CSBill Posted October 18, 2021 Share Posted October 18, 2021 48 minutes ago, SMAKCruiser said: The thread is about starters. Billy Joe Hobert never started a game for the Bills. So I've heard. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMF2006 Posted October 18, 2021 Share Posted October 18, 2021 They were all RANK until we got to Josh On 10/16/2021 at 3:30 PM, mushypeaches said: I don't care what anybody says - watching the gutless wonder, Captain Checkdown, Trent Edwards was a soul-sucking experience. He may not have the worst record of the bunch, but he was truly the freaking worst Some guys just have a higher level of self preservation Just hope you never have to share a foxhole with them Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hondo in seattle Posted October 18, 2021 Share Posted October 18, 2021 On 10/16/2021 at 12:00 PM, JohnNord said: Something fun going around Twitter. Based on the list below rank the Bills starting QB’s since Jim Kelly retired. After Josh it’s a crap shoot and then the next five it gets really interesting. Here’s mine: Josh Allen Drew Bledsoe Kyle Orton Doug Flutie Tyrod Taylor Ryan Fitzpatrick Rob Johnson Kelly Holcomb EJ Manuel Trent Edwards J.P. Losman Todd Collins Matt Barkley Alex Van Pelt Matt Cassel Derek Anderson Thad Lewis Jeff Tuel Nathan Peterman Brian Brohm I don't drink. But after reading this list, I poured myself a big glass of bourbon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GerstAusGosheim Posted October 18, 2021 Share Posted October 18, 2021 Josh Allen Doug Flutie Drew Bledsoe Ryan Fitzpatrick Tyrod Taylor . . . . . . . Nathan Peterman Rob "I got hit by a snowflake and broke my rib and now it hurts to poop" Johnson Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BFLO Posted October 18, 2021 Share Posted October 18, 2021 I think EJ gets a bad rap for being over drafted. If he had been drafted in the 3rd round as a developmental Qb like he was graded and then thrust into the starting job as a rookie due to injuries to the real starting QB we would have thought he did pretty good. EJ has most of the Bills Franchise records for rookie QBs passing stats and he played 2 fewer games than Josh in their respective rookie seasons. If EJ had been drafted and developed by McDermott and Daboll his career could have turned out very differently. Instead, Nix reached and took him 2 rounds early in the 1st and EJ got thrown to the wolves with little support from the franchise with a head coaching change 2 years in. Marrone -> Rex. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DasNootz Posted October 18, 2021 Share Posted October 18, 2021 (edited) Josh Allen Ryan Fitzpatrick Drew Bledsoe Tyrod Taylor Doug Flutie Kyle Orton J.P. Losman Rob Johnson Trent Edwards EJ Manuel Kelly Holcomb Todd Collins Derek Anderson Matt Barkley Alex Van Pelt Matt Cassel Thad Lewis Jeff Tuel Nathan Peterman Brian Brohm Edited October 18, 2021 by DasNootz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manther Posted October 18, 2021 Share Posted October 18, 2021 On 10/16/2021 at 1:48 PM, BuffaloBillies said: Top Tier (star): Josh Allen Middle Tier (Serviceable): Doug Flutie Drew Bledsoe Kyle Orton Tyrod Taylor Ryan Fitzpatrick Bottom Tier (Mostly Bums - this list makes me cry a little): Rob Johnson Kelly Holcomb EJ Manuel Trent Edwards J.P. Losman Todd Collins Matt Barkley Alex Van Pelt Matt Cassel Derek Anderson Thad Lewis Jeff Tuel Nathan Peterman Brian Brohm I like the way you grouped them in tiers. And, agree with your placement of QBs in the tiers. Some juggling in the tiers, but, I like it. Most of the juggling in the tiers is the 3rd tier. I would move Peterman down to last. I would move up... Derek Anderson, Alex Van Pelt, JP Losman. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mat68 Posted October 18, 2021 Share Posted October 18, 2021 2 hours ago, BFLO said: I think EJ gets a bad rap for being over drafted. If he had been drafted in the 3rd round as a developmental Qb like he was graded and then thrust into the starting job as a rookie due to injuries to the real starting QB we would have thought he did pretty good. EJ has most of the Bills Franchise records for rookie QBs passing stats and he played 2 fewer games than Josh in their respective rookie seasons. If EJ had been drafted and developed by McDermott and Daboll his career could have turned out very differently. Instead, Nix reached and took him 2 rounds early in the 1st and EJ got thrown to the wolves with little support from the franchise with a head coaching change 2 years in. Marrone -> Rex. He was too inconsistent a passer. Back to his college days. The Qb before him and after him had more success at FSU. He was super athletic but not a natural thrower. He was similar to Bortles in that