, 2021 Share Posted October 18, 2021 4 hours ago, dneveu said: pretty much since the kicker, punter, and Long snapper all hang out together. I could see teams doing it with a core special teamer too, but most of those guys play other positions. Like i don't want neal to lose reps on defense so we can have him holding FGs for the one time we run a fake or something. One strategy is to have another guy who can throw some in on the ST unit, like we did to the Pats with Jaquon Johnson last season. Johnson is a backup Safety and takes most of his snaps on ST each week as the "Personal Protector". Something the Bills seem to do well is methodically assess the abilities of each player to make other plays (pass, catch, kick). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted October 18, 2021 Share Posted October 18, 2021 Just now, Hapless Bills Fan said: One strategy is to have another guy who can throw some in on the ST unit, like we did to the Pats with Jaquon Johnson last season. Johnson is a backup Safety and takes most of his snaps on ST each week as the "Personal Protector". Something the Bills seem to do well is methodically assess the abilities of each player to make other plays (pass, catch, kick). i feel like thats good for fake punts, or even like pooch kicks or something. How often do you even run a fake FG though? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted October 18, 2021 Share Posted October 18, 2021 22 hours ago, Mr. WEO said: He had one season over 80%. He came out after a Senior season of barely over 70%. As I documented, no problems with Bojo holding after the first month or so of his 2020 season. You can't (so you didn't) dispute this. Crosby/Bojo missed zero Pat/FG until las week. Zero. Then, in one game, Crosby was missing chip shots. He was a mess. Made all 4 kicks today. You ignore all of the success of 2 kickers between early last year and up to last week and conclude Bojo is a problem--because Bass/Bojo struggled over year ago for a bit. That's an impossible argument to convincingly make. How do we know "for sure" one of the many misses was on Bojo? The OP's article cites struggles of the LS....and notes that Bojo got the laces out ("late", but out). If you want modify your argument to "Bojo had maybe one (maybe even 2) bad holds since week 6 of 2020", then go right ahead. Bass had a 78.9% percentage his first season kicking, then went to 90% and then dropped to 71% his senior season. Obviously the Bills saw a reason for that drop as something they could correct since they spent a draft pick on him and he's kicking well with the Bills. You saw the 71% and wrote him off. As for Bojo, the guy is inconsistent in punting and had that inexplicable fake FG play, and we know his holds haven't all been good. To ascribe the kicking issues to him isn't far-fetched at all. Maybe he's thinking too much of Cali or his GF... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted October 18, 2021 Share Posted October 18, 2021 2 hours ago, Doc said: Bass had a 78.9% percentage his first season kicking, then went to 90% and then dropped to 71% his senior season. Obviously the Bills saw a reason for that drop as something they could correct since they spent a draft pick on him and he's kicking well with the Bills. You saw the 71% and wrote him off. As for Bojo, the guy is inconsistent in punting and had that inexplicable fake FG play, and we know his holds haven't all been good. To ascribe the kicking issues to him isn't far-fetched at all. Maybe he's thinking too much of Cali or his GF... You've provided nothing to back this statement up. He had a few issues over a year ago. Which holder's holds have "all been good"? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
klos63 Posted October 18, 2021 Share Posted October 18, 2021 82 yard punt yesterday. For the season 6 inside the 20, 18 punts overall, 1 touchback, net 42.7 average. Having a solid year punting. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted October 19, 2021 Share Posted October 19, 2021 2 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said: You've provided nothing to back this statement up. He had a few issues over a year ago. Which holder's holds have "all been good"? I couldn't tell you because I rarely pay attention to them in general. They're only noteworthy when a snap gets botched. But in general, I think they do a consistently good job. Again Jay Feely analyzed Bass' first few misses from last year and said it was a ball orientation issue, which was never an issue with Ferguson in the prior 4 seasons with the Bills...and obviously wasn't on Bass. Maybe Feely or someone else will analyze what happened in that Packers game, I don't know? But in any case, it's too much talk about a punter. We have a new one and Bass is showing that his senior season was the exception. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan4 Posted March 29, 2022 Share Posted March 29, 2022 (edited) Quote Instead of re-signing punter Corey Bojorquez, the Packers added longtime former Bears punter Pat O’Donnell. How O’Donnell punts may not have even been the biggest factor in signing him. “Certainly his consistency, not only as a punter but as a holder,” Gutekunst said of what made O’Donnell appealing. https://theathletic.com/3214690/2022/03/28/packers-gm-brian-gutekunst-explains-davante-adams-trade-more-from-nfl-owners-meetings/ Sounds like the Packers also moved on from Bojo in part because of his holding (in)ability too. Seems to be a common thing with him. Wonder why he struggles so much to hold kicks. Made me think of this scene: Not exactly sure why 😂 Edited March 29, 2022 by BillsFan4 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rochesterfan Posted March 29, 2022 Share Posted March 29, 2022 2 minutes ago, BillsFan4 said: https://theathletic.com/3214690/2022/03/28/packers-gm-brian-gutekunst-explains-davante-adams-trade-more-from-nfl-owners-meetings/ Sounds like the Packers also moved on from Bojo in part because of his holding (in)ability too. Seems to be a common thing with him. Wonder why he struggles so much to hold kicks. Some people will still argue it was a mistake to move on, but holding for XP and FG leads to more points than his punting did. Huge impact on kicking game and it hurt GB most of the year. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridgewaycynic2013 Posted March 29, 2022 Share Posted March 29, 2022 "First Buffalo...then Green Bay...all because I mentioned 'left footed' spins. Heh heh heh." 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted March 29, 2022 Share Posted March 29, 2022 12 minutes ago, BillsFan4 said: https://theathletic.com/3214690/2022/03/28/packers-gm-brian-gutekunst-explains-davante-adams-trade-more-from-nfl-owners-meetings/ Sounds like the Packers also moved on from Bojo in part because of his holding (in)ability too. Seems to be a common thing with him. Wonder why he struggles so much to hold kicks. Eating too much Bojangles chicken makes your fingers greasy. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted March 29, 2022 Share Posted March 29, 2022 26 minutes ago, Ridgewaycynic2013 said: "First Buffalo...then Green Bay...all because I mentioned 'left footed' spins. Heh heh heh." I know Bailey was all-pro in 2020-2021... but they had 3 punts blocked in 2021-2022. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheyCallMeAndy Posted March 29, 2022 Share Posted March 29, 2022 On 10/16/2021 at 8:30 PM, DJB said: Bojo's weekly game results 1. Bomb a 65 yard punt 2. Mess up the hold and K misses FG 3. Shank a 15 yard punt. Repeat process. Gone are the days of Brian Moorman 1. Bomb a 80 yard punt 2. Run for 20 on 4th and short 3. Throw a TD 1 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KingBoots8 Posted March 29, 2022 Share Posted March 29, 2022 10 minutes ago, TheyCallMeAndy said: Gone are the days of Brian Moorman 1. Bomb a 80 yard punt 2. Run for 20 on 4th and short 3. Throw a TD Moorman just doing his best Thanos impression. ”Fine, I’ll do it myself!” 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheyCallMeAndy Posted March 29, 2022 Share Posted March 29, 2022 3 minutes ago, KingBoots8 said: Moorman just doing his best Thanos impression. ”Fine, I’ll do it myself!” There’s no heart emoji Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted March 29, 2022 Share Posted March 29, 2022 3 hours ago, BillsFan4 said: https://theathletic.com/3214690/2022/03/28/packers-gm-brian-gutekunst-explains-davante-adams-trade-more-from-nfl-owners-meetings/ Sounds like the Packers also moved on from Bojo in part because of his holding (in)ability too. Seems to be a common thing with him. Wonder why he struggles so much to hold kicks. Made me think of this scene: Not exactly sure why 😂 Funny, it's as if some of us have been saying this for a year now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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