Rochesterfan Posted October 17, 2021 Share Posted October 17, 2021 1 minute ago, Ed_Formerly_of_Roch said: I've said that for awhile, think that had a lot to do with it. As potent as Bills offense was/is missing a FG is probably more important than punting 5 to 10 yards less. I do think next year they will draft a punter. I think the change from BoJo was needed. The new punter has a 3 year contract - I don’t think they will move on after this year. I would suspect they are happy with holds - it was stated before he is a significant upgrade at holder. His punting has been inconsistent, but other than the missed blocked by the frontlines that caused a block - he has been fine. I suspect we have our punter in place for the next couple of years and that will allow the punter, kicker, and LS to all be together for a minimum of 3 years. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rochesterfan Posted October 17, 2021 Share Posted October 17, 2021 4 minutes ago, Sheneneh Jenkins said: Well I wouldn't say all due to Bojo. I mean he was a rookie and rookie kickers can start out slow. But yeah the times it was a bad hold certainly didn't help. At minimum 4 of his 6 missed kicks last year the laces were not spun properly that we saw. It was even talked about by I believe Jay Feely on a broadcast - where he said how unsettling it was when your foot hits the laces and creates a knuckle ball effect. The 2nd and 3rd missed kick by Crosby - the laces were not spun fully out - both were on the left side and the ball stayed left. After the one miss - Crosby was glaring at BoJo. I think BoJo struggles holding and it will cost you kicker multiple missed kicks on the year. He is a bit slow and he is inconsistent with the placement and angle and worst of all - he struggles spinning the laces consistently. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miyagi-Do Karate Posted October 17, 2021 Author Share Posted October 17, 2021 1 hour ago, The Wiz said: Wasn't there video of Crosby chewing him out like crazy after his 3rd missed kick? I know they even mentioned it on the broadcast. Oh man— I missed that! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sherlock Holmes Posted October 17, 2021 Share Posted October 17, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, letsgoteam said: Is he the worse holder in recent history? Edit: worse holder in all of modern NFL He's the Nathan Peterman of holding...heck even Peterman could probably hold better. Also ***** Bojo, he cost me $100 on a 4 game parlay.🤮 Hold on, I better let my guy know we gotta switch whose lawn to pull a McLovin on... Edited October 17, 2021 by Sherlock Holmes 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mango Posted October 17, 2021 Share Posted October 17, 2021 I find this really frustrating for different reasons. Bojo>Haack and it doesn’t seem close. Why can’t Bojo figure this out…or anybody else? I hate that we have sign a lesser punter because of holding for the place holder. Makes me really angry at Bojo and the coaching staff. Like this had to be either teachable and/or replaceable with anybody else on the roster. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miyagi-Do Karate Posted October 17, 2021 Author Share Posted October 17, 2021 They are showing the GB/CIN game on NFLN right now— am DVRing it now to take a closer look. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patrick Duffy Posted October 17, 2021 Share Posted October 17, 2021 (edited) 39 minutes ago, Rochesterfan said: At minimum 4 of his 6 missed kicks last year the laces were not spun properly that we saw. It was even talked about by I believe Jay Feely on a broadcast - where he said how unsettling it was when your foot hits the laces and creates a knuckle ball effect. The 2nd and 3rd missed kick by Crosby - the laces were not spun fully out - both were on the left side and the ball stayed left. After the one miss - Crosby was glaring at BoJo. I think BoJo struggles holding and it will cost you kicker multiple missed kicks on the year. He is a bit slow and he is inconsistent with the placement and angle and worst of all - he struggles spinning the laces consistently. Oh I agree for sure. Although I don't remember exactly how many times Bojo didn't hold correctly, but I do recall seeing a few times it was a bad ball placement hold. However, I also remember Bass (early in the season) missed a couple that were good holds....which was expected with a rookie kicker. All I'm saying is every single miss wasn't all on Bojo. Some were for sure, but not every single one. Edited October 17, 2021 by Sheneneh Jenkins Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miyagi-Do Karate Posted October 17, 2021 Author Share Posted October 17, 2021 49 minutes ago, Mango said: I find this really frustrating for different reasons. Bojo>Haack and it doesn’t seem close. Why can’t Bojo figure this out…or anybody else? I hate that we have sign a lesser punter because of holding for the place holder. Makes me really angry at Bojo and the coaching staff. Like this had to be either teachable and/or replaceable with anybody else on