way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thenorthremembers Posted October 18, 2021 Share Posted October 18, 2021 In terms of what they accomplished while they were here. Bledsoe had some nice throwing stats while he was here, but 140 sacks in three seasons was atrocious to watch. Love Fitz but he got too much time for what he was able to put on the field. With the crap the Bills put on the field during the drought, feel like Holcomb and Thad Lewis deserved more of a shot at it. Anybody Barkley and below set Quarterbacking into the past 50 years during their time here. Josh Allen Doug Flutie Tyrod Taylor Kyle Orton Drew Bledsoe Ryan Fitzpatrick Rob Johnson EJ Manuel Thad Lewis Kelly Holcomb Matt Barkley Trent Edwards J.P. Losman Todd Collins Jeff Tuel Derek Anderson Alex Van Pelt Nathan Peterman Brian Brohm Matt Cassel Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tylerbillsfan33 Posted October 18, 2021 Share Posted October 18, 2021 On 10/16/2021 at 12:08 PM, RobbRiddick said: I don't disagree too much with your list, but I'd put Flutie above Bledsoe and Losman above Manuel. Flutie got us to the playoffs a couple of times and if he'd played in the music city miracle game I think we would have won. Losman gets a lot of abuse, and most of it is warranted, but I've always had a soft spot for him. His deep passes were something else, just the rest of his game that sucked. EJ on the other hand was just a nothing QB to me. Never did anything exciting and never did anything particularly well, at least from my memory. Tyrod probably deserves to be higher simply because he helped end the drought, which I'll always be grateful for. The Bills lost that wildcard playoff game to the Titans after the 1999 season on the Music City Miracle because the Bills didn’t cover the kick. Steve Christie sent a midrange kick instead of kicking the ball deep. Lorenzo Neal fielded the kick and handed the ball to Frank Wycheck who took ten Bills with him. That caused the Bills kickoff coverage to break down. Frank Wycheck then lateraled to Kevin Dyson who scored the game winning touchdown on a play known as Home Run Throwback. The call was upheld after review and the Titans won 22-16. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigDingus Posted October 18, 2021 Share Posted October 18, 2021 1. Josh Allen 2. Doug Flutie 3. Drew Bledsoe 4. Kyle Orton 5. Tyrod Taylor 6. Ryan Fitzpatrick The rest don't even register. Honorable mention to Barkley for that Jets blowout after coming off the streets & giving us an exciting game in the midst of a disaster season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dpberr Posted October 18, 2021 Share Posted October 18, 2021 Honest question - why do some of you rank Kyle Orton highly? I personally wouldn't, but I'm interested in hearing a different viewpoint. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rico Posted October 18, 2021 Share Posted October 18, 2021 21 minutes ago, dpberr said: Honest question - why do some of you rank Kyle Orton highly? I personally wouldn't, but I'm interested in hearing a different viewpoint. 1. He went to QB U. 2. Regardless of the play where he slid early, he looked the part…. and that was only 1 play. You’ve got people excusing 2.5 years of Bledsoe disaster for the 1st 8 games of 2002. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HalftimeAdjustment Posted October 18, 2021 Share Posted October 18, 2021 34 minutes ago, dpberr said: Honest question - why do some of you rank Kyle Orton highly? I personally wouldn't, but I'm interested in hearing a different viewpoint. 12 games, 64.2% comp pct, 3,018 yds (in 12 games), 18 TD/10 INT. Those are respectable, not great, numbers in 2014. The team finished 9-7, the first winning record in 10 years. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kyle_Orton#Buffalo_Bills_records 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnNord Posted October 18, 2021 Author Share Posted October 18, 2021 6 hours ago, BFLO said: I think EJ gets a bad rap for being over drafted. If he had been drafted in the 3rd round as a developmental Qb like he was graded and then thrust into the starting job as a rookie due to injuries to the real starting QB we would have thought he did pretty good. EJ has most of the Bills Franchise records for rookie QBs passing stats and he played 2 fewer games than Josh in their respective rookie seasons. If EJ had been drafted and developed by McDermott and Daboll his career could have turned out very differently. Instead, Nix reached and took him 2 rounds early in the 1st and EJ got thrown to the wolves with little support from the franchise with a head coaching change 2 years in. Marrone -> Rex. I don’t buy that McDermott and Daboll could’ve fixed EJ. I think they could’ve put him in a better position to succeed - where they didn’t need to rely on him to win games - but at the end of the day EJ couldn’t read defenses. He also had some struggled with self-confidence which is not ideal for a “franchise” QB. I agree that he never should’ve been a 1st round QB, but he was, and you can’t grade on a curve. Ultimately he could’ve been a decent QB - there’s no way that he should’ve been a team’s savior. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnNord Posted October 18, 2021 Author Share Posted October 18, 2021 31 minutes ago, HalftimeAdjustment said: 12 games, 64.2% comp pct, 3,018 yds (in 12 games), 18 TD/10 INT. Those are respectable, not great, numbers in 2014. The team finished 9-7, the first winning record in 10 years. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kyle_Orton#Buffalo_Bills_records Keep in mind that EJ started the first 4 games of 2014. Orton was 7-5 and really should’ve been 8-4, had the defense have been able to handle a 2-12 football team. He could push the ball downfield and made less mistakes than Fitzpatrick. No doubt the bar was set low, but Orton was probably the best QB since Drew Bledsoe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobbRiddick Posted October 18, 2021 Share Posted October 18, 2021 3 hours ago, tylerbillsfan33 said: The Bills lost that wildcard playoff game to the Titans after the 1999 season on the Music City Miracle because the Bills didn’t cover the kick. Steve Christie sent a midrange kick instead of kicking the ball deep. Lorenzo Neal fielded the kick and handed the ball to Frank Wycheck who took ten Bills with him. That caused the Bills kickoff coverage to break down. Frank Wycheck then lateraled to Kevin Dyson who scored the game winning touchdown on a play known as Home Run Throwback. The call was upheld after review and the Titans won 22-16. I know exactly what happened, I watched it happen. I mean if Flutie had started I don't believe it ever would have come down to that kick. We had a great D that year and I think Flutie would have helped generate more than 16 points. I give Johnson credit for leading that final drive, even losing his shoe in the process, but he never inspired the offense around him like Flutie did Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheFunPolice Posted October 18, 2021 Share Posted October 18, 2021 My list is pretty much the same as most posted, but my "could've been a contender" pick is Losman. Tons of talent, but a bit immature and frankly weird when he came here. Unfortunately, the coaching and the culture was poor, and instead of competent mentors with a plan it was the last disasterous year of Mike Mularkey, a guy who quit his job at the end of the year, and Dick Jauron, who is a pretty decent defensive coordinator who has no business running an entire team. He was completing 62-63% of his passes over the 2 years when he saw real playing time. For a guy who was known more for long passes to Lee Evans than much of anything else, he did make some decent throws in the short and intermediate game as well. He's my pick for "might've been good" had he been on a competent team with real leadership. Having his leg broken in training camp where there were often fights and generally out of control players doing their own thing pretty much speaks for itself. Coaching was putrid, and the organization was such a mess from the GM down. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tylerbillsfan33 Posted October 18, 2021 Share Posted October 18, 2021 On 10/16/2021 at 3:55 PM, BearNorth said: I sat through the forward lateral in a Skybox in BNA. Bills D played lights out. With Flutie, game would not have been close enough for it to matter. To think that Titans team was 2 feet from winning the Lombardi trophy. NFL really needs to have an rfid chip in every ball, and a grid built into the field for plays like this. Also Bills took 10 penalties in that game to 2 for the Titans, please don't tell me the fix wasn't in. That 1999 Titans team was actually two feet from tying the Super Bowl against the Rams and going to overtime but not winning the Super Bowl. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ticketssince61 Posted October 18, 2021 Share Posted October 18, 2021 On 10/17/2021 at 5:32 AM, atlbillsfan1975 said: Yep! I mentioned this last week in the Russell Wilson to miss starts and Geno Smith is his backup. When Todd came in and started for Washington after 10 years of never hearing a peep out of him, I almost gave myself whiplash. My head spun around to the TV and I was like no way that’s the same Todd Collins. Good for him. That was exactly my reaction: "Todd Collins is still in the league!". I also had no clue that Geno was still around 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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