the roster. I have really never heard of anyone being a bad holder. You would think it is a skill that can be learned/honed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed_Formerly_of_Roch Posted October 17, 2021 Share Posted October 17, 2021 54 minutes ago, Rochesterfan said: I think the change from BoJo was needed. The new punter has a 3 year contract - I don’t think they will move on after this year. I would suspect they are happy with holds - it was stated before he is a significant upgrade at holder. His punting has been inconsistent, but other than the missed blocked by the frontlines that caused a block - he has been fine. I suspect we have our punter in place for the next couple of years and that will allow the punter, kicker, and LS to all be together for a minimum of 3 years. So two years left after this year. They moved on from their kicker Hauschka with one year remaining, so only difference is one more year left. Agree they are happy with holding, but not to say they can't find a college punter who also held for 2 to 3 years and was very good at it. And I do think holding was a big reason Bojo was let go. Two years left on a punters contract isn't exactly going to break the bank like it would on a position player. Many were thinking Star L will get let go after this season, admittedly based on recent play, may not happen. But my point is that was much more money think it's around $5.1 mil. Believe Haacks hit is $700k. If fans were assuming the Bills were ready to take a $5 mil cap hit, can't believe they'd worry much about $700k. If he starts punting a little better, he may be fine, but wouldn't shock me to see them draft a punter and see how he looks in camp, just like they did with Bass. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobby Hooks Posted October 17, 2021 Share Posted October 17, 2021 (edited) 43 minutes ago, Sheneneh Jenkins said: Oh I agree for sure. Although I don't remember exactly how many times Bojo didn't hold correctly, but I do recall seeing a few times it was a bad ball placement hold. However, I also remember Bass (early in the season) missed a couple that were good holds....which was expected with a rookie kicker. All I'm saying is every single miss wasn't all on Bojo. Some were for sure, but not every single one. Yeah, I wasn’t saying every one was on Bojo, I could see how my original post may have made it seem that way but those early kicks are huge for a rookie kicker trying to get into his groove. Much like a young qb having his confidence rattled early on, it’s sometimes hard to overcome. I’m glad Bass was able to remain composed and overcome it but like you said rookie kickers typically have a rough go of it early on. It makes it that much worse when your placeholder is responsible for multiple missed kicks. If your confidence takes a hit because you miss a few kicks, so be it. But for your placeholder to be responsible for some is almost criminal. Doesn’t seem like something that should be happening to an nfl player. Edited October 17, 2021 by Bobby Hooks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rochesterfan Posted October 17, 2021 Share Posted October 17, 2021 19 minutes ago, Ed_Formerly_of_Roch said: So two years left after this year. They moved on from their kicker Hauschka with one year remaining, so only difference is one more year left. Agree they are happy with holding, but not to say they can't find a college punter who also held for 2 to 3 years and was very good at it. And I do think holding was a big reason Bojo was let go. Two years left on a punters contract isn't exactly going to break the bank like it would on a position player. Many were thinking Star L will get let go after this season, admittedly based on recent play, may not happen. But my point is that was much more money think it's around $5.1 mil. Believe Haacks hit is $700k. If fans were assuming the Bills were ready to take a $5 mil cap hit, can't believe they'd worry much about $700k. If he starts punting a little better, he may be fine, but wouldn't shock me to see them draft a punter and see how he looks in camp, just like they did with Bass. All is certainly true - the difference is expected positional spend. Most teams don’t want to spend more than 1 million to 1.15 million on a punter. If you cut him - and sign even a draft pick - you are over budget. Most people didn’t think they would cut Star this year because his cost combined with a replacement cost would’ve exceeded typical position spend. Most people assumed this would be his last year as his dead hit is small enough when combined with a replacement to fit typical budget for that position. They might sign a punter - you are correct, but I just think they are fine with his play and they are much less concerned than some fans. I think they also really like the way the 3 specialists (punter, kicker, and LS) get along and work together. I don’t think they will mess with that as it is important to this staff. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malazan Posted October 17, 2021 Share Posted October 17, 2021 2 hours ago, Sheneneh Jenkins said: Ok, well that's understandable. To your trick play comment, just wanted to point out that when opposing teams see the QB2 come out for holding duties instead of the usual punter, I imagine that would alert them to be ready for a trick play. So not sure it would be very successful. Unless for some reason opposing team wouldn't notice a different holder, but I doubt that would happen often, if at all. I mean, they'd hold it every time regardless of it being a trick play or not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patrick Duffy Posted October 17, 2021 Share Posted October 17, 2021 2 minutes ago, Malazan said: I mean, they'd hold it every time regardless of it being a trick play or not. Ah ok. You meant the QB2 would only and always be the holder. Thought you meant the QB2 taking the Punters place as holder for a certain FG Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay_Fixit Posted October 17, 2021 Share Posted October 17, 2021 2 hours ago, Bobby Hooks said: Bass is showing now his early misses we’re definitely due to Bojo. That dude could’ve singlehandedly ruined the confidence of the Bills best kicker to come around in a very long time. I love how you use nicknames for players. Bojo. cuuuuute. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patrick Duffy Posted October 17, 2021 Share Posted October 17, 2021 3 minutes ago, Jay_Fixit said: I love how you use nicknames for players. Bojo. cuuuuute. I thought pretty much everyone calls him that myself.... 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ticketssince61 Posted October 17, 2021 Share Posted October 17, 2021 3 hours ago, Sheneneh Jenkins said: Does every team use the Punter now? I can't think of any team that uses QB2 for that anymore. But don't know for sure, honestly something I haven't really paid much attention to I think there was a post a few weeks ago which listed a whole explanation by Belichick on why back up QB's are not used anymore. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobby Hooks Posted October 17, 2021 Share Posted October 17, 2021 21 minutes ago, Jay_Fixit said: I love how you use nicknames for players. Bojo. cuuuuute. You going to catch a game with me or what? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patrick Duffy Posted October 17, 2021 Share Posted October 17, 2021 6 minutes ago, ticketssince61 said: I think there was a post a few weeks ago which listed a whole explanation by Belichick on why back up QB's are not used anymore. Yeah thanks. I was already informed up thread. But I'm saying though.....was that just Belichick saying why "he" doesn't use them anymore? Or was he talking about all teams don't use them? Anyway, I guess I could look it up if I wanted, but in any event it's just not important enough for me to waste any time on it. Was just slightly curious lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted October 17, 2021 Share Posted October 17, 2021 4 hours ago, Sheneneh Jenkins said: Does every team use the Punter now? I can't think of any team that uses QB2 for that anymore. But don't know for sure, honestly something I haven't really paid much attention to Pretty much. It enables the kicker, holder, and long snapper to be their own unit and do their own thing during practice, which is an operational advantage over needing to coordinate with the backup QB who is running the scout team and perhaps taking a few snaps with the 1's. I think that's the primary reason most teams have changed 1 hour ago, Jay_Fixit said: I love how you use nicknames for players. Bojo. cuuuuute. Your....kink is OK? Using nicknames for players is pretty common here and Bojo was almost universal, due to the difficulty some have with spelling Bojorquez. If that sparks love in ya, better pace yourself... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patrick Duffy Posted October 17, 2021 Share Posted October 17, 2021 4 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: Your....kink is OK? Using nicknames for players is pretty common here and Bojo was almost universal, due to the difficulty some have with spelling Bojorquez. If that sparks love in ya, better pace yourself... Yeah that's what I understood. I believe every single poster on this board that has ever posted anything at all in regards to him that it was/is Bojo. Has been since like day one lol. Maybe he was just being sarcastic with that particular poster and went over our heads lol. Idk 8 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: Pretty much. It enables the kicker, holder, and long snapper to be their own unit and do their own thing during practice, which is an operational advantage over needing to coordinate with the backup QB who is running the scout team and perhaps taking a few snaps with the 1's. I think that's the primary reason most teams have changed Yeah I get the reasoning and all. Hell, I don't even know when the last time a QB2 was actually the full time holder for the Kicker honestly. Want to say AVP was holder if not mistaken. Could easily be wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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